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Why are Barack Obama, Tiger Woods, etc. "black"?

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Originally posted by: Sqube
This thread delivered, IMO. Bill Cosby and Morgan Freeman have it spot on. The more we focus on words like the n-bomb and events like Black History Month, the harder it's going to be to get to a point where your skin tone has no extra connotations.

I'd also note that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton aren't openly and constantly supporting Obama. You know why? They've got power, but only as long as people perceive a shit-ton of racism in the country. Obama becoming president means they lose power. As sad as it is to say, there are black people who have a vested interest in racism. It means that they don't have to take as much responsibility for what happens because "the white man is holding me down" is much easier than "We have to come together, clean up the ghetto, and educate our children."

:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Deeko
Last time I checked, 'black' was a color, not a race. Tiger Woods and Barack Obama are very 'black'.

So this guy is also "very black"?

Nope.

Why? Is he not the same color as Woods and Obama?

Are you actually having a hard time with this, or are you trying to point out the ridiculousness? Either way, you need to just let it go and move on. In case you hadn't noticed, there isn't much in the way of logic when it comes to racial identification.
 
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Deeko
Last time I checked, 'black' was a color, not a race. Tiger Woods and Barack Obama are very 'black'.

So this guy is also "very black"?

Nope.

Why? Is he not the same color as Woods and Obama?

Obviously I'm oversimplifying it, but no, that guy isn't the same color.

It comes down to looks. Obama and Woods look 'black', be it the color, the race, whatever. So that's how they're classified. It isn't rocket science.
 
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Lothar
Because they're not "white".

exactly. if they looked white they wouldn't be called black.

anyways, i'm with Morgan Freeman on this,

Freeman has come out publicly against the celebration of Black History Month and does not participate in any related events, saying that "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history." He says the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he notes that there is no "white history month." Freeman once said on an interview with 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace: "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man".[7]
http://www.answers.com/topic/morgan-freeman

That's what I've been saying all along. The whole Black History Month concept only promotes black pride, which in turn breeds resentment toward white people.

only promotes black pride? lol, how about it educated people of all color about a VITAL part of our history that mostly gets left out the other 11 months out of the year. As for it causing there to be some resentment towards whites afterwards. SOME people MIGHT infact feel that, but the history is ugly so you can't blame them. But, I think the majority of people understand it's history and times are different now.

My GF's son is black/Irish/Panamanian/Native American mixed. He looks black and nothing else, he gets called blackie/n!!!er/darkie/black boy etc at school. If for one month out of the year he can feel some pride instead of asking me "why do they call me these names I don't understand?" (he's 13) and almost be in tears from getting picked on simply because he's black. He needs to feel like he's somebody, black history month is about as pathetic as Affirmative action, it's a DAMN shame we have to set aside a month/jobs for people of color, or they wouldn't get shit otherwise. But if for 29 days her son can feel a little better about being black, than I'm all for Black history month, but even with the month set aside he'll still get called a n!gger all month by idiots at his school.


 
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Lothar
Because they're not "white".

exactly. if they looked white they wouldn't be called black.

anyways, i'm with Morgan Freeman on this,

Freeman has come out publicly against the celebration of Black History Month and does not participate in any related events, saying that "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history." He says the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he notes that there is no "white history month." Freeman once said on an interview with 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace: "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man".[7]
http://www.answers.com/topic/morgan-freeman

That's what I've been saying all along. The whole Black History Month concept only promotes black pride, which in turn breeds resentment toward white people.

only promotes black pride? lol, how about it educated people of all color about a VITAL part of our history that mostly gets left out the other 11 months out of the year. As for it causing there to be some resentment towards whites afterwards. SOME people MIGHT infact feel that, but the history is ugly so you can't blame them. But, I think the majority of people understand it's history and times are different now.

My GF's son is black/Irish/Panamanian/Native American mixed. He looks black and nothing else, he gets called blackie/n!!!er/darkie/black boy etc at school. If for one month out of the year he can feel some pride instead of asking me "why do they call me these names I don't understand?" (he's 13) and almost be in tears from getting picked on simply because he's black. Than I'm all for Black history month, but even with the month set aside he'll still get called a n!gger all month by idiots at his school.

he will also get rediculous scholorships simply because of his skin color. How is that not also racism.

