Do you ever have anything real to say? I've been scowering that post for facts or any statement devoid of fiction and rhetoric, and I can't find a single one.
Seems we joined the same month... Must have been a good month...
Let me clear up something though I am not a teenager at all. Invading Iraq is in the interest of the long term interest of the United states regardless of WMD. To put it in black and white several of those countries have declared war on us but the problem is that many people in the US cant see it because they cant understand that there are a lot of people over there that hate us no matter what we do. The Liberal is the biggest threat to extrem Islam as they promote many of the ideals they point out as a threat to Islam. Until you understand their culture I don't think you can understand them. There are people over there that would kill you over there. They have been raised from birth to hate you. They don't care about your thoughts only that you come from a country whose beliefs threaten their religion.
Iraq was a threat . . . the lie was the extent.
America wants to liberate Iraqis from Saddam . . . the lie was calling it the reason for Operation Iraqi Freedom instead of a side effect.
America wanted an international coalition . . . the lie was calling it a coalition based on merit of the cause.
America announced an international coalition . . . the lie was calling it popular support and agreement instead of heads of state willing to ignore the citizens they serve.
Bush believes the UN is relevent . . . the lie was implying it is relevent outside of Bush admin desires.
Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld . . . and regrettably Colin Powell call Saddam a despot deserving of overthrow . . . the lie is implying he's the worst of the current or comparable to a Stalin, Mao, Pot, or Hitler.
Try again.
The continued spreading of lies and misinformation by people about the US and it's intentions in Iraq will only encourage the terrorists. I'm not saying that people should not disagree with a policy but they should use care in their attacks to insure that they are truthful and relevant.
I started this thread to display what I felt was hyprocrosy on the part of the Arab countries saying that they want Iraq to have a government that represents the people of Iraq right after they had done everything they could to hamper that very thing from happening.
A select few on this board took it upon themselves to turn it into a "Let's bash the US" thread with the often repeated by weak arguement that the US defied the UN. That is debateable and is not a fact yet no hint of the legal questions shows in your posts.
Is war with Iraq legal?
But, once again you have steered a thread onto the topic that you wish to discuss of how evil the US is in your minds instead of staying on the topic of the thread. There is a word for people that do that.
Do the Arab countries want the new government of Iraq to fail?
The continued spreading of lies and misinformation by people about the US and it's intentions in Iraq will only encourage the terrorists. I'm not saying that people should not disagree with a policy but they should use care in their attacks to insure that they are truthful and relevant.
I started this thread to display what I felt was hyprocrosy on the part of the Arab countries saying that they want Iraq to have a government that represents the people of Iraq right after they had done everything they could to hamper that very thing from happening.
A select few on this board took it upon themselves to turn it into a "Let's bash the US" thread with the often repeated by weak arguement that the US defied the UN. That is debateable and is not a fact yet no hint of the legal questions shows in your posts.
Is war with Iraq legal?
But, once again you have steered a thread onto the topic that you wish to discuss of how evil the US is in your minds instead of staying on the topic of the thread. There is a word for people that do that.
Do the Arab countries want the new government of Iraq to fail?
The Arab world is in a world of hurt right now. What they looked at as the most powerfull and best army in the Arab world, only to find out it was just a house of cards with the Army full of Arabs that would not or could not fight. Now they only know one way and that is to use suicide bombers.
They have no concience and no morals, just look at what is happening in Iran right now with the Sunni Mosque. They are a vile and imnoral people and do not deserve the time of day, this is reason enough to invade Iraq.
Bleep
They have no concience and no morals, just look at what is happening in Iran right now with the Sunni Mosque. They are a vile and imnoral people and do not deserve the time of day, this is reason enough to invade Iraq.
Bleep
There is no new government in Iraq . . . there's no government! The State Dept and DOD/Cheney basically waged a pitched battle over which group of dissidents should rule Iraq. Our government calls that regime change . . . the Middle East justifiably calls that rule by decree NOT consent.
The immediate civilian authority will be a former US general who will beg Iraqi civilian authorities to legitimize his rule.
The next phase will be 'selected' Iraqi authorities operating under the direct supervision/consent of either Garner or his replacement.
The next phase will be an elected Parliament where the US will determine acceptable candidates and parties.
Then if it all works out they might elect a PM or president . . . from acceptable candidates from acceptable parties.
There's no guarantee that a UN-brokered process would be successful at deposing Saddam much less providing for a sustainable democracy afterwards. But anyone that believes a US-controlled process (which essentially ignores the concerns of native Iraqis and neighboring countries) will be an unqualified success is delusional.
The immediate civilian authority will be a former US general who will beg Iraqi civilian authorities to legitimize his rule.
The next phase will be 'selected' Iraqi authorities operating under the direct supervision/consent of either Garner or his replacement.
The next phase will be an elected Parliament where the US will determine acceptable candidates and parties.
Then if it all works out they might elect a PM or president . . . from acceptable candidates from acceptable parties.
There's no guarantee that a UN-brokered process would be successful at deposing Saddam much less providing for a sustainable democracy afterwards. But anyone that believes a US-controlled process (which essentially ignores the concerns of native Iraqis and neighboring countries) will be an unqualified success is delusional.
My dear Canook, neither are you son, neither are you.
BBD, you present the worst as if it is the only outcome or what the US is striving for. Do you really hope that is the outcome, it seems that you do just so your dislike for Bush is justified.
That's sad.
There are so many people working against the future of Iraq now. I hope they don't get what they are wishing for.
