I didn't say my "Opinion" is "Superior" or even the stance that us over here in the West say about it.
It is strictly an opinion held over here. As long as we stay separate there is no problem.
That was my point about the U.S. trying to invade and expell our ideals on the rest of the world, it would certainly destroy your opinion of what is OK as far as punishment over there.
Part of Democracy and Freedom is being able to express the opinion that those punishments by your Country or Singapore is Barbaric. You just have to accept that just as we have to accept and respect your Country opinion and rights that that punishment is OK.
See, should've put me up for the Democratic Candidate instead of Kerry.
You want to try that again? You lost me after that first statement when we suddenly slipped into bizzarro world.
Pliablemoose
Lifer
- Oct 11, 1999
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They didnt? So they liked saddam with all his torture chaimbers and rapes and all that good stuff? That just proves they are dumber than rocks and dont deserve our help.
This is a stupid point to argue. The people in the Eastern nations think of many actions in the US as barbaric, like I think imprisoning a person for 80 years is totally barbaric.
The question I am asking all the Islam/Muslim bashers is with over a Million Muslims killed in the past 20 years, how do you still attribute terrorism to that faith? Seems like Muslims have suffered the worse terrorism than any others.
True, but the American soldiers needed to proudly display the perverted, sick, uncivilized and barbaric nature of Americans like you so they did it their way.
Dont you live in america? If you hate it so much get out. Im sure we can find better uses for your welfare checks.
At least we try to help these backwards fvcks but apparently they are either dumb or just enjoy being enslaved by dictators/religious freaks.
Abu Ghraib doesnt prove crap. It was one incident and it was dealt with.
At least we try to help these backwards fvcks but apparently they are either dumb or just enjoy being enslaved by dictators/religious freaks.
Abu Ghraib doesnt prove crap. It was one incident and it was dealt with.
TastesLikeChicken
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- Sep 12, 2004
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Hmmm, well let's compare.
1. Muslim Turkey has expelled approximately 1,500,000 Greeks from its empire in the east and replaced them with Turks. They have massacred approximately 2 million Armenians and replaced them with Turks in the west.
2. Muslim Turkey has invaded and occupied northern Cyprus, displacing the Greeks living there.
3. Muslim northern Sudan has conquered much of southern Sudan, literally enslaving its Christian and pagan population.
4. Indonesian imperialism has occupied all of non-Islamic western New Guinea and incorporated into Indonesia.
5. Muslim Indonesia has invaded and conquered Christian East Timor with horrible loss of life.
6. This very day, Muslim Indonesia is attempting to destroy Christianity in what used to be called the Celebes.
7. A half-dozen Arab countries have fought two to four wars (depending how you count) in an attempt to destroy Israel and occupy its territory, and is currently continuing the attempt this very day with the publicly voted consent of 55 of the world's 57 Islamic nations.
8. For no good reason, Muslim Libya has blown up western aircraft, killing many civilians.
9. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist war of aggression, invaded and occupied Muslim Kuwait.
10. Muslim Iraq, in an imperialist act of aggression, invaded Muslim Iran with a resulting (some estimates say) death of 2 million people.
11. Muslim Albania, this very minute, is attempting to enlarge its borders at Christian Macedonia's expense.
12. Muslim Northern Nigeria has been (and is currently) an aggressor against the Christian south.
13. Muslims expelled approximately 800,000 Jews from their homelands between 1947 and 1955.
14. During Jordan's occupation of the West Bank, the kingdom undertook an unsuccessful attempt to make Jerusalem a Muslim city by forcing out approximately 10,000 Christian inhabitants.
My list beats your list.
It can just as easily be shown that Muslims are terrorists by citing examples of their brutal and murderous advances on various nations. Around the world Muslims are currently attempting to install Islam into governments including Sudan, Bangladesh, and Chechnya, just to name a few of the better known ones. Sure, these are primarily Islamo-fascists but nowhere have moderate Muslims stood up, in force, and told their insane brethren "Enough is enough!" By acting that way they are giving tacit, unspoken support to the Islamo-fascists. That makes people in the west, like me, believe all Muslims are in cahoots to take over the world with Islam. That would make sense as it's a tenet of the Muslim religion to do just that.
Now prove to me that's not their intent and that's not happening and you'll convince me there's no reason for the US to be intervening in the ME right now. So far, nobody has been able to show me anything contrary to my belief.
TuxDave
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Choice A) Sexually abuse prisoners
Choice B) Chop the heads off prisoners
I dunno what country y'all come from but I prefer the answer of
C) None of the above
There's no justifications for what happened in Abu Gharib. It was wrong and it is shameful that it happened. It's immature to say "But... look what THEY did.... why can't WE do something bad too?" The people who beheaded hostages are hated too, so don't think that it's unfair treatment to say that the people at Abu Gharib are messed up in the head.
