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Sultan

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Originally posted by: ajf3
It's just all a part of globalism, and that's good right?

Fact is, most muslim/islamic countries have cultures that are barbaric by civilized peoples standards. Come on, you have Saddam (insert religous leader/dictator here) over there cutting off limbs, exterminating large parts of their population, opressing/raping women, throwing people into shredders, etc. By any standard that counts, he's evil. The Iraqi people have had decades to get rid of him, but have either been unable or unmotivated to do so.

Excuse me, but I dont see American culture as very civilized. Thirteen year olds having BJ parties, highest rate of rape, racial riots (Rodney King), one lying President who had extra-marital sex, another lying President who invaded a country, killing a thousand of our own troops is not civilized by any stretch of imagination.

Come on, you have Saddam who our US government supported, provided arms, and even the technology to produce biological weapons, and then you call him evil? If the Iraqi people wanted to get rid of him, they'd have picked up arms, just like they have against the most powerful military in the world. Wake up from your fanstasy land.

As these countries/groups are elevated to the top of the list either through strategic importance to the 1st world nations, or by provoking us one time too many, the same thing will happen.

Yeah, very good :roll: This posture is sure to build bridges across the world. I'm pretty sure the US would make another blunder and cause deaths of a thousand soldiers :roll:

What the citizenry has to do is to get with the program - you're either with us or against us. Either way, change is coming to a backwater desert near you.

Well, I dont want to speak for the Middle Easterners, but they'd probably say, come on over, we showed you how we can deal with you in Iraq, we'll show you how we can deal with you elsewhere. If you're so into this program, why dont you volunteer for the Army? Big mouth, no actions.

Gotta admit... Germany, Japan, Italy, etc are all better off since they were nudged in the 'right' direction.

In all the above cases, the countries you mentioned attacked the US. Not so with Iraq. So your premise is wrong.
:roll:
 

faiznne

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Originally posted by: AEB
Most muslims hate america because of what we stand for. freedom, equality, and choice. they believe women are inferior, americans are infadels, and things like that. America is the most accepting country in the world

That is a lie. They hate us mainly because of our biased policy in the Middle East. We favor Israel greatly over Palestine. And the whole world sees that except Americans. Why do you think only Israel and the U.S. are being targeted for suicide attacks?

Attack on 9/11 = Suicide bombers in Israel

The Muslims could care less about our McDonald's, a woman's right to choose, Wal-Mart, and our "freedoms."
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: AEB
Most muslims hate america because of what we stand for. freedom, equality, and choice. they believe women are inferior, americans are infadels, and things like that. America is the most accepting country in the world

LOL.

Since when have we every stood for equality, or choice, or for that matter freedom? Since when have americans been accepting? Do you mean when we were discriminating against indians, orientals, catholics, hispanics, etc? When we had immigration quotas that heavily favored white protestants? Muslims and everyone else don't hate us because we believe some rhetoric about our country having "equality" or "freedom" or "choice", but instead because we fvck over the rest of the world whenever we please and then expect them to love us and worship us and our ways. [/rant]
 

Sultan

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Easy on the personal front you two.

It may not be Terrorism to kill a daughter for infidelity but it is certainly Barbaric.

That is an opionion by this side of the planet and that will stay that way.

Not holding life to the highest regard certainly does border on on being Terrorism however you folks certainly have the right to do what you like in your Country.

That is what makes the two Cultures and Countries different.

I can see Muslim Countries that have this kind of "punishment" fearing having the U.S. come in and take over their Country because that would be the end of their way of snuffing out life for such things as infidelity

You have again picked and chosen from my post. Any adult male OR female gound guilty of infidelity is punishable. Period. Not a son or a daughter.

Singapore has capital punishment for carrying dope. Are they barbaric? No.

The issue is most Americans need an enemy to rally around, the scare tactics of the government. Before it was communism, now it is Islam. And now that is ingrained within the American mindset.
 

dahunan

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Take that bullsh!t out of your FIRST sentence and you might get some respect... I will not read past that line..and I am sure many others will not either.
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: TravisT
I pull out this quote again:

"It's not that all muslim's are terrorists, it is that all the terrorists we're fighting in Iraq right now claim to be muslim."

