Why are certain ethnicities more sensitive about ethnic jokes than others?

[classy]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: hevnsnt

Originally posted by: HomerJS
If black people couldn't take a joke, Chris Rock would not be so popular.

Sorry if this comes off wrong, but it seems to me that black people can only take a joke as long as it comes from another black person.

Lets see a white comedian go up there and use all kinds of vulgar slang in reference to other races..

Call Al Sharpton, we would have a KKK member.

There are plenty of white comedians that do "black jokes". I don'n know what you are talking about.

Ain't that the truth. Whites making movies and jokes stereo typing blacks have been done down through the ages. Everything from Watermelon Man to the way Archie Bunker was famous for his poking fun at blacks. By the way I love Archie Bunker . Most of these people here as usual have never even been to black comedy show and lie about watching Comic View which has had its fair share of whites making fun of blacks. Most black comedians routines mostly contain jokes and satire about blacks. I have as of yet in almost 20 years of going to in person and watching black standup comics can even remotely remember but a handful of times when anything was said that even approached true borderline type stuff concerning whites. Most of the time its jokes about typical family stuff.

 

[isasir]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
link to p&n thread?

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[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: classy
Another lie. Show me the transcript where any black comedian used the word cracker? Let alone 10,000 times.

Dave "free crack give-away" Chappel has said it several times. Enough times that I've been able to pick up on it, at least.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: isasir
Hey classy, I'd (seriously) be interested to hear your comments on the topic, since this thread spawned from a discussion you and I were having in that Al Sharpton thread in P&N.

I am not a politcally correct person. I believe it has destroyed our nation to be honest. Some stereotypes do border on factual type stuff and many are funny. It is nothing but a typical racist that would complain about jokes in movie or in a standup comic show. And you know really fuels my rage sometime, especially when I read the some of the dumb comments here, in the end whether you like it or not we have to get along. Because whether your Louis Farrakhan or Matthew Hale if your American no other country wants you. I believe in sports and comedy there is bridge the crosses race lines that I think is just sweet. Its a joke when I hear of a white person who has one bad experience with a black person and judges all blacks accordingly. If you can't laugh at stuff along racial lines you got problems. There is a difference at laughing at ghetto type stuff and being a racist. Same as there is a difference between making jokes about the white culture and standing there quoting Farrakhan. I got my white nephew who is always busting some black joke but its a joke nothing more or less. Joking can break down a lot of barriers.

 

[beyoku]

lol.. your fatal flaw was you were thinking of white business men. Instead picture white trailer trash.. Hmm.. Did your perceived stereotypes change?[/quote]

The fatal flaw is not seperating black people from criminals. I really dont use the term "trailer trash."


---"Yeah, remember in Rush Hour 2 Chris Tucker made a joke at Jacky that "You all look alike". It doesn't bother me at all but got me thinking what happened if a white/asian was the one who made that joke to a black person." ---

Was it spoke with Malicious intent? I do think that all races look the same to outside races. I can tell an African American from a - Haitian, a Cuban, a Dominican, an ethiopian, a nigerian, somalian ETC. I have Asian friends that can tell the difference between someone from - China, Japan, Vietnam, Laos, Thiland etc. BUT to the OUTSIDER as a group they "all look the same."
A chinese person may not be able to tell the differnce between someone from Spain, Italy, an irishman or a Jewish man - But your average New Yorker may.


--------Another lie. Show me the transcript where any black comedian used the word cracker? Let alone 10,000 times. --------

I think Chris Rock said "Cracker ass cracker" like 20 times. But he was Quoting his grandfather that was a doorman or something. if it was a true quote - im not sure. Other than that Black people really DONT and woulnt use a term like "Cracker" when doing comedy. That is an offensive term to whites. As a matter of fact i havent verbally heard the word for YEARS.

 

[dethman]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: jai6638
sorry to thread crap but ..

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We Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America, even
faring better than the whites and the natives.

There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,

* 38% of doctors in USA are Indians.

* 12% scientists in USA are Indians.

* 36% of NASA scientists are Indians.

* 34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.

* 28% of IBM employees are Indians.

* 17% of I! NTEL sci entists are Indians.

* 13% of XEROX employees are Indians.


Some of the following facts may be known to you. These facts were recently
published in a German magazine, which deals with WORLD HISTORY FACTS ABOUT
INDIA.


