Why all the Palin angst?

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Speaking of scared how'd you like to be that poor sap that knocked up her daughter?[/quote]

And we will eventually see the true extent of her cynicism if she forces her 17 year old daughter to marry this young guy no matter what just to pander to the yee-haw religious right.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
For the record:

Harriet Myers removed her name because the right went crazy over her selection.
Had nothing to do with her being a female, it had to do with her positions on issues the right considers important.

For whose record? Myers was criticized by every thinking person, right and left, because she was NOT QUALIFIED, and had absolutly nothing to do with "her positions on issues".

As to her being female, conservative righties are not happy with 60 year old never married women. Either they are lesbians, or spinsters who are not doing their god-given duty to have a family. Not sure which the right considers to be worse.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
IIf Palin plays this right she could pick up a LOT of independent female voters.

Then again with her Moral Interventionist beliefs she could scare a lot of them away.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
The more attention that is paid indicate the more concerned the opposition is about her.

In the past, the VP choice has been more of a non issue.

This may be the first time in recent history that the VP choice seems to be not for geographical ties, but for countering percieved weaknesses in your own plank or exposing issues on the other's.

And the Dems seemed to be much more concerned about Palin than the Rep do about Biden.

To paraphrase a an old saying: "Doths that protest to loudly, have something to fear"

Palin may have that ability to pull in independents and the female vote.
That scares the Dems much more than her policies.

I think you might be mistaking any Dem "concern" with the media "concern"/blitz that we have all been exposed to since her selection. The media couldn't be happier with McCain's selection. Imagine, Palin is a relative nobody, and the first media outlet/person that gets to unleash a "September Surprise" about her will have pulled off a major "feat." And over the last few days, its almost as though its the media that is in the drivers seat for this election season....neither candidate is on message, neither candidate is on offense.

but color me surprised.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
She should go right after the press, especially on the sexism issue....

If Palin plays this right she could pick up a LOT of independent female voters.

You're a joke.

You claim she's being treated in a sexist manner, and then advocate that independent women vote for her just because she's a woman.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile

Is it truly because there is small chance that a conservative home-maker may finally break that last glass ceiling instead of a true feminist like Hillary?

We're almost done with the Bushwhackos' corrupt Department of (In)Justice dominated by brain dead fundamentalist wingnuts. We don't need another administration pushing the same agenda, including idiots who pimp teaching creationism in public schools.

Ignoring the obvious trashy fringe crap about her personal choices, the credible stories about her questionable actions in office raise serious questions about McShame's own thinking and judgment in selecting her as a running mate.

 

[OrByte]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think a lot of it really has to do with the fact that she is 'different' than the media and Washington elite.

She hunts, is a life long member of NRA, goes to church and has strong religious beliefs. The people in Washington look at her as if she is some type of alien. My god she has never even been on Meet the Press!!!!!! OMG the horrors!!!!!

I hope she takes time tonight to respond to the double standard and sexist response her nominated has generated. She should go right after the press, especially on the sexism issue.

No one questions if Obama is being a bad dad by bringing his two young children to the White House.
No one questioned if JFK was a poor father for bringing newborn JFK Jr to the White House.
No on questioned if Biden was being a bad dad when he suddenly became a single dad and decided to take his Senate seat instead of spending more time with his kids. In fact, he claims he was encouraged to take his Senate seat.

But now a female wants to take her young family to Washington and it is "OMG what a horrible mother she is!!!!"
If Palin plays this right she could pick up a LOT of independent female voters.

She can pick up alot of the voters that dont give a sh!t. She will not pick up alot of the independent voters that vote on the issues. THey are independent for a reason. Creationsim, pro-life (especially Palin's Pro-life position) and the NRA are more right-wing than center, not attractive to the independent/middle.

All anyone really has to do is tie McCain and Palin to those three "values" and they will lose any independent voter momentum.

