Rant Why America is descending into chaos - liberal policies against law enforcement

[interchange]

Well in a way you are quite skilled at articulating the problem: the growing divide between the community and law enforcement and the politicization of such a divide.

That reality is going to exacerbate all the problems regardless of how regularly the law is enforced*.

*technically, when studied there is a threshold where regularity of enforcing punishments does meaningfully act as a deterrent, but that threshold is a level of enforcement which is basically impossible regardless of the amount of resource thrown at the system for almost every crime. Interestingly, harshness of punishment does not generally act as a deterrent, and relatively mild punishments are effective if regularity of enforcement is high. The exception here is when harshness of punishment is extremely severe and within the ready awareness of those potentially committing the crimes; things like death and dismemberment would be such examples. Of course, the 8th amendment has something to say about that approach...

 

[Greenman]

1) What city are you claiming doesn't prosecute burglaries? That sounds like bullshit to me.
2) Those mob thefts have taken place in cities that prosecute crime vigorously as well.
3) Why would police respond to a car break in? What are they supposed to do? They will often increase police presence in areas with a lot of car break ins but actually sending a police officer to one is pointless.

1. El Cerrito. I believe this was a decision made by the DA. My information came from the officers on the scene.
2. So what? Does that lend some justification to the act?
3. They could knock on doors and see if anyone has security camera footage of the crime, perhaps come up with a license plat number. This is called "police work". When this happens around here they hit the whole neighborhood, not just my truck.

 

[FelixDeCat]

So more law enforcement here, but when it comes to tax crimes, you want less, as demonstrated by your comments in the IRS thread?

Sounds about white.

If you cheat on your taxes, you are committing crime and deserve the sleepless nights you will get for that.

What I was arguing for was the right to privacy as guaranteed by the constitution.

 

[Greenman]

So you can remotely file a report instead of having an officer come to do it for you? Because that's what most jurisdiction are likely to do anyway.

I wouldn't hold out much hope for them finding the tape deck, or the Creedence.

Why is it that a cop can't be sent out? Why do we see that as acceptable? Why couldn't an officer knock on doors and see if there is any security camera footage? Isn't that the job of the police? When I park my dump trailer on the street the police always show up to write me a ticket, why can't they make it when an actual crime has been committed?
I lost several thousand dollars worth of tools. That's worth more than my 8 track tape player.

 

[MrSquished]

Why is it that a cop can't be sent out? Why do we see that as acceptable? Why couldn't an officer knock on doors and see if there is any security camera footage? Isn't that the job of the police? When I park my dump trailer on the street the police always show up to write me a ticket, why can't they make it when an actual crime has been committed?
I lost several thousand dollars worth of tools. That's worth more than my 8 track tape player.

Cops have always been mostly useless for burglaries, why is this so new to you? Unless you are quite wealthy nothing happens.

Bike theft, and you know bikes can easily be a grand or two on wheels, and they have never given a shit. It's a complaint in the biking community in cities around the country forever. My bike got stolen when I was a teenager outside of a diner in the burbs of NJ. The cops didn't really give two shits then.

 

[fskimospy]

1. El Cerrito. I believe this was a decision made by the DA. My information came from the officers on the scene.

They were almost certainly lying to you. Needless to say, if the cops actually believe this they should tell the local papers as a decision to no longer prosecute something classified as a violent felony that in some parts of the country is still literally eligible for the death penalty would be quite a story.

They will not do this though because again, they were lying to you.

2. So what? Does that lend some justification to the act?

No, but it seems to be directly relevant to the topic of the thread!

3. They could knock on doors and see if anyone has security camera footage of the crime, perhaps come up with a license plat number. This is called "police work". When this happens around here they hit the whole neighborhood, not just my truck.

Yes, I'm sure they are going to task their investigative division to track down and solve a car break in. (hint: they will not, and neither will any police force anywhere in the country)

Even if they did, there's no point in responding to you directly - you don't have any information!

 

[HomerJS]

I have supported bringing the mob to justice. I always oppose mob violence, no matter who is doing it.

What about anyone who aided or abetted?

 

[dank69]

If you cheat on your taxes, you are committing crime and deserve the sleepless nights you will get for that.

What I was arguing for was the right to privacy as guaranteed by the constitution.

Weird that sleepless nights are not an acceptable solution for the poors when they steal, but are an acceptable solution for crimes you don't care about.

 

[Pohemi]

I always oppose mob violence, no matter who is doing it.

Liar.