1. India never invaded any country in her last 1000 years of history.

2. India invented the Number system. Zero was invented by Aryabhatta.

3. The world's first University was established in Takshila in 700BC. More
than 10,500 students from all over the world
studied more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the
4th century BC was one of the greatest achievements
of ancient India in the field of education.

4. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most suitable language
for computer software.

5. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans.

6. Although western media portray modern images of India as poverty striken
and underdeveloped through political
corruption, India was once the richest empire on earth.

7. The art of navigation was born in the river Sindh 5000 years ago. The
very word "Navigation" is derived from the Sanskrit
word NAVGATIH.

8. The value of pi was first calculated by Budhayana, and he explained the
concept of what is now known as the Pythagorean
Theorem.British scholars have last year (1999) officially published that
Budhayan's works dates to the 6th Century which
is long before the European mathematicians.

9. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India. Quadratic equations
were by Sridharacharya in the 11th Century; the
largestnumbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Indians
used numbers as big as 53.

10. According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until! 1896, India
was the only source of diamonds to the world.

11. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old suspicion amongst
academics that the pioneer of wireless
communication was Professor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi.

12. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in Saurashtra.

13. Chess was invented in India.

14. Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health
scientists of his time conducted surgeries like cesareans,
cataract, fractures and urinary stones. Usage of anaesthesia was well
known in ancient India.

15. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest dwellers over
P00 years ago, Indians established Harappan
culture in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilisation).

16. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100
1/4.

"India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever
having to send a single soldier across her border" - Hu Shih (former Chinese
ambassador to USA)

click here for the whole thing

I dont mean to boast but look at the achievements of the indians above.. i bet now im gonna have people tell me like in the other forum that it reflects poorly on the condition of India as this results in a brain drain..

Man, I'm indian too, and you so took this thread WAY to seriously, which is the entire point. You're also a dumbass.

The point is, we can laugh about these stereotypes because we know that we have succes stories like what you've pointed out.

38% of doctors in the US are indian? that ridiculous factoid just invalidates the entire rest of the post you put up there...those statistics could have been made up from anywhere. 2 in 5 are indian. wtf are you smoking i want some.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: classy
Another lie. Show me the transcript where any black comedian used the word cracker? Let alone 10,000 times.

Dave "free crack give-away" Chappel has said it several times. Enough times that I've been able to pick up on it, at least.

LOL

Dave Chappel is the man. I can't recall him using cracker much at all. But I bet your @ss ain't all uptight when he uses n-bombs, which he uses frequently.

 

[BespinReactorShaft]

I'm sensitive only if the joke was made by those outside my own ethnicity.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: classy

I am not a politcally correct person. I believe it has destroyed our nation to be honest....If you can't laugh at stuff along racial lines you got problems.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::beer::beer::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: beyoku
lol.. your fatal flaw was you were thinking of white business men. Instead picture white trailer trash.. Hmm.. Did your perceived stereotypes change?

The fatal flaw is not seperating black people from criminals. I really dont use the term "trailer trash."


---"Yeah, remember in Rush Hour 2 Chris Tucker made a joke at Jacky that "You all look alike". It doesn't bother me at all but got me thinking what happened if a white/asian was the one who made that joke to a black person." ---

Was it spoke with Malicious intent? I do think that all races look the same to outside races. I can tell an African American from a - Haitian, a Cuban, a Dominican, an ethiopian, a nigerian, somalian ETC. I have Asian friends that can tell the difference between someone from - China, Japan, Vietnam, Laos, Thiland etc. BUT to the OUTSIDER as a group they "all look the same."
A chinese person may not be able to tell the differnce between someone from Spain, Italy, an irishman or a Jewish man - But your average New Yorker may.


--------Another lie. Show me the transcript where any black comedian used the word cracker? Let alone 10,000 times. --------

I think Chris Rock said "Cracker ass cracker" like 20 times. But he was Quoting his grandfather that was a doorman or something. if it was a true quote - im not sure. Other than that Black people really DONT and woulnt use a term like "Cracker" when doing comedy. That is an offensive term to whites. As a matter of fact i havent verbally heard the word for YEARS.[/quote]

Yea I remember that. Typically a black person will use profanity, but rarely ever use racial labels for people.