I will respond to you with a quote you should understand:

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Take that bullsh!t out of your FIRST sentence and you might get some respect... I will not read past that line..and I am sure many others will not either.

as i said, that phrase is used for the Islam/Muslim bashers... and since they have thrown plenty of dirt on the religion and its followers, this simple insult is not even close to being even.
 

dahunan

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You may want to find a more tactful way to express that feeling and NOT in the first line of your post ;)
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Sultan
Easy on the personal front you two.

It may not be Terrorism to kill a daughter for infidelity but it is certainly Barbaric.

That is an opionion by this side of the planet and that will stay that way.

Not holding life to the highest regard certainly does border on on being Terrorism however you folks certainly have the right to do what you like in your Country.

That is what makes the two Cultures and Countries different.

I can see Muslim Countries that have this kind of "punishment" fearing having the U.S. come in and take over their Country because that would be the end of their way of snuffing out life for such things as infidelity

You have again picked and chosen from my post. Any adult male OR female gound guilty of infidelity is punishable. Period. Not a son or a daughter.

Singapore has capital punishment for carrying dope. Are they barbaric? No.

The issue is most Americans need an enemy to rally around, the scare tactics of the government. Before it was communism, now it is Islam. And now that is ingrained within the American mindset.

While I agree on harsh penalties to deter crime and even death for Murderers, it is Barbaric to kill dope pushers. Killing humans over an inanimate object, rediculous.


 

TravisT

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Sultan, okay, and?

That didn't rebut my statement at all. I have nothing against people of the muslim faith at all. Even though I do disagree with your quote in the sense that it makes the assumption that everyone there feels we are the terrorists.

Don't get me wrong, things in Iraq right now aren't picture perfect, but assuming we hate muslims because we went to Iraq isn't only absurd, it is stupid.
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Sultan
Easy on the personal front you two.

It may not be Terrorism to kill a daughter for infidelity but it is certainly Barbaric.

That is an opionion by this side of the planet and that will stay that way.

Not holding life to the highest regard certainly does border on on being Terrorism however you folks certainly have the right to do what you like in your Country.

That is what makes the two Cultures and Countries different.

I can see Muslim Countries that have this kind of "punishment" fearing having the U.S. come in and take over their Country because that would be the end of their way of snuffing out life for such things as infidelity

You have again picked and chosen from my post. Any adult male OR female gound guilty of infidelity is punishable. Period. Not a son or a daughter.

Singapore has capital punishment for carrying dope. Are they barbaric? No.

The issue is most Americans need an enemy to rally around, the scare tactics of the government. Before it was communism, now it is Islam. And now that is ingrained within the American mindset.

While I agree on harsh penalties to deter crime and even death for Murderers, it is Barbaric to kill dope pushers. Killing humans over an inanimate object, rediculous.

That is your opinion. The nation of Singapore differs. As do most Muslims regarding your other opinion. So why do you have to insist that YOUR opinion is superior to everyone else's?

You can not accept the opinion of others, that is your right. But to term it barbaric based on your own opinion is wrong.
 
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Originally posted by: AEB
Most muslims hate america because of what we stand for. freedom, equality, and choice. they believe women are inferior, americans are infadels, and things like that. America is the most accepting country in the world

Wow, someone here actually fell for the spinning hte US governemtn does. You actually believe that?

I like how people listen to the hype the US governement spews at us when you can listen to EXACTLY why muslims hate us. ALl it takes is listening to translated Al Quaeda tapes. And if one actually does this, it's not because we believe in freedom, etc.
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: TravisT
Sultan, okay, and?

That didn't rebut my statement at all. I have nothing against people of the muslim faith at all. Even though I do disagree with your quote in the sense that it makes the assumption that everyone there feels we are the terrorists.

Don't get me wrong, things in Iraq right now aren't picture perfect, but assuming we hate muslims because we went to Iraq isn't only absurd, it is stupid.

well, then this post was NOT for you. It is for plenty of other AT P&N posters who do nothing but advocate hatred towards Muslims, suggest killing of all Middle Easterners and preaching complete rubbish about the religion.

