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Ronstang

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Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe
Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: tec699
I think the more people that come into this great country the better! Other people don't have the same attitude though. I think the midwest states are not as open to immigrants as we are here on the east coast. But hopefully that will change as more immigrants, specifically Mexicans, start to expand into states that are pretty much white only.

So I say embrace the next wave of immigrants because the only people that are true Americans are the Native Americans.

:)

because the mexicans normally come here illegally, and then live off of the govt.

MIKE


Most do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do.

How many young adults are going to look for work as a blueberry picker? Let me think... the answer would be ZERO!
One of my first jobs was as a drywall installer. Try to get a job on a drywall or insulation crew around here.

The whole "jobs we don't want" is BS.

They devalue wages.

They are a drain on the schools. My daughters kindergarten class was split into two groups because almost half the kids couldn't speak english.

I could go on and on but I would just be called a bigot even though I'm all for larger legal immigration.


I agree and I will also just stop now before the trolls with no constructive input just label me a bigot and a racist as that is their only weapon because facts and data elude them.
 

BriGy86

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Originally posted by: aplefka
Originally posted by: jewno
Originally posted by: tec699
I think the more people that come into this great country the better! Other people don't have the same attitude though. I think the midwest states are not as open to immigrants as we are here on the east coast. But hopefully that will change as more immigrants, specifically Mexicans, start to expand into states that are pretty much white only.

So I say embrace the next wave of immigrants because the only people that are true Americans are the Native Americans.

:)

I did a literature research on immigration. Want me to post my paper?

Please do.

agreed :thumbsup:
 

tec699

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Originally posted by: Amused
I don't fear any immigrants.

I am, however, disgusted by ones who come here and leach off our system, and/or raise our crime rates.

If they work and obey the law, more power to them. I welcome them with open arms.

true. I feel the same way.
 

Juno

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Abolish Laws on Immigrants Coming to America
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As Korean immigrants, my parents sought out better opportunities, which was their top priority. Today, many immigrants come to America to keep their hope alive. That reminds me of my parents who came to America in 1983 for that kind of hope. Better opportunities helped my parents succeed. Before the September 11th terrorist attacks, millions of immigrants came to America. However, the since the September 11th attacks, President George W. Bush and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice have set restrictions on the numbers of immigrants coming to America. The security of the immigration system was maximized, which limited immigrants? hopes of coming to America. As a college student, I believe that America should bend its restrictions to allow immigrants, regardless of race and religion, to go on an odyssey to fulfill their dreams.

The reason why people immigrate is to seek better opportunity, freedom, safety and economic stability. That makes America look good. Increasing numbers of immigrants, both illegal and legal, have been coming to America since 1940. The number of immigrants coming to America between 1940 and 1970 did show a slight change. The statistics of immigrants the 0.9 million coming to America in the 1940s, 2.5 million in the 1950s, 3.2 million in the 1960s, 4.3 million in the 1970s, 6.3 million and 10 million in the following decades. In 1970, it began to surge. The percentage increased from 4.8 to 8.7 of the population from 1970 to 1994. Profiles have changed since 1950. ?In the 1950s, two thirds of a much smaller number came from Europe and Canada? (Samuelson 2). Thirty years later, half of the immigrants came from Mexico and almost 40 percent came from Asia. Today, the problem is that the immigrants lack of English knowledge when they come to America. So far, the statistics show that the top three states where most immigrants settled are California, 40%, Texas, 14%, and New York, 11%. A research group from Rand Corporation claims that each area tends to be dominated by one race. Cubans immigrate to Miami, ?people from the Caribbean and Central America flock to New York City? (Clark 2) and Asians boost Seattle into one of the largest cities in the United States.