And yea before anybody says it, I know about the chinkopoly and the Tsunami song :roll:

 

[shilala]

I grew up next to an Indian doctor and his family. They lived two doors down.
Doc is one of the finest otolarngologists statewide, but he can't tie his own shoes.
He sounds exactly like Apu, and I still can't help but smile every time I hear him talk.
It's flat funny. It doesn't mean I think anything less of him, I have all the respect in the world for him, even if he talks goofy and smells like curry.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: ming2020
I'm sensitive only if the joke was made by those outside my own ethnicity.

You sound pretty limpwristed then. A real man will be able to take a joke no matter who made it.

I'm German/English/Irish. I can make jokes, and I can take jokes. I don't act like a delicate flower. What's funny is that when I busted some jokes on my own ethnicity in here, you still got some cracker ass crackers who got offended. They're just pu$$ies, there's really no other way to state it.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to my secret underground oppression rally.

 

[xospec1alk]

"A chinese person may not be able to tell the differnce between someone from Spain, Italy, an irishman or a Jewish man - But your average New Yorker may" ummm i would say that im an average new yorker, but i can't tell the difference between someone from spain, italy irishman, or jew....

so what exactly is an average new yorker, and why should they be able to tell?

 

Originally posted by: isasir
Well, let me get this out of the way first - I'm Indian. As such, on TV, Indians are generally taxi drivers or 7-11 owners with bad accents - not really the most pleasing of portrayals. Now, most of the Indians I know, really don't care too much about this negative stereotype on TV, unless you were to come directly to our faces and do make these comments. Hell, I think most Indians are guilty of imitating the same "Apu" accent at some point as a joke.

However, just the other day I heard on the radio that some members of the Italian community were making a big fuss about "Growing up Gotti" since it apparently portrays Italians poorly. If they were making a big fuss about it being a horrible show, that's one thing, but hell, they've also had issue with The Sopranos.

A lot of African Americans are also sensitive about any negative stereotypes portrayed about them.

For the most part, I've noticed that many caucasians aren't bothered by redneck/cracker etc. comments, at least not to a great extent.

I'm just wondering about theories why some groups on a whole seem more sensitive. One reason I figure is that, all communities have these people that of course have issues with these negative stereotypes. However, some just are better at getting media coverage for it.

Another theory I had was that some people are just comfortable with themselves and their ethnicity, that negative stereotypes don't really bother them. In my own case, most of my Indian friends, and myself, have turned out pretty successful. If some TV producer wants to show us as a cab driver, then that's fine, there's plenty of Indians that are cab drivers. Meanwhile, I'll work at my high paying job and just laugh along with everyone else and not give it much of a second thought next time I see an Indian cab driver on TV.

Wait until the economy goes really bad and there is an impending war, then your neighbor who smiled to you and made so-called jokes about your accent will suddenly show his true colors. Wait until that moment when stereotypes will be more than just words but actions. Wait until that moment when you'll be the first rounded up by people who uttered those words that you just shrugged off. Image is extremely important because it reflects the state of mind of your countrymen. Italians and Blacks have a much longer and incomparable history, with violence inflicted upon them and injustice done, in this country than Indians have and ever will. Take a similar situation to the West Indies (i.e., Indians with an old history in that region), and I doubt that Indians just shrug things off. Look at the tension in the parliament of Trinidad and Tobago. Racial tension, mind you that results in physical confontation sometimes. Indians are just as active and sensitive in that region. Oh, let's even look at another example: Do Indians in Indian just dismiss whatever the other tribes or castes think of them? People's perceptions in spite of how much they pretend or claim it to be a joke has every bit of truth implanted in their hearts. It is better to be safe than sorry. Desensitizing or changing people's belief system gradually is more effective than ignoring it until last minute when they decide to round you up.... I think it's a big mistake to make such generalization about each ethnic group. Every situation is contingent upon climate, history, experience and [past] interaction of all ethnic groups.

 

[xospec1alk]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: ming2020
I'm sensitive only if the joke was made by those outside my own ethnicity.

You sound pretty limpwristed then. A real man will be able to take a joke no matter who made it.

I'm German/English/Irish. I can make jokes, and I can take jokes. I don't act like a delicate flower. What's funny is that when I busted some jokes on my own ethnicity in here, you still got some cracker ass crackers who got offended. They're just pu$$ies, there's really no other way to state it.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to my secret underground oppression rally.