You dont have to agree with my quote, but to label all those fighting in Iraq against the US forces as terrorists, which many in the media as well as general populace do is beyond stupidity.
 

TBone77

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Originally posted by: alchemize
So who is the terrorist now?

I would classify any father who would willingly murder a son/daughter (and probably only the daughter) for infidelity as a radical islamic fundatmental terrorist, even if he's only terrorizing his own family. Sounds like preaching of hatred and violence to me.

I would characterize someone who refuses to acknowledge Osama Bin Laden's orchestration of 9/11 a supporter of terrorism.

So, in my opinion, and based on your logic, you are the terrorist.


What he said ^^^
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: AEB
Most muslims hate america because of what we stand for. freedom, equality, and choice. they believe women are inferior, americans are infadels, and things like that. America is the most accepting country in the world

Wow, someone here actually fell for the spinning hte US governemtn does. You actually believe that?

I like how people listen to the hype the US governement spews at us when you can listen to EXACTLY why muslims hate us. ALl it takes is listening to translated Al Quaeda tapes. And if one actually does this, it's not because we believe in freedom, etc.

Disregarding your first assumption, that Muslims hate America, I want to add that Al-Qaeda does not speak for Muslims. Therefore your assumption that they can tell you exactly why Muslims hate America is also false
 

TuxDave

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Originally posted by: TBone77
Originally posted by: alchemize
So who is the terrorist now?

I would classify any father who would willingly murder a son/daughter (and probably only the daughter) for infidelity as a radical islamic fundatmental terrorist, even if he's only terrorizing his own family. Sounds like preaching of hatred and violence to me.

I would characterize someone who refuses to acknowledge Osama Bin Laden's orchestration of 9/11 a supporter of terrorism.

So, in my opinion, and based on your logic, you are the terrorist.


What he said ^^^

So I guess any Christian who believes in all of Leviticus or Exodus is a terrorist too?
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: TBone77
Originally posted by: alchemize
So who is the terrorist now?

I would classify any father who would willingly murder a son/daughter (and probably only the daughter) for infidelity as a radical islamic fundatmental terrorist, even if he's only terrorizing his own family. Sounds like preaching of hatred and violence to me.

I would characterize someone who refuses to acknowledge Osama Bin Laden's orchestration of 9/11 a supporter of terrorism.

So, in my opinion, and based on your logic, you are the terrorist.


What he said ^^^

A punishment is not a murder. Since my values of fidelity are obviously different than yours, neither do you practice the same religion or are bound by the same laws, your opinion just goes on to show the American mindset of trying to expound values, however decrepit they may be on others. Hey, Im not asking you to kill your son/daughter, so you dont tell me what to do should they commit a crime.

Your second argument is foolish without any evidence whatsoever.

So, in my opinion, based on plain logic, you're a stupid person.

:roll:
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: TBone77
Originally posted by: alchemize
So who is the terrorist now?

I would classify any father who would willingly murder a son/daughter (and probably only the daughter) for infidelity as a radical islamic fundatmental terrorist, even if he's only terrorizing his own family. Sounds like preaching of hatred and violence to me.

I would characterize someone who refuses to acknowledge Osama Bin Laden's orchestration of 9/11 a supporter of terrorism.

So, in my opinion, and based on your logic, you are the terrorist.


What he said ^^^

So I guess any Christian who believes in all of Leviticus or Exodus is a terrorist too?

What he said ^^^
 
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Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Originally posted by: Sultan

if anyone says something about Israel, he/she is an anti-Semite, but if a Muslim tries to defend his/her religion and people, they're terrorists apologists

And in your case:

if anyone says something about Muslims he/she is anti-muslim, but if a Jew tries to defend his/her religion and people, they're ignoring the JUSTIFICATIONS that Muslims use when commiting terrorist crimes.

what a spin to my words... i dont see any of the above anywhere in my original post, I never even mentioned Jews.... ridiculous :roll:

Hmm, I wonder who you were talking about when you said "anti-semite"?
Protestants???

