Simply looking at "7900GTX" in the RTPE makes it look like prices are coming down, but when you click on any of the individual 7900GTX cards you will see that just the opposite is really the case and in fact prices are going UP on them at most if not all e-tailers shown in the RTPE. Why? With the release of the 7950 and the natural aging of the product (not to mention the better performance of ATI's offerings), they should be down around $400 WITHOUT taking into account MIRs and such, especially considering 7900GTs are only ~$260 these days. WTF is up with the $479 prices on the 7900GTX?
Why are 7900GTX prices going UP???
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Supply should be increasing and stabilitizing (unlike when they first came out and were nowhere to be had) and demand should be average or decreasing due to being outperformed and having newer, higher-end items available even from NVidia.
All I know is it's the only high-end GPU I'd consider since it's the only one that isn't very noisy. But I certainly won't be paying that much for one, especially when it's not top of the line anymore, let alone the best performer out there.
If it was simply supply and demand there'd be no question in the first place.
All I know is it's the only high-end GPU I'd consider since it's the only one that isn't very noisy. But I certainly won't be paying that much for one, especially when it's not top of the line anymore, let alone the best performer out there.
If it was simply supply and demand there'd be no question in the first place.
looks like were made just about 1000 GTXs and they were sold out and now it's tight supply
so e-tailer can inflite the price as no competition to any price.
If ppl will not buy at that price then most likely price would go down, but if ppl will buy then ...
it's kind of "market"
ATI x1900XT and XTXs prices going down so far
But, if someone a must to run LUNA for what ever reason where ATI can't be used then ... you know
so e-tailer can inflite the price as no competition to any price.
If ppl will not buy at that price then most likely price would go down, but if ppl will buy then ...
it's kind of "market"
ATI x1900XT and XTXs prices going down so far
But, if someone a must to run LUNA for what ever reason where ATI can't be used then ... you know
yeah but i have no interest in buying a noisy POS X1800/X1900 series card and it seems no manufacturers are offering them with alternative cooling solutions yet like a quieter fan or a fanless heatpipe design, so that leaves the GTX 7900 as the quietest of the high-end offerings. I have no interest in tearing apart a card and replacing the hsf myself, so the 7900GT is out for now too.
Too bad the 7600GS/GT aren't a noticeable enough jump over my current X800XL or I'd just go with that.
Too bad the 7600GS/GT aren't a noticeable enough jump over my current X800XL or I'd just go with that.
It's not noisy if you don't want to overclock, and certainly better than 7900GTX unless you only play OpenGL or flight sim games.
I just don't play many current-gen games. Any of the higher-end cards should be plenty for CS:Source, NFSMW, etc.
Elfear
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Here you go.
HIS IceQ3 X1900XT $354 AR
Here's what Guru3D had to say about noise levels and cooling ability. Looks like the new cooler improved things a lot. ~8C lower at load and quieter to boot.
I thought that one was reviewed and said to be barely any quieter than the stock one?
I'll check it out further...
Elfear
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Here is what I could find on the various review sites.
Overclocker Cafe (somewhat vague)-
"Pros:
*IceQ3 Cooler provides superior cooling
*Quiet operation
*VPU and memory heatsinks separated"
HotHardware-
" Other than the fact that the IceQ3 is a dual-slot solution though, the cooler is nothing like ATI's. The IceQ3 is superior to the stock solution in a couple of ways. The IceQ3 features heat-pipes and all copper heatsinks to absorb heat from the GPU and memory. And those heat-sinks are isolated, which means the memory and GPU heatsinks are completely separated, preventing any heat transfer from the GPU to memory, or vice versa. The all-copper heatsinks are also larger than ATI's reference design, which should help keep temperatures in check.
The fan and shroud used on the IceQ3 is also different than ATI's stock design. The IceQ3 features bi-directional air in-take channels, where cool air is drawn in from both sides of the fan, improving air flow. And the fan itself is also much quieter than the stock model at <20db. "
Guru3D -
"New on the X1900 XT is the third generation of ICeQ cooling. I have mixed feelings about the new cooler though. First the positives. It's a stunning new heatpipe/active fan combination in the IceQ style that we all learned to know and love. It does it's job very sufficiently and most of all is a very quiet solution.