I agree, wtf is up with that?

 

[CPA]

Try being Polish.






Actually, I love a good polish joke. People who can't laugh at themselves or at their "ways" are way too uptight.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: DearQT
IWait until the economy goes really bad and there is an impending war, then your neighbor who smiled to you and made so-called jokes about your accent will suddenly show his true colors. Wait until that moment when stereotypes will be more than just words but actions. Wait until that moment when you'll be the first rounded up by people who uttered those words that you just shrugged off. Image is extremely important because it reflects the state of mind of your countrymen. Italians and Blacks have a much longer and incomparable history, with violence inflicted upon them and injustice done, in this country than Indians have and ever will. Take a similar situation to the West Indies (i.e., Indians with an old history in that region), and I doubt that Indians just shrug things off. Look at the tension in the parliament of Trinidad and Tobago. Racial tension, mind you that results in physical confontation sometimes. Indians are just as active and sensitive in that region. Oh, let's even look at another example: Do Indians in Indian just dismiss whatever the other tribes or castes think of them? People's perceptions in spite of how much they pretend or claim it to be a joke has every bit of truth implanted in their hearts. It is better to be safe than sorry. Desensitizing or changing people's belief system gradually is more effective than ignoring it until last minute when they decide to round you up.... I think it's a big mistake to make such generalization about each ethnic group. Every situation is contingent upon climate, history, experience and [past] interaction of all ethnic groups.

Are you advocating that everyone act like a limp-wristed PC-pansy? Because you'd be the first to go when the going gets tough.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: classy
Dave Chappel is the man. I can't recall him using cracker much at all. But I bet your @ss ain't all uptight when he uses n-bombs, which he uses frequently.

Yeah, he uses the N- word every-other word, like George Carlin uses the F- word every-other word. I have to say that Carlin is still way > Chappel though. (Not because he's white, but his comedy is just so much more well-refined.) And hey, Cosby is funny as all heck, without using either one of those words.

 

[chrisms]

Black people usually are most offended being made fun of in my experience. They probably have a right to be easily offended, though, after slavery followed by 100 more years of racism.

I don't think that is a racist statement, either. That is the truth. Take someone like Dave Chapelle and turn him into a white man, that show would never be on the air. If a white person made fun of black people as much as he makes fun of white people there would be riots.

While black people have a right to be offended, it needs to stop at some point. In entertainment I notice it's usually the black people making race jokes because they can get away with it (not jokes just about their race but about others as well). Everyone has a good laugh but the only thing that gets me is that if the tables were turned the white comedian would be called a bigot.

I remember once at my high school some girl wrote an editorial in the school newspaper that could be interpreted as slightly racist. I don't remember exactly what it was about, but I remember nobody really cared except for some black students (the article didn't say anything in particular about blacks). This girl had numerous threats against her made, and I could hear the daily yelling of the parents in the hallway demanding punishment. Now the paper is censored and the girl probably had a hell of a time through high school.

Let me add the disclaimer that I know ALL black people are like this, but in my personal experience I've seen it more out of that race than others.

 

[91TTZ]

Public Service Announcement to everyone- Stop Crying. If you can't take a joke, that is YOUR problem and nobody else's.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: ming2020
I'm sensitive only if the joke was made by those outside my own ethnicity.

I want you to think about this question, what if you know that person truly loves you?

Here's two examples.

Everybody remembers the OJ case right.

Well at that time me and my sweet wife who is a beautiful snowflake, lol, were dating. We were on the boardwalk in AC, we were horsing around about something and she starts hollering out "Ok just don't beat me". All these people start looking and man it was 3 white dudes looking over and I mean these boys were Hulking, no doubt I would have been in the hospital lol, I hollered over, look she's just teasing, one of them said Ok. But it was one of those OK don't make us come over type oks.

Another time, when were going in the house it was nightime, but it wasn't that damn dark and this goofy girl starts yelling "James where you at, smile for me so I can see you" I am like wtf.

A couple of years ago my Aunt died and we went to the funeral, it was her first "black" funeral, needless to say there was a lot jokes which followed after that. And trust me a black church funeral is an experience.

But man you gotta look at people's hearts instead of their color.