:confused:

You then go on to justify suicide bombings by comparing a single act of stupidty and evil to that of a crime that is celebrated, encouraged and tolerated that involves the death of innocent women, children and civilians.

Muslims are not hated by everyone, in fact I do not know one person that has ever said anything bad about Muslim people as a whole. In fact, in my personal experiences, Muslims are much like every other culture. Strong family values, respect and a hard work ethic. The extremist nature of some of them does deserve extreme scrutiny and disguest. The way women are treated in Iran and under the Taliban should not be ignored. The fact that 19 extremist worked for 2 years on killing thousands of civilians deserves a second look. Muslim gangs that roam through France insulting, beating up and harrassing Jews needs to be looked at. The world can not ignore these problems, because if left unchecked, Sept 11th can be drawfed in comparison to the next attack. It doesn't make us racist towards Muslim people as whole. Because the people that behead civilians and chant death to America have no regard to human life, much less than we have. If they had a nuclear bomb in their possession they would not hesitate to detonate themselves and a million other people.

Civilian casualties are an acceptable part of war .... Didn't our governemtn say that about some of those bombs that missed iraqi targets?

No one seems to udnerstand why we are hated. We just assume Muslim extremists are ignorant fvcks, while we are simply being ignorant about our own representives that perform terroist acts (whcih you could argue they in fact are) against Iraq. The war on terrorism. That the war in Iraq. And our leaders say that civilian casualties are acceptable. yet only the Muslim extremists are the terroists in our eyes?

Ignorance is bliss....
 
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Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: ajf3
It's just all a part of globalism, and that's good right?

Fact is, most muslim/islamic countries have cultures that are barbaric by civilized peoples standards. Come on, you have Saddam (insert religous leader/dictator here) over there cutting off limbs, exterminating large parts of their population, opressing/raping women, throwing people into shredders, etc. By any standard that counts, he's evil. The Iraqi people have had decades to get rid of him, but have either been unable or unmotivated to do so.

Excuse me, but I dont see American culture as very civilized. Thirteen year olds having BJ parties, highest rate of rape, racial riots (Rodney King), one lying President who had extra-marital sex, another lying President who invaded a country, killing a thousand of our own troops is not civilized by any stretch of imagination.

Come on, you have Saddam who our US government supported, provided arms, and even the technology to produce biological weapons, and then you call him evil? If the Iraqi people wanted to get rid of him, they'd have picked up arms, just like they have against the most powerful military in the world. Wake up from your fanstasy land.

As these countries/groups are elevated to the top of the list either through strategic importance to the 1st world nations, or by provoking us one time too many, the same thing will happen.

Yeah, very good :roll: This posture is sure to build bridges across the world. I'm pretty sure the US would make another blunder and cause deaths of a thousand soldiers :roll:

What the citizenry has to do is to get with the program - you're either with us or against us. Either way, change is coming to a backwater desert near you.

Well, I dont want to speak for the Middle Easterners, but they'd probably say, come on over, we showed you how we can deal with you in Iraq, we'll show you how we can deal with you elsewhere. If you're so into this program, why dont you volunteer for the Army? Big mouth, no actions.

Gotta admit... Germany, Japan, Italy, etc are all better off since they were nudged in the 'right' direction.

In all the above cases, the countries you mentioned attacked the US. Not so with Iraq. So your premise is wrong.
:roll:

:thumbsup: <-- for your logic
 
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Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
Originally posted by: AEB
Most muslims hate america because of what we stand for. freedom, equality, and choice. they believe women are inferior, americans are infadels, and things like that. America is the most accepting country in the world

Wow, someone here actually fell for the spinning hte US governemtn does. You actually believe that?

I like how people listen to the hype the US governement spews at us when you can listen to EXACTLY why muslims hate us. ALl it takes is listening to translated Al Quaeda tapes. And if one actually does this, it's not because we believe in freedom, etc.

Disregarding your first assumption, that Muslims hate America, I want to add that Al-Qaeda does not speak for Muslims. Therefore your assumption that they can tell you exactly why Muslims hate America is also false

Assuming you are talking to AEB?.?:confused:
 

Mayax

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I'm sorry, maybe I missed something here.