He really has it made, black AND native american.
 
Originally posted by: Casawi
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Lothar
Because they're not "white".

exactly. if they looked white they wouldn't be called black.

anyways, i'm with Morgan Freeman on this,

Freeman has come out publicly against the celebration of Black History Month and does not participate in any related events, saying that "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history." He says the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he notes that there is no "white history month." Freeman once said on an interview with 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace: "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man".[7]
http://www.answers.com/topic/morgan-freeman

That's what I've been saying all along. The whole Black History Month concept only promotes black pride, which in turn breeds resentment toward white people.

It's nice to hear a guy like Morgan Freeman say it. You'd hope it would sink in for other people being it's come from his mouth. Bill Cosby has a lot of good things to say about this subject too.

F8ck Bill Cosby and his loose the race attitude. How could people forget when only about 50 years ago that black people got some rights to get educated.
It takes generations and generations to build whats been lost IMO.
From what my roommate explained what Bill Cosby had to say about this issue, I lost all the respect for him.

You can't progress into the future while still living in the past. The only people that should be thinking about this is senior citizens that can actually remember it. It is so funny seeing little teenybopper young African Americans talking about whitey and holding a brotha down...

Until you have walked a mile in the shoes of someone that has experienced this you can talk, else STFU...
 
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Casawi
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Lothar
Because they're not "white".

exactly. if they looked white they wouldn't be called black.

anyways, i'm with Morgan Freeman on this,

Freeman has come out publicly against the celebration of Black History Month and does not participate in any related events, saying that "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history." He says the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he notes that there is no "white history month." Freeman once said on an interview with 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace: "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man".[7]
http://www.answers.com/topic/morgan-freeman

That's what I've been saying all along. The whole Black History Month concept only promotes black pride, which in turn breeds resentment toward white people.

It's nice to hear a guy like Morgan Freeman say it. You'd hope it would sink in for other people being it's come from his mouth. Bill Cosby has a lot of good things to say about this subject too.

F8ck Bill Cosby and his loose the race attitude. How could people forget when only about 50 years ago that black people got some rights to get educated.
It takes generations and generations to build whats been lost IMO.
From what my roommate explained what Bill Cosby had to say about this issue, I lost all the respect for him.

You can't progress into the future while still living in the past. The only people that should be thinking about this is senior citizens that can actually remember it. It is so funny seeing little teenybopper young African Americans talking about whitey and holding a brotha down...

Until you have walked a mile in the shoes of someone that has experienced this you can talk, else STFU...

Also annoys me when they call each other brothers. Two random black people are no more brothers to each other than I am to them.
 
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Casawi
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Lothar
Because they're not "white".

exactly. if they looked white they wouldn't be called black.

anyways, i'm with Morgan Freeman on this,

Freeman has come out publicly against the celebration of Black History Month and does not participate in any related events, saying that "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history." He says the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he notes that there is no "white history month." Freeman once said on an interview with 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace: "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man".[7]
http://www.answers.com/topic/morgan-freeman

That's what I've been saying all along. The whole Black History Month concept only promotes black pride, which in turn breeds resentment toward white people.

It's nice to hear a guy like Morgan Freeman say it. You'd hope it would sink in for other people being it's come from his mouth. Bill Cosby has a lot of good things to say about this subject too.

F8ck Bill Cosby and his loose the race attitude. How could people forget when only about 50 years ago that black people got some rights to get educated.
It takes generations and generations to build whats been lost IMO.
From what my roommate explained what Bill Cosby had to say about this issue, I lost all the respect for him.

You can't progress into the future while still living in the past. The only people that should be thinking about this is senior citizens that can actually remember it. It is so funny seeing little teenybopper young African Americans talking about whitey and holding a brotha down...

Until you have walked a mile in the shoes of someone that has experienced this you can talk, else STFU...

let me ask you a question, do you have an opinion on being held down mentally? I was dealing with a 13 year old today who basically didn't want to go to school because they were going to call him a n***er. No, he hasn't walked a mile in his grandma's shoes. He never got beat or fire hosed. But on a daily basis he's reminded in a not so nice way that's he's not white. How do you think that effects him mentally? He hasn't experinced the level of racism his Grandma/Grandpa did, but what he experinces is still far worse than anything I've ever had to deal with being white. And I would definitely say it effects him to a level where he feels he's being held down. There are days it's so bad for him at school when he see's me he looks at me with resentment and doesn't want to even talk to me because I'm white. And he loves me.