Also on a side note when my wife's step dad found out she was not only dating a black guy but was going to marry one, man he started with didn't she learn anything from OJ's wife. Man I ain't lying, lol. He is cool with me now and wouldn't trade me in, but he was upset in the beginning.

 

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Are you advocating that everyone act like a limp-wristed PC-pansy? Because you'd be the first to go when the going gets tough.

No, I'm simply saying that dismissing history and experience is a grave mistake. And there lies the error of comparing one people with a different experience or none to another people with a long history and experience. Jokes are fine but only with context. Making jokes to someone with whom memory lives of events surrounding the jokes and involving you is very hurtful. If someone, especially close to the perpetrator, makes a joke about some ex of yours with whom you built a complex relationship, pain, happiness, and everything else, would you be happy if it triggers bad memories and experience? It has nothing to do with being PC. I think people need to stop this silly lazy argument of classifying everything as PC. There's something in between the lines that goes beyond PC.

Whites have no such memory of minorities having persecuted them. Indians have no such memory within the boundaries of the United States, but they do outside the boundaries. And if you go to those Indians with memories of persecution, they'll have every bit of sensitivity just as Blacks and Italians do.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
"A chinese person may not be able to tell the differnce between someone from Spain, Italy, an irishman or a Jewish man - But your average New Yorker may" ummm i would say that im an average new yorker, but i can't tell the difference between someone from spain, italy irishman, or jew....

so what exactly is an average new yorker, and why should they be able to tell?

Maybe i said that like an ass but i had lived in Minnesota for a long time - childhood/teens up until 2002. From what i experienced in school/work/street. We (MN) narowed it down to the basics - Mongoloid, Caucazoid, Negroid -3 grouops. MN is not a very diverse place. The U of M is a divers campus - with exchange stundents and all but the workplace is pretty slim. Not until i got to the east cost and saw the diverity of NY did i meet people that specified that they were german, russian, or irish. Back home they may not have known or refered to themselves simply as "white." The people here basically said when you live amongst all these diverse people your community you get to know the culture and the featurs and can point out that thats a german or russian last name. People on the east hold a different value to thier culture as far as i have seen as compared to those in the Midwest that i have met. This was the "average New Yorker" thing i meant.
NY was the first time that i really met people that i would call "Black" that were not from africa and didnt speak english at all. ------I was walking around lost, and i saw a young black guy that seemed like he may know where the barber shop was. But only spoke spanish no english - i was like WTF??? Later i found out that he may have been Dominican. From what i have exp. most people in NY may have grown up around these things.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: DearQT
[No, I'm simply saying that dismissing history and experience is a grave mistake. And there lies the error of comparing one people with a different experience or none to another people with a long history and experience. Jokes are fine but only with context. Making jokes to someone with whom memory lives of events surrounding the jokes and involving you is very hurtful. If someone, especially close to the perpetrator, makes a joke about some ex of yours with whom you built a complex relationship, pain, happiness, and everything else, would you be happy if it triggers bad memories and experience? It has nothing to do with being PC. I think people need to stop this silly lazy argument of classifying everything as PC. There's something in between the lines that goes beyond PC.

Whites have no such memory of minorities having persecuted them. Indians have no such memory within the boundaries of the United States, but they do outside the boundaries. And if you go to those Indians with memories of persecution, they'll have every bit of sensitivity just as Blacks and Italians do.

You are acting WAYYY too sensitive. Being born in 1975, I'm not old enough to remember any slavery. Neither is anybody else in here. They're only sensitive from what their community tells them to believe. And in that case, it's their community's fault for hypersensitizing them.

Like I said, people need to stop acting like a delicate flower and grow a thicker skin. Stop crying about everything.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: beyoku
People on the east hold a different value to thier culture as far as i have seen as compared to those in the Midwest that i have met. This was the "average New Yorker" thing i meant.
NY was the first time that i really met people that i would call "Black" that were not from africa and didnt speak english at all. ------I was walking around lost, and i saw a young black guy that seemed like he may know where the barber shop was. But only spoke spanish no english - i was like WTF??? Later i found out that he may have been Dominican. From what i have exp. most people in NY may have grown up around these things.

I live about 70 miles from NY and over here we whites call ourselves cracker ass crackers. The person you talked to might have been a metrosexual. Need to watch out for those "types".