McCain knows this, he is trying to solidify his core/base. With that said he made the right choice with Palin, but don't for a second think that Palin appeals strongly to the independent middle.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think a lot of it really has to do with the fact that she is 'different' than the media and Washington elite.

She hunts, is a life long member of NRA, goes to church and has strong religious beliefs. The people in Washington look at her as if she is some type of alien. My god she has never even been on Meet the Press!!!!!! OMG the horrors!!!!!

I hope she takes time tonight to respond to the double standard and sexist response her nominated has generated. She should go right after the press, especially on the sexism issue.

No one questions if Obama is being a bad dad by bringing his two young children to the White House.
No one questioned if JFK was a poor father for bringing newborn JFK Jr to the White House.
No on questioned if Biden was being a bad dad when he suddenly became a single dad and decided to take his Senate seat instead of spending more time with his kids. In fact, he claims he was encouraged to take his Senate seat.

But now a female wants to take her young family to Washington and it is "OMG what a horrible mother she is!!!!"
If Palin plays this right she could pick up a LOT of independent female voters.

You're implying that all the objections to her are because of issues like this, which simply isn't the case.

FWIW, I don't think I am being sexist - I thought it was poor judgment for Edwards to run for President due to his family demands, particularly if his wife's condition worsened, and I also think it shows questionable judgment for Palin to run for VP with a 5-month-old with Downs' Syndrome and 4 other kids, and don't love the fact that she has deliberately turned her 17-year-old into America's most famous inseminated teen to further her own political career. The reality is that all politicians on this big stage have to make these kinds of choices, but there's no question she is willing to sacrifice her family's well-being in favor of her political stature.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
No one questions if Obama is being a bad dad by bringing his two young children to the White House.
No one questioned if JFK was a poor father for bringing newborn JFK Jr to the White House.
No on questioned if Biden was being a bad dad when he suddenly became a single dad and decided to take his Senate seat instead of spending more time with his kids. In fact, he claims he was encouraged to take his Senate seat.

But now a female wants to take her young family to Washington and it is "OMG what a horrible mother she is!!!!"

Are you daft? The only reason people attacked her parenting was because her teenage daugter got pregnant out of wedlock. It has fuck all to do with her going off to Washington... I'm not even endorsing that viewpoint, mind you; I don't think parents can ever have full control of their offspring, certainly not at 17. But you are completely misrepresenting the (stupid) argument that people made, turning it into an unabashedly false accusation of sexism. If Obama's child was pregnant out of wedlock, maybe you'd have a basis for comparison. Then again, Obama doesn't favor abstinence-only education...

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: badnewcastle
It's because they know Paulin is a serious threat to Obama loosing.

yup

Nope. As was said above, McCain just opened up a large weakness. People have been waiting for one for awhile, and they pounced on it. Being that she's hot she would have gotten a bunch of attention anyway, but the fact that she has all these ridiculous stories in her background makes all that attention negative.

Like I said the day I heard it, an exceedingly poor VP choice.

Nope, it's not a weakness at all. She's no "weaker" than BHO and probably better/more experienced in some areas. So if she brings weakness as a 2nd - what does that say about your D ticket?

It doesn't say anything. Obama's campaign does not rely on his experience to paint a compelling reason to vote for him. McCain's does. This move has been widely viewed as a ham handed attempt to pander to women, and that makes McCain look bad. In order for it not to have been viewed that way you would have needed a particularly qualified candidate, and he didn't nominate one. Amazingly enough you can make Obama look bad when you base the qualifications for candidacy on what the opposition party tells you they are. Bravo.

This isn't even a question of policies or governance. (although she's pretty awful in both of those too). This was a basic, fundamental, tactical political error on McCain's part. He foolishly gambled on a candidate that he appears not to have sufficiently vetted beforehand. Looks like it's backfired.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

To paraphrase a an old saying: "Doths that protest to loudly, have something to fear"

This is some bizarre paraphrasing of "the lady doth protest too much." You do know that "doth" is a verb (meaning "does"), not a noun, right?