I'd say they have a right to talk about whitey, as a lot of white people really treat them like shit.
 
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Casawi
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Lothar
Because they're not "white".

exactly. if they looked white they wouldn't be called black.

anyways, i'm with Morgan Freeman on this,

Freeman has come out publicly against the celebration of Black History Month and does not participate in any related events, saying that "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history." He says the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he notes that there is no "white history month." Freeman once said on an interview with 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace: "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man".[7]
http://www.answers.com/topic/morgan-freeman

That's what I've been saying all along. The whole Black History Month concept only promotes black pride, which in turn breeds resentment toward white people.

It's nice to hear a guy like Morgan Freeman say it. You'd hope it would sink in for other people being it's come from his mouth. Bill Cosby has a lot of good things to say about this subject too.

F8ck Bill Cosby and his loose the race attitude. How could people forget when only about 50 years ago that black people got some rights to get educated.
It takes generations and generations to build whats been lost IMO.
From what my roommate explained what Bill Cosby had to say about this issue, I lost all the respect for him.

You can't progress into the future while still living in the past. The only people that should be thinking about this is senior citizens that can actually remember it. It is so funny seeing little teenybopper young African Americans talking about whitey and holding a brotha down...

Until you have walked a mile in the shoes of someone that has experienced this you can talk, else STFU...

let me ask you a question, do you have an opinion on being held down mentally? I was dealing with a 13 year old today who basically didn't want to go to school because they were going to call him a n***er. No, he hasn't walked a mile in his grandma's shoes. He never got beat or fire hosed. But on a daily basis he's reminded in a not so nice way that's he's not white. How do you think that effects him mentally? He hasn't experinced the level of racism his Grandma/Grandpa did, but what he experinces is still far worse than anything I've ever had to deal with being white. And I would definitely say it effects him to a level where he feels he's being held down. There are days it's so bad for him at school when he see's me he looks at me with resentment and doesn't want to even talk to me because I'm white. And he loves me.

I'd say they have a right to talk about whitey, as a lot of white people really treat them like shit.

Where are you from, if you don't mind my asking?

And no, the fact that some white people make the race look like shit does not mean that you can complain about all white people holding you down. Does not compute, fallacy of composition, etc.
 
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Lothar
Because they're not "white".

exactly. if they looked white they wouldn't be called black.

anyways, i'm with Morgan Freeman on this,

Freeman has come out publicly against the celebration of Black History Month and does not participate in any related events, saying that "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history." He says the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he notes that there is no "white history month." Freeman once said on an interview with 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace: "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man".[7]
http://www.answers.com/topic/morgan-freeman

That's what I've been saying all along. The whole Black History Month concept only promotes black pride, which in turn breeds resentment toward white people.

only promotes black pride? lol, how about it educated people of all color about a VITAL part of our history that mostly gets left out the other 11 months out of the year. As for it causing there to be some resentment towards whites afterwards. SOME people MIGHT infact feel that, but the history is ugly so you can't blame them. But, I think the majority of people understand it's history and times are different now.

My GF's son is black/Irish/Panamanian/Native American mixed. He looks black and nothing else, he gets called blackie/n!!!er/darkie/black boy etc at school. If for one month out of the year he can feel some pride instead of asking me "why do they call me these names I don't understand?" (he's 13) and almost be in tears from getting picked on simply because he's black. He needs to feel like he's somebody, black history month is about as pathetic as Affirmative action, it's a DAMN shame we have to set aside a month/jobs for people of color, or they wouldn't get shit otherwise. But if for 29 days her son can feel a little better about being black, than I'm all for Black history month, but even with the month set aside he'll still get called a n!gger all month by idiots at his school.


what kind of school does he go to that allows this harassment to go on? schools are big on their no-bullying policies. has his mother contacted and went in to speak with school officials about this? no child should have to put up with name calling and bullying. (and i noticed you used the word "whitey" a few posts down... so really that's not any better.)

you really think "Black History Month" gives your gf's child a break from the name calling and makes him feel a little better? i would think it would make it worse. those same brats who are calling him names will probably pick up on black history month and mock him more.

he needs to have pride instilled in him for being a strong young man, for his heritage, and for taking the high road... every single day, not just during black history month!
 