Seeking better opportunities is the most important reason why immigrants came to America. An example is a Mexican immigrant named Ana (not a real name) who came to America illegally. She began to work as a laundrywoman and received a small amount of money. Over the years, she moved through the ranks from laundrywoman to maid to a successful broker. In 2000, she made $50,000 off the books and it was tax exempt. Ana showed a lot of effort to make money to take care of her children in Mexico. Today, Ana is able to afford something many wealthy Americans can afford, such as sixty pairs of shoes being stored in her closet and videos filling the shelves in her apartment. ?Mexico is a strange country to me now,? she recalls, ?New York is my gold mine? (Zarembo 3). Vietnamese-dominated Falls Church, Virginia, is another example. Norman Ebonstein takes the credit for opening opportunities to Vietnamese immigrants a decade ago and today, Falls Church, Virginia has ?the largest Vietnamese shopping center in the United States? (Clark 2). Immigrants find a prime destination where they feel comfortable to settle in.

Freedom is what most immigrants are looking for. In the wake of the September 11th attacks, immigrants of the Middle East were afraid they might lose their hopes of coming to America. The 1996 immigration law in America became tighter by forcing foreign visitors, students and workers to have ?their fingerprints digitally scanned when applying for their visas, scanned again when entering the country, and again upon departure? (Krikorian 2). That would make the foreign visitors guests in America. Many foreign students as well as university spokesmen argued about the 1996 immigration law, saying they didn?t feel like they were warm by welcomed. They have claimed this as ?unfair? or ?discriminatory? (Krikorian 3). Legal immigrants were required to notify the Immigration and Naturalization Service annually of their whereabouts. However, it was discontinued in 1981, which allowed illegal immigrants to immigrate to America. Freedom is wide open to immigrants: ?almost 900,000 people began the year as foreigners and ended it as Americans? (Krikorian 4). More than 31 million foreign-born people have been admitted to America and at least 60% of them are non-citizens. Immigrants also are looking for safety. Muslims, for example, arrived in America to escape from religious or political persecution. Many people from countries such as Iran, Pakistan, India, Lebanon, Kuwait, Somalia, Afghanistan and Sudan have fled to America to become free from revolutions.

Immigrants help to improve the economy in America. According to a new case study by Rand Corporation, a research group found that one reason why immigrants have come to America has been to seek for wealth in America. A study revealed that the ?wages for European immigrants who arrived in the late 1970s were 10 percent above those of American-born workers? (Samuelson 2) and 15 percent higher for Asian immigrants. Immigrants tend to start off with small businesses and the immigrants from small businesses become entrepreneurs. Indian-born Niranjan ?Nick? Patel arrived in Houston to start a small business. Mr. Patel, a leading Royal Oak Bank borrower, ?buys and develops the properties for these newcomers? (Kotkin 2) who immigrated to Houston, Texas over the past 10 years. He now occupies ?roughly 60% of the businesses in his over 30 suburban properties? (Kotkin 2). Patel handles the businesses and improves economy by convincing customers to spend their money on Patel?s businesses. Usually, immigrants want to become Americans by settling down in suburbia. Immigrants bring the avant-garde ideas and pioneering spirit to America. This boosts in immigrants giving ?America an economic edge in the world economy? (Griswold 1). Restricting immigrants will not help America to improve their economy.

Opponents argue that American-born employees have lost their jobs to immigrants. Opponents also complain that admitting immigrants could surprise America when the immigrants turn out to be terrorists that put America in danger. These problems are the issues in America today. However, I oppose these perspectives. I believe that America should admit as many immigrants as they can but with the understanding that America needs to review immigrants? background information to prevent danger to America. America doesn?t need to worry about terrorists because America has their own terrorists as well as criminals. The employees who lost jobs to immigrants were mostly employees who demanded high salaried wage jobs instead of minimum wage jobs. That might be the answer; American-born employees lost their jobs to immigrants because the immigrants want to work and don?t demand high salaries. Foreigners are willing to get jobs done that most Americans don?t.