I find it strangely odd that when a Christianity thread arises, we have an endless stream of roaches running on about moronic religion and we hear the praises and virtues of atheism and science.

Yet...

We get a muslim topic going and it's...

"Stop bashing the muslims!"


Yea, ok, whatever.


Glass. Parking. Lot.
 

Yolner

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Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: TravisT
I pull out this quote again:

"It's not that all muslim's are terrorists, it is that all the terrorists we're fighting in Iraq right now claim to be muslim."

I will respond to you with a quote you should understand:

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

That just proves how friggin stupid the majority of the population is down there. Only morons would attack the people who removed a dictator and are trying to set up a democratic government.
 

Sultan

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Originally posted by: Yolner
Originally posted by: Sultan
Originally posted by: TravisT
I pull out this quote again:

"It's not that all muslim's are terrorists, it is that all the terrorists we're fighting in Iraq right now claim to be muslim."

I will respond to you with a quote you should understand:

"Iraqis are fighting against an OCCUPATION force. They are fighting to LIBERATE their nation of occupation. American forces have killed over TEN THOUSAND civilians. Americans are perceived to be the TERRORISTS in Iraq, not the other way round. WE went in, they didnt come to us."

That just proves how friggin stupid the majority of the population is down there. Only morons would attack the people who removed a dictator and are trying to set up a democratic government.

Or maybe you're the moron who doesnt understand that the Iraqis didnt need the American's help :roll:
 

faiznne

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From an article, I wrote a couple of year ago...

Interestingly enough, Islam is much closer to Christianity than Judaism. For instance, Judaism condemns the Virgin Mary as a prostitute and viciously condemns Jesus an evil sorcerer and a bastard. The Talmud even claims Jesus was a sexual pervert who had intercourse relations with his donkey. In stark contrast, although Islam certainly does not share all the Christian views of Jesus Christ, it views Christ as a true prophet of God, virgin-born, and that God resurrected Jesus to Heaven, where he will return to destroy the anti-Christ. Ironically, the chief religious book of Islam, the Qur'an, actually defends Jesus Christ from the obscene slanders made against Him in the Jewish Talmud.

I know that I am shocking many of you who are hearing this for the first time. I am sure some of you are thinking that this cannot be true! I don't blame you for thinking so because many of you have never been told of these facts by the Jewish-dominated media or by the televangelists. So, I will document these things for you right now in the little space I have here.

The Talmud not the Torah (Bible) is the chief authority of Judaism.

Most Christians are under the impression that Judaism is primarily based on the biblical Old Testament. Actually, the ultimate authority for Judaism is not the Bible but on what they call the Babylonian Talmud, a series of writings set down in Babylon in the sixth century after Christ. The American Heritage Dictionary describes the Talmud as "constituting the basis of religious authority for traditional Judaism." The authoritative Universal Jewish Encyclopedia compiled by the leading Rabbinic organizations of the world, makes it very clear that the Talmud, not the Torah or Old Testament, is the supreme authority for Judaism. Thus, the ultimate authority for Orthodoxy is the Babylonian Talmud. The Bible itself ranks second to it in reality, if not in theory. (Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, "Authority," pg. 637)2

What does the Talmud, the chief authority of Judaism, have to say about Jesus Christ?

?Balaam [Jesus] fornicated with his jackass. (Sanhedrin 105a-b)3?
?Jewish priests raised Balaam [Jesus] from the dead and punished him in boiling hot semen. (57a Gittin)4?
?She who was the descendant of princes and governors [The Virgin Mary] played the harlot with a carpenter. (Sanhedrin 106a) [Jesus] was lowered into a pit of dung up to his armpits. Then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound round his neck, and the two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead. (Sanhedrin 52b) 5?