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
one drop rule pushed by whites was then adopted by the blacks because the more they identified themselves with skin color the more political power they got, and thats the mind set they've been pushing for a long time now. not seeing past race, but exploiting difference for power.

I feel sorry for you white people. It must be so hard for you always being oppressed by the powerful blacks.

Well it is harder for us to accomplish things since the blacks get handouts and have lower requirements on civil servant tests.
 
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Casawi
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Lothar
Because they're not "white".

exactly. if they looked white they wouldn't be called black.

anyways, i'm with Morgan Freeman on this,

Freeman has come out publicly against the celebration of Black History Month and does not participate in any related events, saying that "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history." He says the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he notes that there is no "white history month." Freeman once said on an interview with 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace: "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man".[7]
http://www.answers.com/topic/morgan-freeman

That's what I've been saying all along. The whole Black History Month concept only promotes black pride, which in turn breeds resentment toward white people.

It's nice to hear a guy like Morgan Freeman say it. You'd hope it would sink in for other people being it's come from his mouth. Bill Cosby has a lot of good things to say about this subject too.

F8ck Bill Cosby and his loose the race attitude. How could people forget when only about 50 years ago that black people got some rights to get educated.
It takes generations and generations to build whats been lost IMO.
From what my roommate explained what Bill Cosby had to say about this issue, I lost all the respect for him.

You can't progress into the future while still living in the past. The only people that should be thinking about this is senior citizens that can actually remember it. It is so funny seeing little teenybopper young African Americans talking about whitey and holding a brotha down...

Until you have walked a mile in the shoes of someone that has experienced this you can talk, else STFU...

let me ask you a question, do you have an opinion on being held down mentally? I was dealing with a 13 year old today who basically didn't want to go to school because they were going to call him a n***er. No, he hasn't walked a mile in his grandma's shoes. He never got beat or fire hosed. But on a daily basis he's reminded in a not so nice way that's he's not white. How do you think that effects him mentally? He hasn't experinced the level of racism his Grandma/Grandpa did, but what he experinces is still far worse than anything I've ever had to deal with being white. And I would definitely say it effects him to a level where he feels he's being held down. There are days it's so bad for him at school when he see's me he looks at me with resentment and doesn't want to even talk to me because I'm white. And he loves me.

I'd say they have a right to talk about whitey, as a lot of white people really treat them like shit.

In Riverside??? Yeah right. Everyone knows that only the South is racist...:roll:

Does he listen to modern day rap music or old school like NWA?

Explain to him what ignorant little shits they are. Kids are cruel and always pick on the different kid, whether they are fat, smell funny, are a different color or whatnot.
 
Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Originally posted by: CorCentral
Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Deeko
Last time I checked, 'black' was a color, not a race. Tiger Woods and Barack Obama are very 'black'.

So this guy is also "very black"?


No, he's Oriental.

Asian. You are using the wrong word, Oriental isn't used to describe people.

Why?
lol... whenever i hear the word "oriental" i think of old golf matches they play on the golf channel from time to time. "watch the wizardry of the orient in action as he tries to escape from this bunker."
 
Originally posted by: QueBert

let me ask you a question, do you have an opinion on being held down mentally? I was dealing with a 13 year old today who basically didn't want to go to school because they were going to call him a n***er. No, he hasn't walked a mile in his grandma's shoes. He never got beat or fire hosed. But on a daily basis he's reminded in a not so nice way that's he's not white. How do you think that effects him mentally? He hasn't experinced the level of racism his Grandma/Grandpa did, but what he experinces is still far worse than anything I've ever had to deal with being white. And I would definitely say it effects him to a level where he feels he's being held down. There are days it's so bad for him at school when he see's me he looks at me with resentment and doesn't want to even talk to me because I'm white. And he loves me.

I'd say they have a right to talk about whitey, as a lot of white people really treat them like shit.

I think there is some kind of failure of logic here. You are implying that because one child is picked on then an entire group of people (in this case, those identified as "black") are collectively "held down" by the group referred to as "white."

Here's a different example: My sister went to middle and high school at a school that was predominantly black (and changing to hispanic). She was picked on by the black and hispanic kids.