CC certainly has an interesting take on the English language.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

To paraphrase a an old saying: "Doths that protest to loudly, have something to fear"

This is some bizarre paraphrasing of "the lady doth protest too much." You do know that "doth" is a verb (meaning "does"), not a noun, right?

CC certainly has an interesting take on the English language.

you think he meant Goths???

 

[Moonbeam]

It doesn't say anything. Obama's campaign does not rely on his experience to paint a compelling reason to vote for him. McCain's does. This move has been widely viewed as a ham handed attempt to pander to women, and that makes McCain look bad. In order for it not to have been viewed that way you would have needed a particularly qualified candidate, and he didn't nominate one. Amazingly enough you can make Obama look bad when you base the qualifications for candidacy on what the opposition party tells you they are. Bravo.

This isn't even a question of policies or governance. (although she's pretty awful in both of those too). This was a basic, fundamental, tactical political error on McCain's part. He foolishly gambled on a candidate that he appears not to have sufficiently vetted beforehand. Looks like it's backfired.

But one can try to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. A Republican sow's ear is beautiful to a Republican. Where there's a will to believe one can believe anything.

 

[BurnItDwn]

For one, she has a history of trying to ban books and then fire librarians that disagree with her. She just seems a bit too Orwellian IMO...

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: Farang
The pregnancy is not relevant to why this choice should outrage Americans and I don't know why you'd bring it up.

To distract attention from her real problems.

You might want to mention that to your leftie pals who seem to be fascinated with the discussion of her "pregnancy" her daughters pregnancy, what O'Reilly thinks about it, etc.

Oh please, you "might want to mention" Palin and the McCain campaign wanted her story and her role as a mother to be central to their campaign narrative, and now they are feeling the backlash from that. When they decided to run Palin on "character" and "biography", they accepted the risk of increased scrutiny on those aspects of her life.

The McCain campaign and it's surrogates have cited her motherhood as one of the main reasons she is qualified for vp. They are putting her children and her role as a mother front and center in this campaign. How do we not address it along with the fact that she is utterly unqualified for the position?


If you can't stand the heat...

 

[OrByte]

Im reading about how McCain's latest ads feature Palin vs Obama.

Did he forget he is the Republican elected candidate for POTUS?

Obama's camp needs to come out and remind everyone that it is McCain on the ballot for President, not Palin, much to the chagrine of the conservative base.

McCain made his ticket more conservative, but he still has to deal with distancing himself from GWB to attract the voting block that will decide the election. The indy/middle.

Even the GOP delegation at the convention (recently polled to support GWB at ~80%) are going to have to cut McCain some slack when he tries to build a bridge to the middle.

Palin was good for the 'base'. McCain still doesnt have an answer on how to reach the middle.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: ayabe
Well let's start at the top.

She's just flat out unqualified

Well, if she's "flat out unqualified" to be the VP, then Obama -- who is equally unqualified -- is not a suitable candidate for president, right?

Care to justify that statement?

Palin has a journalism degree, not even a masters, isn't a constitutional scholar, has only traveled outside the country once, has never once thought about Iraq except to say that God wants us there.

Yes, she is exponentially less qualified than Obama on all fronts.

Guess you guys don't have any ammo to respond to anything else I said, because it's true and only adds weight that she's a fucking joke and an embarrassment to the Republican party which prides itself on being so "in control" and masters of foreign policy.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: ayabe
Well let's start at the top.

She's just flat out unqualified

Well, if she's "flat out unqualified" to be the VP, then Obama -- who is equally unqualified -- is not a suitable candidate for president, right?

Care to justify that statement?

Palin has a journalism degree, not even a masters, isn't a constitutional scholar, has only traveled outside the country once, has never once thought about Iraq except to say that God wants us there.

Yes, she is exponentially less qualified than Obama on all fronts.

Guess you guys don't have any ammo to respond to anything else I said, because it's true and only adds weight that she's a fucking joke and an embarrassment to the Republican party which prides itself on being so "in control" and masters of foreign policy.