At startup the cooler can be a tad noisy, yet mid gameplay the fan will never have to spin at 100% so it's really a very quiet design which to me is a huge plus."
Db ratings tested by Guru3D:
His IceQ3 X1900XT - "We measure roughly 43 dBa which is to be considered a quiet noise level coming from the PC yet also a norm as most of our tests end up at this sound level."
XFX 7900GTX -"We measure roughly 41-44 dBa which is to be considered a quiet to moderate noise level coming from the PC."
ATI X1900XTX - "We measure roughly 50 dBa which is to be considered a quiet to moderate noise level coming from the PC yet also a norm as most of our tests end up at this sound level."
Overclocker Cafe (somewhat vague)-
"Pros:
*IceQ3 Cooler provides superior cooling
*Quiet operation
*VPU and memory heatsinks separated"
HotHardware-
" Other than the fact that the IceQ3 is a dual-slot solution though, the cooler is nothing like ATI's. The IceQ3 is superior to the stock solution in a couple of ways. The IceQ3 features heat-pipes and all copper heatsinks to absorb heat from the GPU and memory. And those heat-sinks are isolated, which means the memory and GPU heatsinks are completely separated, preventing any heat transfer from the GPU to memory, or vice versa. The all-copper heatsinks are also larger than ATI's reference design, which should help keep temperatures in check.
The fan and shroud used on the IceQ3 is also different than ATI's stock design. The IceQ3 features bi-directional air in-take channels, where cool air is drawn in from both sides of the fan, improving air flow. And the fan itself is also much quieter than the stock model at <20db. "
Guru3D -
"New on the X1900 XT is the third generation of ICeQ cooling. I have mixed feelings about the new cooler though. First the positives. It's a stunning new heatpipe/active fan combination in the IceQ style that we all learned to know and love. It does it's job very sufficiently and most of all is a very quiet solution.
At startup the cooler can be a tad noisy, yet mid gameplay the fan will never have to spin at 100% so it's really a very quiet design which to me is a huge plus."
Db ratings tested by Guru3D:
His IceQ3 X1900XT - "We measure roughly 43 dBa which is to be considered a quiet noise level coming from the PC yet also a norm as most of our tests end up at this sound level."
XFX 7900GTX -"We measure roughly 41-44 dBa which is to be considered a quiet to moderate noise level coming from the PC."
ATI X1900XTX - "We measure roughly 50 dBa which is to be considered a quiet to moderate noise level coming from the PC yet also a norm as most of our tests end up at this sound level."
would you might get with:
NV 7900GTX - silent powerful card, low power usage, less hot, eVGA WARRANTY that covers even OC
ATI - louder, higher power usage, runs hot 100C or more, FASTER then 7900GTX, better IQ, VIVO, 1 year warranty ;-(
with x1900XT IceQ from monarch you may get problems as some already reported
if your card DOA you can't return it unless you paid extra $50 for monarch warranty
HIS has 1 year warranty, doesn't cover OC
if you want silent PC then NV
if better IQ and HDR then ATI
it's up to you ;-)
NV 7900GTX - silent powerful card, low power usage, less hot, eVGA WARRANTY that covers even OC
ATI - louder, higher power usage, runs hot 100C or more, FASTER then 7900GTX, better IQ, VIVO, 1 year warranty ;-(
with x1900XT IceQ from monarch you may get problems as some already reported
if your card DOA you can't return it unless you paid extra $50 for monarch warranty
HIS has 1 year warranty, doesn't cover OC
if you want silent PC then NV
if better IQ and HDR then ATI
it's up to you ;-)
You obviously missed the several posts talking about the IceQ X1900 card. Its as quiet as the 7900GTX. Also, X1900's dont typically run 100C, dont try to push that off on everyone. Some peoples PC's just run hotter, so of course their cards will. You can also get a lifetime warranty for ATi cards.
In short, your post was full of misinformation.
The GTX is my current favorite card, and apparantly others as well, hence the prices.
Its VERY quiet (silent?), and its very fast.