The question is, what, if anything do we do about it? Should my sister organize "white history month" activities? Should she get special scholarships because she was "repressed by the black man?"
 
Originally posted by: QueBert
let me ask you a question, do you have an opinion on being held down mentally? I was dealing with a 13 year old today who basically didn't want to go to school because they were going to call him a n***er. No, he hasn't walked a mile in his grandma's shoes. He never got beat or fire hosed. But on a daily basis he's reminded in a not so nice way that's he's not white. How do you think that effects him mentally? He hasn't experinced the level of racism his Grandma/Grandpa did, but what he experinces is still far worse than anything I've ever had to deal with being white. And I would definitely say it effects him to a level where he feels he's being held down. There are days it's so bad for him at school when he see's me he looks at me with resentment and doesn't want to even talk to me because I'm white. And he loves me.

I'd say they have a right to talk about whitey, as a lot of white people really treat them like shit.

yea, i don't buy that bolded statement, unless you live in the 50's or something.
 
Here is how the US Census defines races:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...nited_States_Census%29

I don't have a strong background in world history so maybe you guys can clarify something.

"Asian refers to people having origins in any of the original peoples of East Asia, South Asia, or Southeast Asia including, for example, Bangladesh, Cambodia, China, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan, Thailand, and Vietnam. It includes "Asian Indian," "Chinese", "Filipino", "Korean", "Japanese", "Taiwanese", "Vietnamese", and "Other Asian"."

Isn't that actually a couple different races there? And by race, I am of course speaking of genetic history. I'm really surprised that India and Pakistan are in there.
 
Originally posted by: Sqube
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Casawi
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Lothar
Because they're not "white".

exactly. if they looked white they wouldn't be called black.

anyways, i'm with Morgan Freeman on this,

Freeman has come out publicly against the celebration of Black History Month and does not participate in any related events, saying that "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history." He says the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he notes that there is no "white history month." Freeman once said on an interview with 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace: "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man".[7]
http://www.answers.com/topic/morgan-freeman

That's what I've been saying all along. The whole Black History Month concept only promotes black pride, which in turn breeds resentment toward white people.

It's nice to hear a guy like Morgan Freeman say it. You'd hope it would sink in for other people being it's come from his mouth. Bill Cosby has a lot of good things to say about this subject too.

F8ck Bill Cosby and his loose the race attitude. How could people forget when only about 50 years ago that black people got some rights to get educated.
It takes generations and generations to build whats been lost IMO.
From what my roommate explained what Bill Cosby had to say about this issue, I lost all the respect for him.

You can't progress into the future while still living in the past. The only people that should be thinking about this is senior citizens that can actually remember it. It is so funny seeing little teenybopper young African Americans talking about whitey and holding a brotha down...

Until you have walked a mile in the shoes of someone that has experienced this you can talk, else STFU...

let me ask you a question, do you have an opinion on being held down mentally? I was dealing with a 13 year old today who basically didn't want to go to school because they were going to call him a n***er. No, he hasn't walked a mile in his grandma's shoes. He never got beat or fire hosed. But on a daily basis he's reminded in a not so nice way that's he's not white. How do you think that effects him mentally? He hasn't experinced the level of racism his Grandma/Grandpa did, but what he experinces is still far worse than anything I've ever had to deal with being white. And I would definitely say it effects him to a level where he feels he's being held down. There are days it's so bad for him at school when he see's me he looks at me with resentment and doesn't want to even talk to me because I'm white. And he loves me.

I'd say they have a right to talk about whitey, as a lot of white people really treat them like shit.

Where are you from, if you don't mind my asking?

And no, the fact that some white people make the race look like shit does not mean that you can complain about all white people holding you down. Does not compute, fallacy of composition, etc.

San Diego CA, well Chula Vista to be exact. I don't want to make it sound like it's the entire school who treats him like that, but it's enough to where it's more than just something you tell a person "try to ignore it" WHat you don't realize about it not computing is you haven't been on ther receiving end. If 10 people fuck with a dog constantly, and you come along as number 11 and try to pet the dog, he's going to bite you. Racism sinks in hard, and a lot of people who are subject to it on a daily basic can't just forget about it. So a lot of good white people become that "cracker ass who is trying to oppress me" not saying it's right, but it's a fact of life.
 