The police in the city I live in won't respond to a car break in. I know this because my truck has been robbed 3 times, the local PD won't respond. They do have a website where I get to describe what happened and what I lost. After filling it out I can print it out so there is a record of the crime and my loss.

It's easy to say these are nothing but petty crimes and have no real effect on life. But these petty crimes have cost me around $15k over the last five years. That's out of pocket cost at the time, it doesn't include what I've had to spend securing my property, or the increased cost of insurance.

I lost several thousand dollars worth of tools.

It sounds like it was your own fault for not having insurance BEFORE your shit got stolen. Multiple times.

Fuck is wrong with you? You're either dumb as fuck for not insuring your property, or you're just making this bullshit up.

 

[MrSquished]

Liar.


It sounds like it was your own fault for not having insurance BEFORE your shit got stolen. Multiple times.

Fuck is wrong with you? You're either dumb as fuck for not insuring your property, or you're just making this bullshit up.

Nobody should have their stuff stolen, but also nothing is new about cops doing jack shit about burglaries like that.

 

[outriding]

I agree with Felix on this one.

our liberal policies against the police are literally killing American lives

we should be be passing laws to hold cops accountable. Instead they are going around shooting people in the back. Breaking old women’s arms Beating unarmed peole with their batons.

and the cops are getting away with due to our liberal policies and they walk away with no jail time just to repeat their behavior

This liberal bullshit needs to stop now

 

[ch33zw1z]

I agree with Felix on this one.

our liberal policies against the police are literally killing American lives

we should be be passing laws to hold cops accountable. Instead they are going around shooting people in the back. Breaking old women’s arms Beating unarmed peole with their batons.

and the cops are getting away with due to our liberal policies and they walk away with no jail time just to repeat their behavior

This liberal bullshit needs to stop now

Liberals put forth legislation to start change. What happened to it?

 

[outriding]

Liberals put forth legislation to start change. What happened to it?

My post was slightly sarcastic

 

[VashHT]

Cops have always been mostly useless for burglaries, why is this so new to you? Unless you are quite wealthy nothing happens.

Bike theft, and you know bikes can easily be a grand or two on wheels, and they have never given a shit. It's a complaint in the biking community in cities around the country forever. My bike got stolen when I was a teenager outside of a diner in the burbs of NJ. The cops didn't really give two shits then.

My car got broken into on Thanksgiving like 10 years ago, took a bunch of stuff I had in there. Cop came out, took a statement, and straight up told me they probably won't find anything. I doubt they even tried plus it happened overnight so whoever did it was long gone by the time I saw it. Basically a waste of time for me and the officer and I'm sure that same situation happens the vast majority of the time a break in occurs.

 

[Brainonska511]

My car got broken into on Thanksgiving like 10 years ago, took a bunch of stuff I had in there. Cop came out, took a statement, and straight up told me they probably won't find anything. I doubt they even tried plus it happened overnight so whoever did it was long gone by the time I saw it. Basically a waste of time for me and the officer and I'm sure that same situation happens the vast majority of the time a break in occurs.

Same thing happened to us. Car was rummaged through a few weeks ago and some stuff was taken. Cop came, took statement, then just walked through the garage to see if it happened to any other car (only two others). Doubt anything will ever come of it beyond having a report filed and the exercise was largely a waste of time.

 

[Leeea]

1) What city are you claiming doesn't prosecute burglaries? That sounds like bullshit to me.

Every place I have ever been to, and especially rural areas.

I once lead a police officer to stolen item of my property, which the officer agreed was my property and was stolen. He also agreed with me the item had been stolen the night prior, and that the transient staying in the trailer most likely stole it.

However, he refused to even talk to the person who lived in the trailer. I did get my item back, but I realized later the police officer only came to make sure I did not get into a fight with the thief. He had zero interest in enforcing the law or doing anything about said theft. He solely was interested in preventing a disturbance.

The officer was a member of the Door County Wisconsin Sheriff department. The sheriff at the time was a republican. The county board was also republican. Republicans simply do not care about law and order, but keeping those crime stats low is the real priority.

 

[VashHT]

Same thing happened to us. Car was rummaged through a few weeks ago and some stuff was taken. Cop came, took statement, then just walked through the garage to see if it happened to any other car (only two others). Doubt anything will ever come of it beyond having a report filed and the exercise was largely a waste of time.

Yeah IIRC the only reason I really made the report was they smashed my window and insurance wanted a police report before they'd replace it. Otherwise I'm not sure I would have even bothered.

 

[MrSquished]

Yeah IIRC the only reason I really made the report was they smashed my window and insurance wanted a police report before they'd replace it. Otherwise I'm not sure I would have even bothered.

