Why AMD's X2's cost more.

[Zebo]

1. Obvious performance superiority

2. It costs more to make since they are cut from same die, unlike P4 design where they slap two prescotts together on same package. More bad chips as a result which costs need to be amortized over the good ones.

3. More expensive waffers using SOI from soiteck and others.

4.?

 

[Duvie]

4) cause if it didn't cost a bit of a premium who in their right mind would buy anything else. Then the whole product line would have to drop considerably to move them...thus less profits...i guess it comes to "cause they can, and ppl will still buy"

 

[Zebo]

Best answer yet... who would buy cheap 939 3000's and 3200's if AMD made a $220 X2? No one.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

Yep! It's only good business. If you have the best you must charge the highest price.
The prices will inevitably come down, how much and how fast will de determined by suppy and demand. But AMD is correct to price them high initially to guage the market, especially since there is no competitive offerings by Intel.

 

[Markfw]

Unfortunatly, my Dual-core Opterons probably won;t come down for squat !!!! I will just have to get a dual-core 939 2.2ghz and bench against my 248's !

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

Reason is simple: X2 is much better choice and as i believe it will be ready for shipping with next 2 weeks. I doubt Intels going to ship their sh1t then too. And this time i mean it: two Prescotts 2gether are really more than a stupid idea regarding power consumption, heat and performance. How can Intel believe anybody will buy such crap...?? Answer is easy again: Intel wasnt ready for dual-cores, they know prescott-duallies are crap and nobody will buy it but they have to try to compete with the X2, until they switch to 65nm completely. So whats they only way to compete when ur ways inferior? Sell low.

 

[Zebo]

LOL

 

[Chode Messiah]

That and they don't want to be cruel! (everyone knows AMD pwns Intel!):disgust:

 

[GuitarDaddy]

AMD should jump on the performance advantage they have. Just a few targeted high profile TV adds promoting the worlds faster processors, maybe with a tie in with a custom shop(Alien, etc..) and show some WR's.

Maybe Joe sixpack will ask, Why can't I get a DELL with that thar X2 thang. Then AMD could agressively go after an exclusive deal with one of the lessor mass market makers like Gateway. Bring the beast to it's knee's!!!!!! :laugh:

Wishful thinking I guess, but I would so like to see AMD take a bite out of Intels .

 

[Zebo]

Next year.... They cant make enough processors now. Remeber FX's being out OOS for over two months!!! people literally paying $200 over MSRP for the few that popped up?..yea AMD don't need no ads... YET.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Best answer yet... who would buy cheap 939 3000's and 3200's if AMD made a $220 X2? No one.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
Reason is simple: X2 is much better choice and as i believe it will be ready for shipping with next 2 weeks. I doubt Intels going to ship their sh1t then too. And this time i mean it: two Prescotts 2gether are really more than a stupid idea regarding power consumption, heat and performance. How can Intel believe anybody will buy such crap...?? Answer is easy again: Intel wasnt ready for dual-cores, they know prescott-duallies are crap and nobody will buy it but they have to try to compete with the X2, until they switch to 65nm completely. So whats they only way to compete when ur ways inferior? Sell low.

But when 2 Prescotts together cost the same a 1 Prescott it's a pretty good looking deal. I'll still buy the AMD DC, but if I was an Intel fan it would be a no brainer.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
Reason is simple: X2 is much better choice and as i believe it will be ready for shipping with next 2 weeks. I doubt Intels going to ship their sh1t then too. And this time i mean it: two Prescotts 2gether are really more than a stupid idea regarding power consumption, heat and performance. How can Intel believe anybody will buy such crap...?? Answer is easy again: Intel wasnt ready for dual-cores, they know prescott-duallies are crap and nobody will buy it but they have to try to compete with the X2, until they switch to 65nm completely. So whats they only way to compete when ur ways inferior? Sell low.

this is where joe sixpack looks at the AMD64X2 4000 and P4 8xx and decides that Pentium 840 sounds cooler than Athalon "128" and intel is a "better" brand and AMD is a cheap knockoff.

 

[Markfw]

"Theres a sucker born every minute" (Intel DC buyers...)

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
Reason is simple: X2 is much better choice and as i believe it will be ready for shipping with next 2 weeks. I doubt Intels going to ship their sh1t then too. And this time i mean it: two Prescotts 2gether are really more than a stupid idea regarding power consumption, heat and performance. How can Intel believe anybody will buy such crap...?? Answer is easy again: Intel wasnt ready for dual-cores, they know prescott-duallies are crap and nobody will buy it but they have to try to compete with the X2, until they switch to 65nm completely. So whats they only way to compete when ur ways inferior? Sell low.

