Whole milk is junk food?

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: zendari
Well, in my high school, the year after I left they removed all soda and vending machines because some whiny parents didn't like it. Rather similar to this Illinois case here.

So where exactly does a kid get a soda? I guess you could walk across rather busy roads to a convenience store and back, that is, if you want 1000 students crossing busy intersections 2-4 times daily.

Then don't drink soda, your problem is solved.

And if I want to drink soda? I'm glad elitist liberals now are telling people what they can and cannot eat and drink.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: zendari
Well, in my high school, the year after I left they removed all soda and vending machines because some whiny parents didn't like it. Rather similar to this Illinois case here.

So where exactly does a kid get a soda? I guess you could walk across rather busy roads to a convenience store and back, that is, if you want 1000 students crossing busy intersections 2-4 times daily.

Then don't drink soda, your problem is solved.

And if I want to drink soda? I'm glad elitist liberals now are telling people what they can and cannot eat and drink.

Nah, just making it harder to do so. I like how the schools deciding to not host vending machines full of junk food is them telling students how to eat/drink. Not to mention, you and I can be seen agreeing in these forums on the fact that schools are forced to take up the responsibility of raising children in this society (for better or for worse) because of the pathetic state of parenting in America. Where does this fit in under that?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: zendari
And if I want to drink soda? I'm glad elitist liberals now are telling people what they can and cannot eat and drink.

Nah, just making it harder to do so. I like how the schools deciding to not host vending machines full of junk food is them telling students how to eat/drink. Not to mention, you and I can be seen agreeing in these forums on the fact that schools are forced to take up the responsibility of raising children in this society (for better or for worse) because of the pathetic state of parenting in America. Where does this fit in under that?

Maybe people like you should start worrying about your own children so they don't engage in drug usage and radical sexual promiscuity instead of bothering others about their kids.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: zendari
And if I want to drink soda? I'm glad elitist liberals now are telling people what they can and cannot eat and drink.

Nah, just making it harder to do so. I like how the schools deciding to not host vending machines full of junk food is them telling students how to eat/drink. Not to mention, you and I can be seen agreeing in these forums on the fact that schools are forced to take up the responsibility of raising children in this society (for better or for worse) because of the pathetic state of parenting in America. Where does this fit in under that?

Maybe people like you should start worrying about your own children so they don't engage in drug usage and radical sexual promiscuity instead of bothering others about their kids.

Zendari, you should try some of that drug use and sexual promiscuity you're always ragging on. You'd be less uptight.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: zendari
Well, in my high school, the year after I left they removed all soda and vending machines because some whiny parents didn't like it. Rather similar to this Illinois case here.

So where exactly does a kid get a soda? I guess you could walk across rather busy roads to a convenience store and back, that is, if you want 1000 students crossing busy intersections 2-4 times daily.

Then don't drink soda, your problem is solved.

And if I want to drink soda? I'm glad elitist liberals now are telling people what they can and cannot eat and drink.

You're in a school, not out in public.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: zendari
And if I want to drink soda? I'm glad elitist liberals now are telling people what they can and cannot eat and drink.

Nah, just making it harder to do so. I like how the schools deciding to not host vending machines full of junk food is them telling students how to eat/drink. Not to mention, you and I can be seen agreeing in these forums on the fact that schools are forced to take up the responsibility of raising children in this society (for better or for worse) because of the pathetic state of parenting in America. Where does this fit in under that?

Maybe people like you should start worrying about your own children so they don't engage in drug usage and radical sexual promiscuity instead of bothering others about their kids.

Pretty sure neither of us have kids buddy. At any rate, you seemed perfectly willing to allow the schools the privilege of raising kids to some extent because of the irresponsibility of the average American parent several months ago. What happened between then and now? Or maybe you were okay with whatever issue that was (I forget) because it agreed with your politics, but for some reason enforcing a health diet in school does not. Whatever.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: zendari

And if I want to drink soda? I'm glad elitist liberals now are telling people what they can and cannot eat and drink.

You're in a school, not out in public.

And?

 

[Meuge]

Since schools have the authority to compile the lunch menu, they have the authority to decide what gets sold in the vending machines. And given the average weight of a middle-American school-children, I'd say that banning soda is the least they can do. And don't you worry, the children can exercise all the freedom to eat whatever they want outside of school.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Legend
Whole milk does have a lot of saturated fat, but that won't make you fat. Only give you heart problems if you don't do any activity and eat other high saturated fat foods and simple carbs.

However, cheetos are definitely worse for you. No nutritional benefits, and the high processed carb content increases body fat production and hunger.

Actually whole milk is indeed junk. 2% milk is only marginally better b/c regular whole milk is like 3 or 3.5% fat. The human body makes saturated fat. Once you become school-age there's almost no need whatsoever to get saturated fat in the diet.

There's nothing magical about the combination of sat'd fat and simple carbs . . . both are bad as a significant portion of a diet.

The baked Cheetos are far from health food but the calorie density and relatively low sodium content gives it a pass.

Tsk Tsk BBD - I expect better from you.