That's it. You need the police report if you want to make an insurance claim. Now that you can do it online, it's just faster for everyone involved.

 

[Zorba]

He actually has some valid points that are poorly expressed. Shoplifting has been decriminalized in several city's. CVS has closed stores in San Francisco because of extremely high theft. And there have been mobs invade stores within the last month. Nordstrom's in Walnut Creek was the last one.
When a house I was working on was robbed I was informed that burglaries weren't prosecuted in that city.

The police in the city I live in won't respond to a car break in. I know this because my truck has been robbed 3 times, the local PD won't respond. They do have a website where I get to describe what happened and what I lost. After filling it out I can print it out so there is a record of the crime and my loss.

It's easy to say these are nothing but petty crimes and have no real effect on life. But these petty crimes have cost me around $15k over the last five years. That's out of pocket cost at the time, it doesn't include what I've had to spend securing my property, or the increased cost of insurance.

This stuff is real, and there is a cost. The question becomes, how far do we allow it to go? How much crime is acceptable?

My brother's car was stolen in Tulsa, Oklahoma 20 years ago. Before any type of police reform and in an extremely red state. He was told "We don't investigate or look for stolen vehicles, if we pull them over for some other reason we'll arrest them." My brother even knew what apartment the people had come out of.

Now, let me tell you about the company I used to work for that made people clock out at their normal time, while they continued to work, so they wouldn't get over time. That company has probably stolen hundreds of thousands from their employees over the last 5 years.

 

[fskimospy]

Every place I have ever been to, and especially rural areas.

I once lead a police officer to stolen item of my property, which the officer agreed was my property and was stolen. He also agreed with me the item had been stolen the night prior, and that the transient staying in the trailer most likely stole it.

However, he refused to even talk to the person who lived in the trailer. I did get my item back, but I realized later the police officer only came to make sure I did not get into a fight with the thief. He had zero interest in enforcing the law or doing anything about said theft. He solely was interested in preventing a disturbance.

The officer was a member of the Door County Wisconsin Sheriff department. The sheriff at the time was a republican. The county board was also republican. I guess I was not rich enough or influential enough to matter.

That's very odd to say as a quick check shows about 120,000 burglary arrests in the US last year. Is the idea that the cops are arresting these people and then the DA lets them go?

 

[Brainonska511]

Yeah IIRC the only reason I really made the report was they smashed my window and insurance wanted a police report before they'd replace it. Otherwise I'm not sure I would have even bothered.

I only reported it because it was a semi-secure garage. We were stupid and had briefly left the car unlocked after a camping trip (<1.5 hours sitting unlocked) because we were tired and absent-minded at the time. Someone was probably just wandering around checking for unlocked doors.

 

[Leeea]

That's very odd to say as a quick check shows about 120,000 burglary arrests in the US last year. Is the idea that the cops are arresting these people and then the DA lets them go?

2.5 million reported home burglaries annually. Seems they care about 4.8% of burglaries.

In my case (which was not a home burglary) the officer flat out refused to report anything at all. So I imagine even those stats are ridiculously juked.

 

[fskimospy]

2.5 million reported home burglaries annually.

Seems they care about 4.8% of burglaries.

According to the UCR burglaries are cleared at 13.5%, which is about on par with other property crimes.

Clearances

ucr.fbi.gov

Property crimes are hard to solve as there's often no witnesses present, and the public demands resources be spent on violent crimes for obvious reasons.

Regardless, his statement was that the DA would refuse to PROSECUTE them, which would mean an arrest had already been made. This is of course complete horseshit, but cops lie about stuff like that all the time.

 

[MrSquished]

There should obviously be consequences for stealing. But conservatives want to lock them up and throw away the key because most of them are poor and minorities and they look down on these people. They have no concept of rehabilitative treatment, and they love for-profit prisons. The only time they have a concept of rehabilitative treatment is when it's a white conservative male, like in the case of the Duggar who was a serial child abuser and they let him off because of his white privilege, until years later when it became impossible to ignore. So it's all part of what system of beliefs and values they have.

And of course businesses can steal millions or pollute or do various things that end up costing taxpayers shitloads of money and nobody goes to prison. And while Democrats aren't great at doing that, they're the only ones trying to push reforms where there would be greater consequences for these actions.

 

[repoman0]

I had a great experience with the Boston PD when my fiancée left her phone in a movie theater. They helped us track it down and a detective even went to retrieve it from the person who had bought it from whoever “found” it. All for just some old iPhone. No arrests or anything needed. Thanks hardworking police department in one of the most liberal areas of the country!