But when 2 Prescotts together cost the same a 1 Prescott it's a pretty good looking deal. I'll still buy the AMD DC, but if I was an Intel fan it would be a no brainer.

WTF are you talking about???

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2397&p=4


The 640 is still around 220 range and the only 840 AT found in its hardware pricing guide for the 840 D was 660 that is 3x the cost of a single core..That is worse then the X2's...

The one encoruraging in the lineup is the 820 which is amount 1.5x the cost of a single core 620yet 2months after launch no such chip in sight....

The price per core is better at the low end then the X2s but no better in the range of where the chips were tested.....Look forward to spending as much for the mobo to work with the chip....PLus the fact the 820 will likely be 15-20% worse then the 15-30+% the 840 lost by...

The fact is right now entry 955 boards are in the 250+ range...you need to use DDR2 memory that is more expensive then standard pc3200 400ddr....Then we can look at the fact the power consumption of the DC intel versions even on the low end of their single core speeds....This thing is going to be a bastard to power and to cool....I cant wait to start seeing more starting to arrive to see for certain what kind of power and heat issues ppl have....

 

[sangyup81]

If they price too low, too many people will want it and there will be an embarassing shortage.

 

[CraigRT]

offtopic post: those CPU's friggin rule

 

[irwincur]

Technically they do not cost more than the Intel solution. If you go Intel, you need an entirely new platform. If you already have a Socket 939 motherboard, well your RAM will also work, and you are in business. Do the math, they are close, but AMD comes out slightly ahead.

Cost is all relative.

 

[KDKPSJ]

Originally posted by: irwincur
Technically they do not cost more than the Intel solution. If you go Intel, you need an entirely new platform. If you already have a Socket 939 motherboard, well your RAM will also work, and you are in business. Do the math, they are close, but AMD comes out slightly ahead.

Cost is all relative.

But isn't the price of DDR2 going down dramatically? Some DDR2 modules are as cheap as DDR1 this day, so you just have to spend some time to trade if you already have DDR1. But cost-wise, DDR1 = DDR2, so the price of memory is out of equation.. And now mobo.. 945/955 mobos are just released from very limited manufacture, and even those are very high-end mobos, ex. ASUS P5WD2 Premium. So there are price premium for sure. But you know what, those 955 mobos are somehow cheaper than NF4-SLI mobo when it first came out

So, if you do the math, it's nowhere close, I think. But yeah, X2 is definately better if you have money. But I honestly think P-D is not seriously bad either, especially if you don't want to spend 500+ bux for CPU alone. Of course, it's worse, but it's worth

 

[clarkey01]

The quicker AMD get 65 nm up the sooner we'll see lower prices.. Im going to hold out until Q1 2006 before seeing whats out.

You'll of seen a 2.6 Ghz X2 and a 3 Ghz Opteron single core by this time.

 

[Zebo]

You'll be waiting forever clark... you always make some excuse... technolgy get cheaper and faster all the time..buy what you need now.

I can already hear you next year.. "I'm waiting for the new socket"... "I'm waiting for DDR3 to hit A64".... I'm waiting to see how dothan dual core pans out" ...ad nauseam

 

[akugami]

#5 Intel can write off part of the cost because they know 80% of the people buying motherboards using their CPU's will use their chipsets anyways. It's why Intel, yes Intel, is the number one supplier of video chipsets. Not nVidia, not ATI.

 

[kobymu]

Originally posted by: akugami
#5 Intel can write off part of the cost because they know 80% of the people buying motherboards using their CPU's will use their chipsets anyways. It's why Intel, yes Intel, is the number one supplier of video chipsets. Not nVidia, not ATI.

sad but true. (SBT?)

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Zebo
You'll be waiting forever clark... you always make some excuse... technolgy get cheaper and faster all the time..buy what you need now.

I can already hear you next year.. "I'm waiting for the new socket"... "I'm waiting for DDR3 to hit A64".... I'm waiting to see how dothan dual core pans out" ...ad nauseam

lol true. Im just waiting so I can get the biggest jump in performance from my two rigs (2.8 C, 2000 AXP). I''ll wait....Well until they get cheaper

 

[clarkey01]

They say Im anti Intel but look at my Intel fab pummpin out old 233's in ym sig. Im using cheese biscuit wafers and cutting the die with a knife.