Yes . . . indeed I present a less than perfect scenario b/c it is more realistic given the variables. If the Bush admin had an inkling of how to work as a partner with the rest of the world in solving the world's problems . . . I might give Bush et al a more positive review. I give a Bush a fighting chance of recreating the South during Reconstruction.
And for the last time . . . I don't dislike Bush I just hate is policies. I may on occasion let a personal attack slip through but it's purely incidental . . . I despise the man's policies NOT the man. His policies will not cause the downfall of human decency - Clinton beat him to it
Contrary to popular (albeit ignorant) belief, we are all more alike than different . . . and if this is Bush's idea of being a uniter not a divider then the future of our nation and world is destined to be anything but peaceful or productive.
Why can you not invision an Iraq similar to Turkey, Iran, Jordan, or Egypt? All would be considered an improvement over the previous regime but only one is truly democratic . . . democratic enough to reject the will of the US government
I want Iraq to be a success but I want them to be a success on their terms b/c that's the only way their success can be sustained. Iraqis did not invest in Saddam's regime, he just took whatever he wanted . . . his will was law. The current American occupation is EXACTLY the same MO . . . we just promise to be more humane in our rule. Better than Saddam? DEFINITELY. Sustainable? UNLIKELY.
You are quite right that many people are working against the Bush admin vision for Iraq. Many from within and many from outside . . . why not marshall your allies from all segments to build on what can be agreed upon? Why insist that our vision for Iraq . . . which we were too chickenshyte to talk about 2 months ago . . . is the only path to success?
An Iraq at peace with its peaceable neighbors and ruled by elected leaders should be everyone's goal. The process for getting there will require enormous coordination and significant sacrifices by ALL who wish to be involved. Do you think that's the message being projected by the Bush admin?
You are saying the same thing that Pres. Bush has said on many occasions.
Iraq will belong to the Iraqis. The war has just ended and already you are condemning the outcome of the Iraqi government.
It doesn't matter what the US does. Some people will find a way to twist it to their own propaganda ends.
Iraq will belong to the Iraqis. The war has just ended and already you are condemning the outcome of the Iraqi government.
It doesn't matter what the US does. Some people will find a way to twist it to their own propaganda ends.
Yes but I mean it . . . it's much easier to say what you mean when there are no consequences. Bush says what's written for him . . . and when questioned about inconsistencies he repeats what's written for him.
Blair: There will be a leading role for the UN in Iraq. Translation: Whatever the international community can agree to do.
Bush: There will be a significant role for the UN in Iraq. Translation: Whatever we let them do.
Of course the country belongs to them . . . that's why they raided the museum, hospitals, and schools. And in case you didn't get the memo . . . there is NO government in Iraq. We've imported some sloppy seconds which the State Dept was calling wholly unreliable last year . . . to lead a country they left long ago.
The former is false the latter is true. It does matter what the US does and HOW it does it. Hopefully, no one in power is ignorant enough to believe that dragging their feet on humanitarian aid or reconstituting civilian infrastructure doesn't carry a good faith penalty. If we find ZERO chem/bio weapons but within 6 months Iraqi reconstruction is humming along as French, German, Russian, and American firms work and the UN coordinates humanitarian relief . . . then even a false premise will become mute. On the otherhand, if predominantly US firms are jockeying for funds from the UN Oil for Food Program, Iraqi oil is shipped only through Jordan and Kuwait (coalition partners), and the leadership of Iraq is still an American ProConsul . . . then we will be verifying the propaganda as truth. Even the blatant lies will seem more credible.
Auspicious beginnings
Ahmad Chalabi, the high-profile leader favored by the Pentagon (news - web sites), has said he will not attend the meeting in the southern city of Nassiriya but will send a representative instead. And Iraq (news - web sites)'s main Shi'ite Muslim opposition group has decided to boycott the meeting altogether.
Mohsen Hakim, spokesman for the Iran-based Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, told Reuters from Tehran, "... we can't hope for much from this meeting."
Division and discord run deep among Iraqi opposition groups but British Brigadier General Tim Cross, the top British official in postwar Iraq, sees one thing uniting all:
"I think they want us to leave as quickly as possible. They want to be responsible for their own country again."
Ahmad Chalabi, the high-profile leader favored by the Pentagon (news - web sites), has said he will not attend the meeting in the southern city of Nassiriya but will send a representative instead. And Iraq (news - web sites)'s main Shi'ite Muslim opposition group has decided to boycott the meeting altogether.
Mohsen Hakim, spokesman for the Iran-based Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, told Reuters from Tehran, "... we can't hope for much from this meeting."
Division and discord run deep among Iraqi opposition groups but British Brigadier General Tim Cross, the top British official in postwar Iraq, sees one thing uniting all:
"I think they want us to leave as quickly as possible. They want to be responsible for their own country again."
The French and Germans hate being shot at but are dying to do something . . . so tell them to come on over and turn the water/power back on. Let the Russians help with security . . . I'm sure even a Saddam loyalist will discern the difference between shooting at Americans and shooting at Russians. Russians don't even like their own Muslims.
Considering how Russia treats their Muslims we shpouldn't invite disaster by letting them help.
Why not let the UN come in and turn the power and water on? Look at Kosovo, it's only been 3 years since some towns lost power, should be up ANY DAY, lol.
Look at Haiti, the US goes in with force and restores a democratically elected leader, then turns the reins over to the UN. What has happened since?
Why don't the french, Germans, and Russinas spearhead the removal of UN sanctions? That has been their position ever since Saddam started showering them with money in 1996. The people of Iraq are still there and sufering because of sanctions, yet now all they care about is how to get in on making some money off them, fvck them already.
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