Now obviously, I am not saying that all Jews share this hateful attitude toward Jesus Christ, but the official position of Judaism is defined by the quotations I just read. Obviously, it is important that Jewish groups don't let Christians know the truth about the hateful Judaic attitude toward Jesus Christ. Some Jews seek to deflect Christian criticism by saying that Balaam was not the name that Jews used to denote Christ. Yet, no less a major authority than the Jewish Encyclopedia, an encyclopedia compiled by the leading rabbinic organizations in the world, says that Balaam is the name they use to denote Jesus Christ. Under the heading "Balaam," it says, "?the pseudonym 'Balaam' given to Jesus in Sanhedrin 106b and Gittin 57a."6 Such use of deceptive terms such as "Balaam" was a common practice in the middle ages as Jews tried to disguise their anti-Jesus and anti-Christian hatred from Gentiles who might dare to pry into the Talmud.

Now some Christians might think that these are simply old beliefs of the Jewish religion, and that Judaism might have softened its attitudes toward Jesus Christ and Christians. In fact, these are the formal policies of the Israeli state. In fact, In Jewish schools in Israel it is forbidden to even read from the New Testament gospels or even mention the name of Jesus Christ. It is even a criminal offense in Israel for a Christian to preach the salvation of Jesus Christ to a Jew. Israel so hates the Christian cross that they have specified that elementary schools use a "T" instead of a plus sign because it so resembles the hated Christian cross! The Israeli government has even supported public burnings of the New Testament!

One of the Jews I have most respected, the man to whom I dedicated my book, Jewish Supremacism, is the late Dr. Israel Shahak. He was a holocaust survivor and professor at Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Professor Shahak reported that the Zionists publicly and ceremoniously burned hundreds of copies of the New Testament in Jerusalem on March 23, 1980. They were destroyed under the auspices of Yad Le'akhim, a Jewish religious organization subsidized by the Israeli Ministry of Religions.

Judaism is imbued with a very deep hatred toward Christianity and Islam combined with ignorance about it?

According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority. All classical Jewish sources that mention his execution are quite happy to take responsibility for it; in the Talmudic account, the Romans are not even mentioned. . .

The very name Jesus was for Jews a symbol of all that is abominable, and this popular tradition persists. The Gospels are equally detested, and they are not allowed to be quoted (let alone taught) even in modern Israeli schools. 8

To think that this is the same anti-Christian, Israeli government that some Christian ministers wants us to support with American tax dollars! Dr. Shahak also exposes the vicious hatred against Christians taught to Jewish Children in Israel:

Jewish children are actually taught - passages such as that which commands every Jew, whenever passing near a cemetery, to utter a blessing if it is Jewish, but to curse the mothers of the dead if it is non-Jewish. . . it became customary to spit (usually three times) upon seeing a church or a crucifix ...9

Imagine for a moment if Christians were taught that when they pass Jewish cemeteries they should "curse the mothers of the dead" and that they should spit three times when seeing a synagogue or a Star of David. Would not the media react to that kind of vicious hatred with outrage? Evangelical leaders such as Falwell would forcefully condemn Christians who would utter such vile curses against Jews, but why don't they dare condemn the hatred of Jews who utter vile curses against Christians.

Not only does Israel act against Christianity, so does every major organized Jewish group in the United States. The American Jewish Committee, the ADL (Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Birth) and a host of other Jewish organizations in America have been at the forefront destroying Christian traditions in the United States. They have led the fight, to not only ban simple prayers in school, but also even to prohibit Christmas carols to be sung in schools or in any public facility. They have been the leaders of the movement for legalized abortion, something that every evangelical opposes.

They have been at the forefront of the cultural war that Jewish Hollywood has waged against Christian tradition, belief and ethics. Jews also led early Bolshevism in Russia, which were the greatest suppresser and mass murderer of Christians in the history of the world. The Jewish Bolsheviks murdered millions of Christians. Now, some evangelical leaders such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are urging Christians to financially support Israel and the Jewish supremacist establishment around the world, by far the most powerful enemy of Jesus Christ on the planet.

I would have never thought in a billion years that Islam and the "original" revelation of Christianity were the same message of God, and that the Moslems should be our true allies for peace.