Edit: But it is a good point. If you think all Muslims behead prisoners because of those videos, then it's equally fair for you to accept that all Americans sexually abuse their prisoners.
Ooooohhh, you mean like burning people alive and hanging their parts from bridges.
Or, taping their beheadings in video detail and releasing them on the internet.
I see where you're coming from now.
Then again, no I don't.
Sure they are but they didnt kill anyone. A few naked pictures are nothing compared to having your head slowly ripped off with a dull knife.
A few naked pictures? What about the Israeli Jews and the Palestinian Muslims? No one explains why we're in Iraq in the first place. And why the Muslims and the rest of the world see us as being biased in favor of Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:
Iraq War Launched to Protect Israel - Bush Advisor
Emad Mekay
Iraq under Saddam Hussein did not pose a threat to the United States but it did to Israel, which is one reason why Washington invaded the Arab country, according to a speech made by a member of a top-level White House intelligence group.
WASHINGTON, Mar 29 (IPS) - IPS uncovered the remarks by Philip Zelikow, who is now the executive director of the body set up to investigate the terrorist attacks on the United States in September 2001 -- the 9/11 commission -- in which he suggests a prime motive for the invasion just over one year ago was to eliminate a threat to Israel, a staunch U.S. ally in the Middle East.
Zelikow's casting of the attack on Iraq as one launched to protect Israel appears at odds with the public position of President George W. Bush and his administration, which has never overtly drawn the link between its war on the regime of former president Hussein and its concern for Israel's security.
The administration has instead insisted it launched the war to liberate the Iraqi people, destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and to protect the United States.
Zelikow made his statements about ?the unstated threat? during his tenure on a highly knowledgeable and well-connected body known as the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB), which reports directly to the president.
He served on the board between 2001 and 2003.
?Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat (is) and actually has been since 1990 -- it's the threat against Israel,? Zelikow told a crowd at the University of Virginia on Sep. 10, 2002, speaking on a panel of foreign policy experts assessing the impact of 9/11 and the future of the war on the al-Qaeda terrorist organisation.
?And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don't care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell,? said Zelikow.
The statements are the first to surface from a source closely linked to the Bush administration acknowledging that the war, which has so far cost the lives of nearly 600 U.S. troops and thousands of Iraqis, was motivated by Washington's desire to defend the Jewish state.
Source: Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
http://www.ipsnews.net/africa/interna.asp?idnews=23078
General Anthony Zinni Blames Neoconservatives And Says Their Iraq Course 'Headed Over Niagara Falls'
But, don?t take what I say at face value. Listen to the words of retired General Anthony Zinni --- no nitwit he. From 1997 to 2000, he was commander-in-chief of the U.S. Central Command. He was in charge of all American troops in the Middle East.
Following Gen. Zinni?s retirement from the Marine Corps, the Bush Administration thought so much of him that he was appointed their special envoy to the Middle East. In mid-March of 2002, President Bush said that he and Vice President D. Cheney ?both trust? Gen. Zinni. In this same month and year, Vice President Cheney called him ?a superb officer.? And in late May of this year, even after the interview I?m about to tell you about, White House press spokesman Scott McClellan said: ?We have great respect for General Zinni.?
?In one article--because I mentioned the neo-conservatives, who describe themselves as neo-conservatives, I was called anti-Semitic. I mean, you know, unbelievable that that's the kind of personal attacks that are run when you criticize a strategy of those that propose it. I certainly didn't criticize who they were. I certainly don't know what their ethnic religious backgrounds are. And I'm not interested. I know what strategy they promoted, and openly, and for a number of years, and what they have convinced the president and the secretary to do. And I don't believe there is any serious political leader, military leader, diplomat in Washington that doesn't know where it came from.?
For all of this, Gen. Zinni blames ?the civilian leadership of the Pentagon directly? and others who are so-called neoconservatives. These individuals include Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith, former Defense policy board member Richard Perle, National Security Council member Eliot Abrams, and Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis Scooter Libby. He believes these persons are political ideologues who have hijacked American policy in Iraq. And they advocated an invasion of Iraq to, among other things, strengthen the position of Israel.
Source: http://www.peroutka2004.com/sc...tview&event_id=234
Iraq War Launched to Protect Israel - Bush Advisor
Emad Mekay
Iraq under Saddam Hussein did not pose a threat to the United States but it did to Israel, which is one reason why Washington invaded the Arab country, according to a speech made by a member of a top-level White House intelligence group.