It doesn't matter, McCain was a POW so he has enough experience for them both.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: ayabe
Well let's start at the top.

She's just flat out unqualified

Well, if she's "flat out unqualified" to be the VP, then Obama -- who is equally unqualified -- is not a suitable candidate for president, right?

Care to justify that statement?

Palin has a journalism degree, not even a masters, isn't a constitutional scholar, has only traveled outside the country once, has never once thought about Iraq except to say that God wants us there.

Yes, she is exponentially less qualified than Obama on all fronts.

Guess you guys don't have any ammo to respond to anything else I said, because it's true and only adds weight that she's a fucking joke and an embarrassment to the Republican party which prides itself on being so "in control" and masters of foreign policy.

It doesn't matter, McCain was a POW so he has enough experience for them both.

LOL and next they're going to trot out that because Alaska is near Russia, that means she has international experience.

Well, I've been near Cuba on a sailboat, I guess that means I could be the ambassador to Cuba.

Her supposed "strengths" that were unveiled on Day 1 have all evaporated under scrutiny, but I think the "reformer" image is my favorite among those currently in flames.

She managed to secure $4,000 in earmarks per person for that craptastic little town fiefdom she created, three cheers for her, :brokenheart:

 

[Genx87]

Liberals are apparently afraid of good looking conserative women.

 

[Starbuck1975]

At least Obama didn't pick his VP mostly to buy votes. If he wanted to do that he would have picked Hilary. He lost a lot of potential votes by not picking her.

You can't quantify that assertion. Obama stood to lose as many, if not more votes by picking Clinton...but no one will explore that what-if scenario unless Obama loses the election.

I also think you are stretching to assume that McCain picked Palin simply to buy votes...this is the first election in recent memory where the electorate and the media is so obsessed with the VP choices...McCain chose Palin to stabilize the Republican base, with the added benefit of having Romney, Guliani, and now probably Mike Huckabee all actively campaigning for their ticket.

Again, it is not fear. Palin is becoming more and more clear by the day. It's just a matter of time before enough of her supporters realize that she is just business as usual. Hell, enough of them may believe that already. There is nothing to fear. There is only discussion to be had.

Given the knee jerk reaction to her selection, I would contend otherwise...perhaps not overt fear, but definitely concern.

And what is becoming clearer by the day? None of the "controversies" surrounding Palin will stick once we get into debate season. Her impact will largely depend on how well she stands ground against Biden.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: jman19

Originally posted by: Don Vito Corleone

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

To paraphrase a an old saying: "Doths that protest to loudly, have something to fear"

This is some bizarre paraphrasing of "the lady doth protest too much." You do know that "doth" is a verb (meaning "does"), not a noun, right?

CC certainly has an interesting take on the English language.

Punch drunk - Don Vito was able to decipher what I was implying.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: OrByte
Im reading about how McCain's latest ads feature Palin vs Obama.

Did he forget he is the Republican elected candidate for POTUS?

Obama's camp needs to come out and remind everyone that it is McCain on the ballot for President, not Palin, much to the chagrine of the conservative base.

somewhere along the line, the whole experience thing got turned into Palin v Obama with a mix of ageism thrown in... probably because they can't compare McCain's legislative experience versus Obama's.

McCain made his ticket more conservative, but he still has to deal with distancing himself from GWB to attract the voting block that will decide the election. The indy/middle.

totally agree... if McCain doesn't attempt to use at least part of his convention speech to distance himself from Bush, he's done imo.

I'd really like to hear a line about how disastrous the consequences were the last time we had a single party in control of the entire government as well.

 

[First]

You should ask the American voters. Since Palin was selected on Friday McCain has dropped like a iron log in shallow water;

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...s_obama-225.html#polls
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08.htm

 

[Ballatician]

Has anyone posted about her church's views? I read some story about her anti-Jewish preacher and seeing how important Jeremiah Wright was in people judging Obama, I'm surprised it hasn't been made a bigger deal.