The GX2, while the fastest card on the market today requires additional thought as to what motherboard you put it in, to some degree.
But they are great cards, exceptional engineering to have that sort of power in that thermal envelope.
The X1900XT is the other card I like. Its price performance continues to skyrocket, and while Im not buying the idea of HDR+AA today for any sort of high res FPS-styled action.. I'm a big turnbased gamer, and someday who knows.. maybe the XT wont be too slow by the time a killer TBS game is released with HDR+AA?
I can say this much, if Heroes of Might and Magic 5 supported HDR+AA on ATI only, I'd be using ATI. Period. I'm a fanboy for the HOMM series, have been since HOMM1 when I needed to update my video card to a VESA compatible one to play it on my 486
Things I dont like about the XT is the cooler, its loud. I'm also not a fan of CCC or any of ATIs longterm driver support. I also dont like the brands that ATI cards are offered in.
I like Evga and BFG, and have had nothing but exceptional service using Evga's Stepup and BFGs RMA service.
Overall, I'd have to give the nod to BFG over Evga. Though thats not even really fair with how well I feel I've been treated by both.
For stock coolers, the GTX cooler is the best hands down. The card is fast, and does the job very well. Among the NV vendors I prefer, and the cooler, and the long term driver support, I also like 8xS AA.
Its simply an amazing AA mode in Heroes of Might and Magic 5. I dont think I could move to ATI because I am indeed so hooked on this.
Losing my 8xS + killer/quiet cooler thats on the GTX would be to much for me to lose.
Its my pick for "card to have". Which is why I use one
I bought mine for $400. Not bad for a BFG, would do it again in a second! I would have been willing to pay more, if I knew how much I'd fall in love with this card (moved from 6800GT SLI to 7800GT to 7900GT to 7900GTX).
I've owned dozens of video cards since my first PC (286), and this GTX has knocked out my precious GF2 GTS as my all time favorite video card. That GTS lasted me a very long time, but I enjoy and appreciate this GTX more so and I never thought I'd be able to top my GTS on my list of all time favorite video cards.
Maybe thats why prices are so high.
Also, cards like these, instead of selling for $20 new retail prices eventually... tend to just dry up/disappear from the market. People expect the high end cards to continue to drop in price forever, and that never happens (because that'd be impossible as they stop production).
Its VERY quiet (silent?), and its very fast.
The GX2, while the fastest card on the market today requires additional thought as to what motherboard you put it in, to some degree.
But they are great cards, exceptional engineering to have that sort of power in that thermal envelope.
The X1900XT is the other card I like. Its price performance continues to skyrocket, and while Im not buying the idea of HDR+AA today for any sort of high res FPS-styled action.. I'm a big turnbased gamer, and someday who knows.. maybe the XT wont be too slow by the time a killer TBS game is released with HDR+AA?
I can say this much, if Heroes of Might and Magic 5 supported HDR+AA on ATI only, I'd be using ATI. Period. I'm a fanboy for the HOMM series, have been since HOMM1 when I needed to update my video card to a VESA compatible one to play it on my 486
Things I dont like about the XT is the cooler, its loud. I'm also not a fan of CCC or any of ATIs longterm driver support. I also dont like the brands that ATI cards are offered in.
I like Evga and BFG, and have had nothing but exceptional service using Evga's Stepup and BFGs RMA service.
Overall, I'd have to give the nod to BFG over Evga. Though thats not even really fair with how well I feel I've been treated by both.
For stock coolers, the GTX cooler is the best hands down. The card is fast, and does the job very well. Among the NV vendors I prefer, and the cooler, and the long term driver support, I also like 8xS AA.
Its simply an amazing AA mode in Heroes of Might and Magic 5. I dont think I could move to ATI because I am indeed so hooked on this.
Losing my 8xS + killer/quiet cooler thats on the GTX would be to much for me to lose.
Its my pick for "card to have". Which is why I use one
I bought mine for $400. Not bad for a BFG, would do it again in a second! I would have been willing to pay more, if I knew how much I'd fall in love with this card (moved from 6800GT SLI to 7800GT to 7900GT to 7900GTX).