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Sqube
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Casawi
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Lothar
Because they're not "white".

exactly. if they looked white they wouldn't be called black.

anyways, i'm with Morgan Freeman on this,

Freeman has come out publicly against the celebration of Black History Month and does not participate in any related events, saying that "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history." He says the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he notes that there is no "white history month." Freeman once said on an interview with 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace: "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man".[7]
http://www.answers.com/topic/morgan-freeman

That's what I've been saying all along. The whole Black History Month concept only promotes black pride, which in turn breeds resentment toward white people.

It's nice to hear a guy like Morgan Freeman say it. You'd hope it would sink in for other people being it's come from his mouth. Bill Cosby has a lot of good things to say about this subject too.

F8ck Bill Cosby and his loose the race attitude. How could people forget when only about 50 years ago that black people got some rights to get educated.
It takes generations and generations to build whats been lost IMO.
From what my roommate explained what Bill Cosby had to say about this issue, I lost all the respect for him.

You can't progress into the future while still living in the past. The only people that should be thinking about this is senior citizens that can actually remember it. It is so funny seeing little teenybopper young African Americans talking about whitey and holding a brotha down...

Until you have walked a mile in the shoes of someone that has experienced this you can talk, else STFU...

let me ask you a question, do you have an opinion on being held down mentally? I was dealing with a 13 year old today who basically didn't want to go to school because they were going to call him a n***er. No, he hasn't walked a mile in his grandma's shoes. He never got beat or fire hosed. But on a daily basis he's reminded in a not so nice way that's he's not white. How do you think that effects him mentally? He hasn't experinced the level of racism his Grandma/Grandpa did, but what he experinces is still far worse than anything I've ever had to deal with being white. And I would definitely say it effects him to a level where he feels he's being held down. There are days it's so bad for him at school when he see's me he looks at me with resentment and doesn't want to even talk to me because I'm white. And he loves me.

I'd say they have a right to talk about whitey, as a lot of white people really treat them like shit.

Where are you from, if you don't mind my asking?

And no, the fact that some white people make the race look like shit does not mean that you can complain about all white people holding you down. Does not compute, fallacy of composition, etc.

San Diego CA, well Chula Vista to be exact. I don't want to make it sound like it's the entire school who treats him like that, but it's enough to where it's more than just something you tell a person "try to ignore it" WHat you don't realize about it not computing is you haven't been on ther receiving end. If 10 people fuck with a dog constantly, and you come along as number 11 and try to pet the dog, he's going to bite you. Racism sinks in hard, and a lot of people who are subject to it on a daily basic can't just forget about it. So a lot of good white people become that "cracker ass who is trying to oppress me" not saying it's right, but it's a fact of life.

That's why white people are so afraid of black people. We're always worried that we might be the 11th beloved patriot.
 
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Casawi
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Lothar
Because they're not "white".

exactly. if they looked white they wouldn't be called black.

anyways, i'm with Morgan Freeman on this,

Freeman has come out publicly against the celebration of Black History Month and does not participate in any related events, saying that "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history." He says the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he notes that there is no "white history month." Freeman once said on an interview with 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace: "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man".[7]
http://www.answers.com/topic/morgan-freeman

That's what I've been saying all along. The whole Black History Month concept only promotes black pride, which in turn breeds resentment toward white people.

It's nice to hear a guy like Morgan Freeman say it. You'd hope it would sink in for other people being it's come from his mouth. Bill Cosby has a lot of good things to say about this subject too.

F8ck Bill Cosby and his loose the race attitude. How could people forget when only about 50 years ago that black people got some rights to get educated.
It takes generations and generations to build whats been lost IMO.
From what my roommate explained what Bill Cosby had to say about this issue, I lost all the respect for him.

You can't progress into the future while still living in the past. The only people that should be thinking about this is senior citizens that can actually remember it. It is so funny seeing little teenybopper young African Americans talking about whitey and holding a brotha down...

Until you have walked a mile in the shoes of someone that has experienced this you can talk, else STFU...

let me ask you a question, do you have an opinion on being held down mentally? I was dealing with a 13 year old today who basically didn't want to go to school because they were going to call him a n***er. No, he hasn't walked a mile in his grandma's shoes. He never got beat or fire hosed. But on a daily basis he's reminded in a not so nice way that's he's not white. How do you think that effects him mentally? He hasn't experinced the level of racism his Grandma/Grandpa did, but what he experinces is still far worse than anything I've ever had to deal with being white. And I would definitely say it effects him to a level where he feels he's being held down. There are days it's so bad for him at school when he see's me he looks at me with resentment and doesn't want to even talk to me because I'm white. And he loves me.