WASHINGTON, Mar 29 (IPS) - IPS uncovered the remarks by Philip Zelikow, who is now the executive director of the body set up to investigate the terrorist attacks on the United States in September 2001 -- the 9/11 commission -- in which he suggests a prime motive for the invasion just over one year ago was to eliminate a threat to Israel, a staunch U.S. ally in the Middle East.
Zelikow's casting of the attack on Iraq as one launched to protect Israel appears at odds with the public position of President George W. Bush and his administration, which has never overtly drawn the link between its war on the regime of former president Hussein and its concern for Israel's security.
The administration has instead insisted it launched the war to liberate the Iraqi people, destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and to protect the United States.
Zelikow made his statements about ?the unstated threat? during his tenure on a highly knowledgeable and well-connected body known as the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB), which reports directly to the president.
He served on the board between 2001 and 2003.
?Why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us? I'll tell you what I think the real threat (is) and actually has been since 1990 -- it's the threat against Israel,? Zelikow told a crowd at the University of Virginia on Sep. 10, 2002, speaking on a panel of foreign policy experts assessing the impact of 9/11 and the future of the war on the al-Qaeda terrorist organisation.
?And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don't care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn't want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell,? said Zelikow.
The statements are the first to surface from a source closely linked to the Bush administration acknowledging that the war, which has so far cost the lives of nearly 600 U.S. troops and thousands of Iraqis, was motivated by Washington's desire to defend the Jewish state.
Source: Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States
http://www.ipsnews.net/africa/interna.asp?idnews=23078
General Anthony Zinni Blames Neoconservatives And Says Their Iraq Course 'Headed Over Niagara Falls'
But, don?t take what I say at face value. Listen to the words of retired General Anthony Zinni --- no nitwit he. From 1997 to 2000, he was commander-in-chief of the U.S. Central Command. He was in charge of all American troops in the Middle East.
Following Gen. Zinni?s retirement from the Marine Corps, the Bush Administration thought so much of him that he was appointed their special envoy to the Middle East. In mid-March of 2002, President Bush said that he and Vice President D. Cheney ?both trust? Gen. Zinni. In this same month and year, Vice President Cheney called him ?a superb officer.? And in late May of this year, even after the interview I?m about to tell you about, White House press spokesman Scott McClellan said: ?We have great respect for General Zinni.?
?In one article--because I mentioned the neo-conservatives, who describe themselves as neo-conservatives, I was called anti-Semitic. I mean, you know, unbelievable that that's the kind of personal attacks that are run when you criticize a strategy of those that propose it. I certainly didn't criticize who they were. I certainly don't know what their ethnic religious backgrounds are. And I'm not interested. I know what strategy they promoted, and openly, and for a number of years, and what they have convinced the president and the secretary to do. And I don't believe there is any serious political leader, military leader, diplomat in Washington that doesn't know where it came from.?
For all of this, Gen. Zinni blames ?the civilian leadership of the Pentagon directly? and others who are so-called neoconservatives. These individuals include Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith, former Defense policy board member Richard Perle, National Security Council member Eliot Abrams, and Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis Scooter Libby. He believes these persons are political ideologues who have hijacked American policy in Iraq. And they advocated an invasion of Iraq to, among other things, strengthen the position of Israel.
Source: http://www.peroutka2004.com/sc...tview&event_id=234
Thats because we are biased. Muslims attacked israel right after it was formed and continued to attack it by funding terrorist organizations. Now lets see should we support the country that is defending itself or the religious fanatics who are trying to destroy it.
Last I looked, the Abu Grhaib folks are being court martialed and will probably go to jail. Let me know when the muslims get around to picking up their criminals and punishing them rather than cheering for them.
hahaha, good job picking it up from CBN News
Next time try to come up with something more original. While NONE of this disproves the Muslim suffering of the past 20 years, let me correct some points...
Read more about Turkish invasion of Greek Cyprus here: BBC Link As you can read, the coup led to fears among the Turkish Cypriot community that the Greek-backed military rulers would ignore their rights and press for unification for Cyprus with Greece or enosis.
Just in Al-Quds, over 3 million Muslims live under Israel control who basically restrict the Muslim community with curfews, road blocks, etc, for 20000 Israelis. That alone beats your list by a wide margin.
Most of our your other references are almost 50 years old. Try to put some more work into your posts and not just copy paste of a website, specially not the CHRISTIAN BROADCASTING NETWORK.
What a joke. Pathetic
I think you live in a hole like Saddams. Re-read the news. They DID kill a number of inmates. Stop posting fool
Emm, what? 8 years for murder in the prison is the maximum punishment? Stop lying to yourself and the world.
By the way, many Al-Qaeda operatives in the US' custody, like Mr. Omar Sheikh were apprehended by Muslims. So stop talking crap.
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