These are the pros and cons between denying admitting foreigners to America or admitting foreigners to America. This argument has been going on since the September 11th attacks. Even though America has been providing foreigners with benefits as such better opportunities, freedom, safety and economic stability, Americans shouldn?t complain about the economy. I don?t think America regrets admitting so many immigrants. In the past 20 years, America has done a stunning job by admitting at least 15 million immigrants. If I worked for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, I would admit as many foreigners to America as I could, but I would be aware of their background information. Americans should stop complain about foreigners coming to America because all American-born people came from immigrants who immigrated to America earlier. As a son of Korean immigrants, I admire my parents for striving to have better opportunities that I?ve been raised with. My parents sought to escape from poverty to build their financial future. They are now having a good life together since they immigrated to America.



Works Cited

Clark, Charles S. ?The New Immigrants.? CQ Researcher.
Griswold, Daniel T. ?Restricting Immigration Will Not Make America Safer.? Opposing Viewpoints.
Kotkin, Joel. ?Immigration Benefits the Economy.? Wall Street Journal 17, January 2002: p. A14.
Krikorian, Mark. ?Antiterrorist Policies Do Not Jeopardize Immigrants? Civil Rights.? Opposing Viewpoints.
Masci, David. ?Debate Over Immigraion.? CQ Researcher.
Samuelson, Robert J. ?Immigration and poverty.? Newsweek 15 July 1996: Vol. 128 Issue 3.
Smith, Jane. ?The Arrival of Muslim Immigrants in America.? Islam in America 1999.
Zarembo, Alan. ?An American Dream.? Newsweek 10 Sept. 2001: Vol. 138 Issue 11.
 

KarenMarie

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Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: tec699
I think the more people that come into this great country the better! Other people don't have the same attitude though. I think the midwest states are not as open to immigrants as we are here on the east coast. But hopefully that will change as more immigrants, specifically Mexicans, start to expand into states that are pretty much white only.

So I say embrace the next wave of immigrants because the only people that are true Americans are the Native Americans.

:)

because the mexicans normally come here illegally, and then live off of the govt.

MIKE


Most do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do.

How many young adults are going to look for work as a blueberry picker? Let me think... the answer would be ZERO!

that is the biggest crock...

who was doing these jobs before the illegals came over and took them?

High School Students, College Students, LEGAL ppl without any other job skills, ppl looking for a second part time job...etc...

then the illegals came and took the jobs for less money and big business is trying to snow everyone into thinking that these are supposed to be less than minimum wage jobs...it is a scam. and ppl eat it up... and the longer this crap goes on.... the more ppl will think these jobs will have no value. Then if our spinless government ever gets the ballz to do something about illegals, the jobs will pay really low, and biz will cry that they cannot make it.

illegals need to be shipped home, the jobs need to be paid what they should be paid, and then there will be approx $18billion a year more in our economy that is now being pumped into Mexico.

edit: and it is not just farm picking and landscaping. It is construction. Hotel work. Restaurant work. and just about all blue collar work now.
 

dullard

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Fill in the blanks.

I say keep the damn ____s out of here. They come to our country bringing nothing with them. No ____ can speak our language initially. All ____s mooch off our society and contribute nothing for years. They are just a constant drain for the rest of us, a drain to our energy, our money, our government programs. They use our insurance money, our medicare money, even our disability and similar money. Heck they are often full of illness and diseases - whole hospital wings are divoted to those damn ____s. And for what? Nothing.

Eventually some of them decide to work, and they take the hardworking American jobs away from us current Americans. They start off accepting low wages, and undercut the rest of us. Gah! I say ban them. Ban all ____s. Were better off alone.

They eventually try to get drivers licenses, and you know that all ___s drive like crap when they start and cause all kinds of accidents. Abolish that too. No drivers licenses, lets go so far as to say no IDs at all! Heck, lets just send them all back to where they came from.

We all know what belongs in those blanks.



Babies of course.
 

meltdown75

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Originally posted by: dullard
I say keep the damn ____s out of here. They come to our country bringing nothing with them. No ____ can speak our language initially. All ____s mooch off our society and contribute nothing for years. They are just a constant drain for the rest of us, a drain to our energy, our money, our government programs. They use our insurance money, our medicare money, even our disability and similar money. Heck they are often full of illness and diseases - whole hospital wings are divoted to those damn ____s. And for what? Nothing.