We constantly hear how the biggest enemy of Christianity and America are Moslems. The truth is that although Moslems do not share all Christian beliefs, Islam is far closer to Christianity than Judaism. I already quoted the obscene attacks made on Jesus Christ by the Jewish Talmud. How many American Christians even realize that the Holy Qur'an of Islam actually defends Jesus Christ and His mother Mary from the hateful slanders of Judaism? As I pointed out earlier, the Talmud claims that the Gospels lie about the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The Talmud actually boasts that the Jews and not the Romans were the ones who actually nailed Jesus to the Cross. These Talmudic Jews hate Jesus so much that they want to take all the credit for his murder. Amazingly, the Islamic holy book, the Qur'an disputes this Jewish lie and actually defends the truth of the gospel. They (Jews) have incurred divine displeasure: in that, they broke the covenant? And little is it they believe. That they rejected faith and they uttered against Mary a grave false charge? That they said (in boast) "we killed Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah- but they killed him not, nor crucified him. But so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts? (Sura 4 AlNisa 153- 159)


If you are an evangelical Christian, do you still need more proof of the anti-Christian evil of Israel? A perfect example can be found in one of the evil tactics that Israel uses to destroy Palestinian resistance. The French Press Agency (AFP), much like AP in the United States, of March 2, 2002, had a report on the Israeli occupation of Ramallah last year. I quote:

In the recent Israeli occupation of the Palestinian town Ramallah, the army took over three of the four television stations. In control of the three stations, Al-Watan, Ammwaj, and Al-Sharaq channels. The Israelis began broadcasting hard-core pornography into the Palestinian homes beginning about 3:30 pm in the first day of their occupation. The reaction of the devoutly religious Palestinians, both Christian and Moslem, to the Israeli pornography been pointed. The article quotes a some of the Palestinians on this latest Israeli outrage, I quote:

Anita, a 52-year-old mother of three children, complained about "the deliberate psychological damage caused by these broadcasts.?

"I am furious, these are the people who are shooting at us that also play this disgusting trick on us," she said.


Yes, the supposedly moral, upstanding nation of Israel that some Christian televangelist leaders support, is broadcasting hardcore pornography as part of their war to destroy the Palestinian people. Next time a Christian minister says we should support Israel; ask him if we should send our money to Israel so that it can broadcast hardcore pornography to Palestinian Christian and Moslem children.

You always hear from those ministers who support anti-Christian Israel two things: (1) that the Jews of today are the "chosen people of God" and have a covenant with God that we must respect, and: (2) that the Bible says that, "I will bless thee that blesses you and curse thee that curses you." As I showed earlier, clear New Testament scripture quotes Jesus as saying that the Jews, "whose fathers were led out of the land of Egypt" had "no longer, continued in God's covenant saith The Lord."

The coming of Jesus Christ made a new covenant for those Israelites and for all people who accepted the salvation of Christ. Belief in Jesus Christ is the one and only requirement to join the New Covenant. Those who don't accept Jesus Christ are clearly not in this New Covenant. Those who embrace Judaism, a religion that hates and rejects Jesus Christ are certainly not in this New Covenant. Those who believe in Jesus Christ have become the Chosen of God, the elect, regardless of ethnic descent. By Christian principle, those that hate Jesus Christ are obviously in the service of Satan and not God and His son and are certainly not in the Covenant. Christ himself describes them as "the Synagogue of Satan."

Footnotes
Talmud Sanhedrin, Simon, M. Trans. (1936). 57a Gittin. London. Soncino Press. p.261
Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, "Authority" p. 637
Talmud, Sanhedrin (1935). Soncino Edition. 105a-b. p.717.
Simon, M. Trans. (1936). 57a Gittin. London. Soncino Press. p.261.
Talmud, Sanhedrin (1935). Soncino Edition. 52b. p.356.
Jewish Encyclopedia. (1907). Balaam. p.469.
Shahak, I. (1994). Jewish History, Jewish Religion. p.21.
Shahak, I. (1994). Jewish History, Jewish Religion. 97-98.
Shahak, I. (1994). Jewish History, Jewish Religion. 23 &amp; 93.
KJV Hebrews 8:6-7, 9-10, and 13.
RSV 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16.
KJV John 8:42-48.