Raw cows and goats milk? Kefir, yogurt? Don't make me drag out some studies on you 😀 Pastuerized whole milk isn't much good...But our society is so incredibly germ-phobic we're creating a whole new set of diseases and cancers.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Actually whole milk is indeed junk. 2% milk is only marginally better b/c regular whole milk is like 3 or 3.5% fat. The human body makes saturated fat. Once you become school-age there's almost no need whatsoever to get saturated fat in the diet.

There's nothing magical about the combination of sat'd fat and simple carbs . . . both are bad as a significant portion of a diet.

The baked Cheetos are far from health food but the calorie density and relatively low sodium content gives it a pass.

Compared to what?

Compared to McDonald's, it's a salad.

 

[m316foley]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: zendari
Well, in my high school, the year after I left they removed all soda and vending machines because some whiny parents didn't like it. Rather similar to this Illinois case here.

So where exactly does a kid get a soda? I guess you could walk across rather busy roads to a convenience store and back, that is, if you want 1000 students crossing busy intersections 2-4 times daily.

Then don't drink soda, your problem is solved.

And if I want to drink soda? I'm glad elitist liberals now are telling people what they can and cannot eat and drink.

Isn't it funny? It's kind of how elitist conservatives are telling women they don't have any control over their bodies when it comes to pregnancy.....

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: m316foley

Originally posted by: zendari
And if I want to drink soda? I'm glad elitist liberals now are telling people what they can and cannot eat and drink.

Isn't it funny? It's kind of how elitist conservatives are telling women they don't have any control over their bodies when it comes to pregnancy.....

That's not true at all. You have the choice to become pregnant or not.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: zendari
Well, in my high school, the year after I left they removed all soda and vending machines because some whiny parents didn't like it. Rather similar to this Illinois case here.

So where exactly does a kid get a soda? I guess you could walk across rather busy roads to a convenience store and back, that is, if you want 1000 students crossing busy intersections 2-4 times daily.

Then don't drink soda, your problem is solved.

And if I want to drink soda? I'm glad elitist liberals now are telling people what they can and cannot eat and drink.

Hmm... I few threads ago, in the one about the Hawaiian woman who took drugs during pregnancy you were arguing quite the opposite.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Legend
Whole milk does have a lot of saturated fat, but that won't make you fat. Only give you heart problems if you don't do any activity and eat other high saturated fat foods and simple carbs.

However, cheetos are definitely worse for you. No nutritional benefits, and the high processed carb content increases body fat production and hunger.

Actually whole milk is indeed junk. 2% milk is only marginally better b/c regular whole milk is like 3 or 3.5% fat. The human body makes saturated fat. Once you become school-age there's almost no need whatsoever to get saturated fat in the diet.

There's nothing magical about the combination of sat'd fat and simple carbs . . . both are bad as a significant portion of a diet.

The baked Cheetos are far from health food but the calorie density and relatively low sodium content gives it a pass.

Tsk Tsk BBD - I expect better from you.

Raw cows and goats milk? Kefir, yogurt? Don't make me drag out some studies on you 😀 Pastuerized whole milk isn't much good...But our society is so incredibly germ-phobic we're creating a whole new set of diseases and cancers.

I'm not sure what you mean. The benefits to humans from drinking milk are a function of everything EXCEPT the saturated fat. Accordingly, skim (and even 1%) are fine components of a school-aged child's diet. Pateurization is indeed a VERY good idea. Granted, I'm intrigued by the idea of irradiated milk . . . not sure I would let my kid drink it but I would give it a try.

America is indeed germ-phobic but I would start with removing anti-bacterial soaps from the market, forbidding the ubiquitous use of antibiotics in livestock, and holding MDs responsible for the overprescription of antibiotics before I would criticize pasteurization and ultra-pasteurization.

Funny, you mention goat's milk. I got a few years of that when I was small.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: zendari
And if I want to drink soda? I'm glad elitist liberals now are telling people what they can and cannot eat and drink.

Hmm... I few threads ago, in the one about the Hawaiian woman who took drugs during pregnancy you were arguing quite the opposite.

I didn't realize soda was an illegal substance.

 

[Meuge]

Maybe we should make it an illegal substance. If you want to talk about ultimate cause of death, I am sure quite a few people a year can be shown to die from soda ingestion... or its long-term results. It's certainly not "good" for you. Since there is little justification for of the substances that ARE illegal, we should take a similar approach and arbitrarily ban others.

But since it's banned on the government level, we wouldn't possibly be infringing on anyone's rights.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Maybe we should make it an illegal substance. If you want to talk about ultimate cause of death, I am sure quite a few people a year can be shown to die from soda ingestion... or its long-term results. It's certainly not "good" for you. Since there is little justification for of the substances that ARE illegal, we should take a similar approach and arbitrarily ban others.

But since it's banned on the government level, we wouldn't possibly be infringing on anyone's rights.

Maybe we should ban sexual activity outside of marraige as well. After all sexual activity > STDs > deaths. Promiscuity is certainly not "good" for you.