Eventually some of them decide to work, and they take the hardworking American jobs away from us current Americans. They start off accepting low wages, and undercut the rest of us. Gah! I say ban them. Ban all ____s. Were better off alone.

They eventually try to get drivers licenses, and you know that all ___s drive like crap when they start and cause all kinds of accidents. Abolish that too. Heck, lets just send them all back to where they came from.

We all know what belongs in those blanks.



Babies of course.

:laugh:
 

Mildlyamused

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Originally posted by: tec699
Why are Americans so fearful of illegals?

They're not, we/they don't like em because they drain money from society and contribute nothing to it. I'm all for immigrants, just not illegals. And if your wondering, I have plenty of mexican friends...
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: meltdown75
:laugh:
Thanks, I've been wanting to post something like that for months. I never knew if anyone would care. Most people don't understand my points of view.

 

vladgur

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Originally posted by: BriGy86
If you really want to know, you could read Albion's Seed and learn about Folk Ways and how they have effected American CUlture.

Originally posted by: BriGy86

my thoughts exactly, i could care less if people came here legally and could at least speak a little english... oh and didn't bring diseases that HAD been iradicated years ago

...oh and could at least spell like the true americans :D
 

BriGy86

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Originally posted by: vladgur
Originally posted by: BriGy86
If you really want to know, you could read Albion's Seed and learn about Folk Ways and how they have effected American CUlture.

Originally posted by: BriGy86

my thoughts exactly, i could care less if people came here legally and could at least speak a little english... oh and didn't bring diseases that HAD been iradicated years ago

...oh and could at least spell like the true americans :D

the first thing isn't somthing i said :) as for the later... i may not be able to spell all that great at times, but i can at least carry on a conversation without having the other person asking me to repeat myself 15 times
 

meltdown75

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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: meltdown75
:laugh:
Thanks, I've been wanting to post something like that for months. I never knew if anyone would care. Most people don't understand my points of view.

when you roll up sarcasm, a dash of dark humour and important issues of the day and present them in such a nice little package, you will get the laugh emoticon out of me every time. ;) :beer: thank YOU.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: tec699
Originally posted by: nourdmrolNMT1
Originally posted by: tec699
I think the more people that come into this great country the better! Other people don't have the same attitude though. I think the midwest states are not as open to immigrants as we are here on the east coast. But hopefully that will change as more immigrants, specifically Mexicans, start to expand into states that are pretty much white only.

So I say embrace the next wave of immigrants because the only people that are true Americans are the Native Americans.

:)

because the mexicans normally come here illegally, and then live off of the govt.

MIKE


Most do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do.

How many young adults are going to look for work as a blueberry picker? Let me think... the answer would be ZERO!

if given the oppurtunity im sure some would however there are better jobs out there. they take landscaping from us all the time. it can be a pita to get a landscaping job. because they get paid nothing and yet still work. while you actually have to pay legal citizens...

MIKE

Actually, what happens is that the illegals undercut American workers who used to do those jobs. We get hooked on the cheap labor (believe me, to big business this cheap labor is like crack cocaine) and pretty soon there are strong lobbyists trying to keep government officials from making a big deal about illegal immigration. Eventually, it will even out but we clearly can't keep absorbing the millions of illegal immigrants coming in from Mexico in the massive numbers they are currently coming in.

I can't really fault the Mexican people for wanting to come here though. Hell, I've been to Mexico, it is very impoverished with very few opportunities-why else would anyone risk walking hundreds of miles through the Arizona desert in the brutal heat/cold to come here.