I've owned dozens of video cards since my first PC (286), and this GTX has knocked out my precious GF2 GTS as my all time favorite video card. That GTS lasted me a very long time, but I enjoy and appreciate this GTX more so and I never thought I'd be able to top my GTS on my list of all time favorite video cards.
Maybe thats why prices are so high.
Also, cards like these, instead of selling for $20 new retail prices eventually... tend to just dry up/disappear from the market. People expect the high end cards to continue to drop in price forever, and that never happens (because that'd be impossible as they stop production).
Good thing ATI changed their cooler policy.
Man, this just makes the x1900XT an even better deal. Must be lots of OGL users or lots of uninformed people out there buying 7900GTX... before you accuse me of trolling please consider that the x1900XT and GTX performance are pretty much toe to toe. However, one costs significantly less than the other. Is that not a good point? If GTX was cheaper, I would reverse my opinion.
Getting an XTX is not a good idea, IMO
x1900xt: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102004
7900GTX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127097
Man, this just makes the x1900XT an even better deal. Must be lots of OGL users or lots of uninformed people out there buying 7900GTX... before you accuse me of trolling please consider that the x1900XT and GTX performance are pretty much toe to toe. However, one costs significantly less than the other. Is that not a good point? If GTX was cheaper, I would reverse my opinion.
Getting an XTX is not a good idea, IMO
x1900xt: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102004
7900GTX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814127097
Elfear
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Looks like db levels compared to the HIS IceQ3 are dead on.
Did you even read the posts above yours about the HIS IceQ3 cooler??
Ditto
Wait a sec. You also said this:
Do you really think that Nvidia performance with 8xS AA is going to be better than ATI's with 2AA/4AA + HDR? Do you have a different criteria for playability between the two cards or do you just play old games that can handle 8xS AA?
I do agree with you that the Nvidia vendors seem to have better warranties overall, although some of the ATI vendors get very close with their lifetime warranties.
I have nothing against Nvidia cards (I've owned twice as many Nvidia cards as I have ATI cards) but at current pricing the X1900XT's are easily the best deal out right now IMO.
I just use 8xS in older OR slower paced games like Civ4/HOMM5. Its great and I love it.
I have no issues with that HIS thing, but I dont really know about it. If its the same as the GTX cooler, or has the same effect then thats great. Not all that well known though, the GTX512 and 7900GTX cooler has been kickin butt for some time now. Prob wont ever sell as many of those HIS solutions as 7900GTXs that have/will be sold.
Though if ALL X1900s used that, they'd be far better off. Its a shame, really.
As far as vendors, yeah theres 1 or 2 ATI ones I would use. But I cant personally vouch for them.
BFG and eVGA ROCK.. and they satisfy huge numbers of customers. I can safetly say they are teh bomb with all assurance.
As far as your statement about the XT being the best deal out, I dont know if that was a statement in general.. or directed at me. Your entitled to your opinion.. I already said the X1900XT is a decent card. The "best deal" thing is one of those messy subjects you wont get everyone to agree on.
For example, I would not trade my GTX for a XT. Say I could buy a XT for $360 and a GTX for $400 (as I did for mine).. I'm going GTX again without thinking twice. Esp a BFG?!
No swapping out cooling solutions, reliable card, great drivers/support, and does it all quietly OOTB. I never was a huge fan of AA, but not sure why I never explored into these higher AA options in the past. For shooters I use 4x/16x/HQ/multisample transAA/triple buffer/vsync.. well at least the only shooter I really play (CSS). Shooters just dont get my attention anymore, and never really did. HOMM5/Civ4 FTW. I've always been addicted to HOMM games, but I think it doesnt get near the attention it does.
Even though the series has a fiercely intense fanbase (which I'm a part of clearly).
I have no issues with that HIS thing, but I dont really know about it. If its the same as the GTX cooler, or has the same effect then thats great. Not all that well known though, the GTX512 and 7900GTX cooler has been kickin butt for some time now. Prob wont ever sell as many of those HIS solutions as 7900GTXs that have/will be sold.
Though if ALL X1900s used that, they'd be far better off. Its a shame, really.