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Meuge
Maybe we should make it an illegal substance. If you want to talk about ultimate cause of death, I am sure quite a few people a year can be shown to die from soda ingestion... or its long-term results. It's certainly not "good" for you. Since there is little justification for of the substances that ARE illegal, we should take a similar approach and arbitrarily ban others.

But since it's banned on the government level, we wouldn't possibly be infringing on anyone's rights.

Maybe we should ban sexual activity outside of marraige as well. After all sexual activity > STDs > deaths. Promiscuity is certainly not "good" for you.

I'm willing to bet that there are far more deaths from soda/sugary type related food than STDs every year.

Edit: Weren't you arguing that kids don't really have any rights (ie, First amendment rights in school)? You seem to change the power schools have based on the issue. If they should be allowed to censor newspapers since they're printed using school materials, shouldn't they have the right to ban foods they don't see fit at schools?

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: NJDevil
I'm willing to bet that there are far more deaths from soda/sugary type related food than STDs every year.

Edit: Weren't you arguing that kids don't really have any rights (ie, First amendment rights in school)? You seem to change the power schools have based on the issue. If they should be allowed to censor newspapers since they're printed using school materials, shouldn't they have the right to ban foods they don't see fit at schools?

They serve several of those same foods and drinks at the cafeteria lunchline and at the teachers lounge, for a more expensive price I might add.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Meuge
Maybe we should make it an illegal substance. If you want to talk about ultimate cause of death, I am sure quite a few people a year can be shown to die from soda ingestion... or its long-term results. It's certainly not "good" for you. Since there is little justification for of the substances that ARE illegal, we should take a similar approach and arbitrarily ban others.

But since it's banned on the government level, we wouldn't possibly be infringing on anyone's rights.

Maybe we should ban sexual activity outside of marraige as well. After all sexual activity > STDs > deaths. Promiscuity is certainly not "good" for you.

I love your exquisite ability to avoid actually addressing other people's comments.

But unfortunately your comments only manage to do that... and nothing else. They certainly haven't gotten any smarter.

Originally posted by: zendariAfter all sexual activity > STDs > deaths. Promiscuity is certainly not "good" for you.

No cutie-pie... unprotected sex is "not good" for you.

P.S. Deaths from obesity-related illnesses > Deaths from car accidents > Deaths from alcohol > Deaths from STDs

Hence, continuing in the spirit of your stupidity, we should ban driving, drinking, and possibly eating.

 

[zendari]

You're the one who wants to ban sodas not me.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: zendari
You're the one who wants to ban sodas not me.

Let's be a little bit more accurate here. Our discussion has been over schools being allowed to ban foods based on nutritional content and, in the case of soda, there is none.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: zendari
You're the one who wants to ban sodas not me.

No, dear, I don't really think it'll work. But the people who do, want them banned from being sold in schools. The children are certainly free to purchase soda outside of school... or bring it from home and drink them in school anyway.

 

[Legend]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Legend
Whole milk does have a lot of saturated fat, but that won't make you fat. Only give you heart problems if you don't do any activity and eat other high saturated fat foods and simple carbs.

However, cheetos are definitely worse for you. No nutritional benefits, and the high processed carb content increases body fat production and hunger.

Actually whole milk is indeed junk. 2% milk is only marginally better b/c regular whole milk is like 3 or 3.5% fat. The human body makes saturated fat. Once you become school-age there's almost no need whatsoever to get saturated fat in the diet.

There's nothing magical about the combination of sat'd fat and simple carbs . . . both are bad as a significant portion of a diet.

The baked Cheetos are far from health food but the calorie density and relatively low sodium content gives it a pass.

I disagree.

Whole milk has much nutritional value, while snack foods have absolutely no nutritional value.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=130

But it does depend on the milk. The above site usually references the best quality of foods that they talk about. Organic milks have more omega3 fats and less saturated fats. So originally, milk was excellent all around until we started locking up cattle in pens, force feeding them grains, and giving them hormones.

Yes saturated fat is high in calorie density, but it lacks the high GI carbs that increase the rate of body fat production and hunger that the snack foods do. This is why many people can lose weight by switching from snack foods that are marketed as low fat, such as pretzels, to nuts which are loaded with fat and calories.

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: zendari
Gotta love the sense of Illinois liberals.

This has nothing to do with liberals, it has to do with keeping children healthy. The increase in Type II diabetes among children is disturbing. Schools need to supply food, so what's wrong with setting the standards to be moderately healthy instead of complete crap?

Don't choose to eat complete crap. I hope my child has the option to purchase a soda once in a while after school.

A soda IS fscking complete crap...absolutely NO redeeming benefits, overly push marketed and hyped, and a bad, bad habit to get your children into...what kind of parent WOULD you be?

Next down your line is "I hope my child has the option to smoke a small joint once in a while after school..." Might as well, it actually can be claimed to have some medicinal value and possibly mental creative enhancement, unlike soda, which has no value whatsoever to anyone but Coke and Pepsi stockholders...

Future Shock

NB - I spent a year consulting to Pepsi International...built their old marketing system at World Headquarters. They KNOW that stuff is no good for kids too...