Bottom line, it is our country and if the people want to do something to slow the flow of illegal immigrants into our country it is our right to do so. Judging by the mainstream and leftist views on illegal immigration (the right seems to have it's head buried so far up the ass of big business that I don't see them doing anything about it) I've heard recently I see the level of complacency going way down in the coming years.
 

vladgur

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Originally posted by: jewno
Abolish Laws on Immigrants Coming to America
Final draft

Maaan, do you hate the essays that restate the obvious in the thesis, then restate it couple times in the body and then go on rephrasing the same thing in the conclusion. A weather report from Mojave desert would get a reader more excited than your paper ever will. I sure hope its for one of those pointless 'insert 1 out of 3 minorities here' Studies Department and not for a college level creative writing class :)
 

vladgur

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Originally posted by: BriGy86
Originally posted by: vladgur


the first thing isn't somthing i said :) as for the later... i may not be able to spell all that great at times, but i can at least carry on a conversation without having the other person asking me to repeat myself 15 times

It wasnt aimed at you directly, it was just an irony of the fact that those that bring up language and culture impact of immigration misspell fairly obvious words themselves :)
 

novon

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All the immigrants I know are hard working, highly educated, very successful, and contribute more to the economy than "natives"
 

glen

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The answer is to be found in reading Albion's Seed.

I dunno if folsk thought I was being flipant, but I wasn't
This is a ground breaking book.


 

glen

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Here you go:

Book Description
This book is the first volume in a cultural history of the United States, from the earliest English settlements to our own time. It is a history of American folkways as they have changed through time, and it argues a thesis about the importance for the United States of having been British in its cultural origins.

From 1629 to 1775, North America was settled by four great waves of English-speaking immigrants. The first was an exodus of Puritans from the east of England to Massachusetts (1629-1640). The second was the movement of a Royalist elite and indentured servants from the south of England to Virginia (ca. 1649-75). The third was the "Friends' migration,"--the Quakers--from the North Midlands and Wales to the Delaware Valley (ca. 1675-1725). The fourth was a great flight from the borderlands of North Britain and northern Ireland to the American backcountry (ca. 1717-75).

These four groups differed in many ways--in religion, rank, generation and place of origin. They brought to America different folkways which became the basis of regional cultures in the United States. They spoke distinctive English dialects and built their houses in diverse ways. They had different ideas of family, marriage and gender; different practices of child-naming and child-raising; different attitudes toward sex, age and death; different rituals of worship and magic; different forms of work and play; different customs of food and dress; different traditions of education and literacy; different modes of settlement and association. They also had profoundly different ideas of comity, order, power and freedom which derived from British folk-traditions. Albion's Seed describes those differences in detail, and discusses the continuing importance of their transference to America.

Today most people in the United States (more than 80 percent) have no British ancestors at all. These many other groups, even while preserving their own ethnic cultures, have also assimilated regional folkways which were transplanted from Britain to America. In that sense, nearly all Americans today are "Albion's Seed," no matter what their ethnic origins may be; but they are so in their different regional ways. The concluding section of Albion's Seed explores the ways that regional cultures have continued to dominate national politics from 1789 to 1988, and still control attitudes toward education, government, gender, and violence, on which differences between American regions are greater than between European nations.

Albion's Seed also argues that the four British folkways created an expansive cultural pluralism that has proved to the more libertarian than any single culture alone could be. Together they became the determinants of a voluntary society in the United States.--This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.
 

DaFOBulous1

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You brought in a can of words. Immigration is what makes us great but what makes us struggle in different aspects. The diversity brings lots of different aspects making this country a multi-cultural country. However as the standard of living skyrockets; working your way up gets harder and harder and a lot of times; its' easier to leech on welfare than to work.

This is what my professor said in class and I somewhat agree. However, this is just a giss of things in this discussion.
 

BriGy86

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Originally posted by: DaFOBulous1
You brought in a can of words. Immigration is what makes us great but what makes us struggle in different aspects. The diversity brings lots of different aspects making this country a multi-cultural country. However as the standard of living skyrockets; working your way up gets harder and harder and a lot of times; its' easier to leech on welfare than to work.

This is what my professor said in class and I somewhat agree. However, this is just a giss of things in this discussion.

they just need more restrictions

if what i heard is right, i believe places like Canada and Australia only let people live in their country if they have a marketable skill that is useful... same thing goes for Grand Cayman, foreigners that live there MUST have a job in order to stay there