I'd say they have a right to talk about whitey, as a lot of white people really treat them like shit.

In Riverside??? Yeah right. Everyone knows that only the South is racist...:roll:

Does he listen to modern day rap music or old school like NWA?

Explain to him what ignorant little shits they are. Kids are cruel and always pick on the different kid, whether they are fat, smell funny, are a different color or whatnot.


there's a difference with these "ignorant little shits" and the ones I had to deal with in school. I was made fun on constantly in elementary school because I have red hair, the kids who did this weren't told by their parents "son, you should talk bad about red heads" Even if it's only 50 kids out of 500 at his school who've called him the N word, most it not all were taught that by their parents. And he's smart enough to know they learned it from their parents, so effectively the parents are ignorant little shits in his head. The first time he was called it, he had never heard the word, I think he was 6, but he knew it wasn't good. And that is what makes it so much more damaging than calling somebody fat or a red headed step child.
 
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: QueBert


exactly. if they looked white they wouldn't be called black.

anyways, i'm with Morgan Freeman on this,

Freeman has come out publicly against the celebration of Black History Month and does not participate in any related events, saying that "I don't want a black history month. Black history is American history." He says the only way to end racism is to stop talking about it, and he notes that there is no "white history month." Freeman once said on an interview with 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace: "I am going to stop calling you a white man and I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man".[7]
http://www.answers.com/topic/morgan-freeman

That's what I've been saying all along. The whole Black History Month concept only promotes black pride, which in turn breeds resentment toward white people.

It's nice to hear a guy like Morgan Freeman say it. You'd hope it would sink in for other people being it's come from his mouth. Bill Cosby has a lot of good things to say about this subject too.

F8ck Bill Cosby and his loose the race attitude. How could people forget when only about 50 years ago that black people got some rights to get educated.
It takes generations and generations to build whats been lost IMO.
From what my roommate explained what Bill Cosby had to say about this issue, I lost all the respect for him.
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You can't progress into the future while still living in the past. The only people that should be thinking about this is senior citizens that can actually remember it. It is so funny seeing little teenybopper young African Americans talking about whitey and holding a brotha down...

Until you have walked a mile in the shoes of someone that has experienced this you can talk, else STFU...[/quote]

let me ask you a question, do you have an opinion on being held down mentally? I was dealing with a 13 year old today who basically didn't want to go to school because they were going to call him a n***er. No, he hasn't walked a mile in his grandma's shoes. He never got beat or fire hosed. But on a daily basis he's reminded in a not so nice way that's he's not white. How do you think that effects him mentally? He hasn't experinced the level of racism his Grandma/Grandpa did, but what he experinces is still far worse than anything I've ever had to deal with being white. And I would definitely say it effects him to a level where he feels he's being held down. There are days it's so bad for him at school when he see's me he looks at me with resentment and doesn't want to even talk to me because I'm white. And he loves me.

I'd say they have a right to talk about whitey, as a lot of white people really treat them like shit.
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In Riverside??? Yeah right. Everyone knows that only the South is racist...:roll:

Does he listen to modern day rap music or old school like NWA?

Explain to him what ignorant little shits they are. Kids are cruel and always pick on the different kid, whether they are fat, smell funny, are a different color or whatnot.[/quote]


there's a difference with these "ignorant little shits" and the ones I had to deal with in school. I was made fun on constantly in elementary school because I have red hair, the kids who did this weren't told by their parents "son, you should talk bad about red heads" Even if it's only 50 kids out of 500 at his school who've called him the N word, most it not all were taught that by their parents. And he's smart enough to know they learned it from their parents, so effectively the parents are ignorant little shits in his head. The first time he was called it, he had never heard the word, I think he was 6, but he knew it wasn't good. And that is what makes it so much more damaging than calling somebody fat or a red headed step child.[/quote]
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My response (tried not to nest all these quotes):
maybe you didn't read what i posted. has your gf contacted the school? this shouldn't be allowed to go on in the school.
 
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