As far as vendors, yeah theres 1 or 2 ATI ones I would use. But I cant personally vouch for them.
BFG and eVGA ROCK.. and they satisfy huge numbers of customers. I can safetly say they are teh bomb with all assurance.
As far as your statement about the XT being the best deal out, I dont know if that was a statement in general.. or directed at me. Your entitled to your opinion.. I already said the X1900XT is a decent card. The "best deal" thing is one of those messy subjects you wont get everyone to agree on.
For example, I would not trade my GTX for a XT. Say I could buy a XT for $360 and a GTX for $400 (as I did for mine).. I'm going GTX again without thinking twice. Esp a BFG?!
No swapping out cooling solutions, reliable card, great drivers/support, and does it all quietly OOTB. I never was a huge fan of AA, but not sure why I never explored into these higher AA options in the past. For shooters I use 4x/16x/HQ/multisample transAA/triple buffer/vsync.. well at least the only shooter I really play (CSS). Shooters just dont get my attention anymore, and never really did. HOMM5/Civ4 FTW. I've always been addicted to HOMM games, but I think it doesnt get near the attention it does.
Even though the series has a fiercely intense fanbase (which I'm a part of clearly).
from when HIS gives lifetime warranty? All HIS graphic cards carry one year warranty.
show me from where did you get this info?
If you read Ackmeds post again, he doesnt say the HIS cards themselves carry a lifetime warranty.
I think its powercolor (?) that has that. Not sure. Dont really care, I vastly prefer the NV vendors for their quality service.
I'd like to hear Ackmeds thoughts on this though- http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33861435
:Q How could it be? :Q Read that thread if you want to see true ATI fans revealing their true feelings on Crossfire and HDR+AA. Pretty much what I've been saying.. neither are so hot. If you want multiGPU, SLI was/is/probably will be the way to go.
This thread is about the GTX in particular.. and I agree with Gar from Rage3D 100%-
Nearly the same stuff I say.
That could explain your high prices, Nvidia has been making smart decisions on their hardware engineering since the GF6, and everyone knows its where its at for software/driver support.
I think its powercolor (?) that has that. Not sure. Dont really care, I vastly prefer the NV vendors for their quality service.
I'd like to hear Ackmeds thoughts on this though- http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33861435
:Q How could it be? :Q Read that thread if you want to see true ATI fans revealing their true feelings on Crossfire and HDR+AA. Pretty much what I've been saying.. neither are so hot. If you want multiGPU, SLI was/is/probably will be the way to go.
This thread is about the GTX in particular.. and I agree with Gar from Rage3D 100%-
Nearly the same stuff I say.
That could explain your high prices, Nvidia has been making smart decisions on their hardware engineering since the GF6, and everyone knows its where its at for software/driver support.
nitromullet
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The thing about HIS is that it doesn't really matter how long of a warrantee they offer becasue their service is terrible, it might as well be a lifetime warrantee becasue they won't deal with you directly anyway.
This means that HIS doesn't do their own RMA's... Do you really want to buy a card from a manufacturer that won't even let you send the card back to them should there be a problem? Most people on here have already heard my HIS story, so I won't go into the details. A quick summary though: My "RMA" of a defective HIS XTX has been going on for three months now, and I still don't have a replacement card...
DO NOT BUY AN HIS CARD! I don't care how sexy you think the HSF is...
This means that HIS doesn't do their own RMA's... Do you really want to buy a card from a manufacturer that won't even let you send the card back to them should there be a problem? Most people on here have already heard my HIS story, so I won't go into the details. A quick summary though: My "RMA" of a defective HIS XTX has been going on for three months now, and I still don't have a replacement card...
DO NOT BUY AN HIS CARD! I don't care how sexy you think the HSF is...
And what about the people on THIS forum that claim HDR+AA is a feature they enjoy and is playable?? THeir opinion doesn't count??
And I find that guys comment odd about something always screwing up with his ATI rigs...I've been running this rig for almost 6 months (almost continuously) and have never had something screw up. The only time I got a BSOD was because of a Starforce issue before I was even able to start the game.
Both vendors have their problems but one person's experience doesn't mean the hardware and software from one company sucks.
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