Angel...
Charlie's Angel.
LOL.
At least I know Lee will lose to the angels. He was crazy w/ women!
Charlie's Angel.
LOL.
At least I know Lee will lose to the angels. He was crazy w/ women!
Lee without a doubt, but I am a big fan of Norris. Great guy.
And why did you throw a chump like Van Damme in? What a loser. (Belongs in the Steven Segal category)
And why did you throw a chump like Van Damme in? What a loser. (Belongs in the Steven Segal category)
If the fight goes to the ground (grappling) then I'd say Norris but in a normal fight I'd say Bruce Lee any day.
Van Damme is all show....... sure he was a Belgium Kick Boxing Champ but what does that prove (you could kick someone with padding in the nuts)????
Van Damme is all show....... sure he was a Belgium Kick Boxing Champ but what does that prove (you could kick someone with padding in the nuts)????
Danny Devito would KILL all of them.
Fighting a midget would throw them off their game so much, Danny could sweep em up!
And being that low to the ground, he'd have an ALL DAY PASS to wreak havoc on their NUTS!
Fighting a midget would throw them off their game so much, Danny could sweep em up!
And being that low to the ground, he'd have an ALL DAY PASS to wreak havoc on their NUTS!
no i think if bruce were alive today hed be to old if you mean who would win during their "prime" it would definately be BRUCE!!!
If you ever took Martial arts, then you'd know that most of these guys are in top shape even in there 60's (if they didn't get any kind of serious injures from a fight).
Oh, and Bruce lee would win hands down.
My favorite character from Tekken 3 is forest Law. Guess who he looks like.
If you ever took Martial arts, then you'd know that most of these guys are in top shape even in there 60's (if they didn't get any kind of serious injures from a fight).
Oh, and Bruce lee would win hands down.
My favorite character from Tekken 3 is forest Law. Guess who he looks like.
Lee No doubt.
What about Jackie Chan. Rumor has it that Jackie Chan and Bruce have the same master.
Jackie Chan also has a secret weapon. Drunken Fist!!!
What about Jackie Chan. Rumor has it that Jackie Chan and Bruce have the same master.
Jackie Chan also has a secret weapon. Drunken Fist!!!
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yes Chuck Zito (plays on HBO's OZ as the big Italian) did kick Van Damme's a$$ in a bar fight. I did see on a show Military type show once that the best hand to hand combat training was a combination of Judo and wrestling, like the Brazilian Jui-Jitsu style used in fighting campionships.
yes Chuck Zito (plays on HBO's OZ as the big Italian) did kick Van Damme's a$$ in a bar fight. I did see on a show Military type show once that the best hand to hand combat training was a combination of Judo and wrestling, like the Brazilian Jui-Jitsu style used in fighting campionships.
Well I hate to break the Asian Myth but there are no Asian heavyweight boxers for a reason. There basically no match for the size and power of most of todays fighters. If I remember rightly the American boxing team did pretty good agianst Asian teams in the Olympics. Bruce Lee was pretty good but more myth than actually true fighting ability.
What Jacobnero said.
A middleweight and up boxer would wipe the street with someone like Lee or Norris. They simply cannot hit as hard as a bigger, equally fit man. If the bigger guy stood there and fought the little guy's fight, of course he would eventually lose, but if he just takes the little guy down, he wins on pure strength.
Just look at boxers for example. You see lightweights and bantamweights that just beat the crap out of each other the whole fight and either go the distance or get a very late KO.
Then look at heavyweights and they routinely knock each other out in less than half the scheduled fight.
Why? I've never seen any facts on this, but watching over the years, I've become of the opinion that it takes a pretty similar amount of force to knock out any grown man, large or small. It's just that the smaller guys can't deliver that amount of force in one or two hard punches.
Put it this way: If someone was going to hit you with a free shot right to the head, and it was your choice, who would you pick? Lee or Tyson? Neither one would be pleasant, but I'd take my chances getting hit by Lee.
A middleweight and up boxer would wipe the street with someone like Lee or Norris. They simply cannot hit as hard as a bigger, equally fit man. If the bigger guy stood there and fought the little guy's fight, of course he would eventually lose, but if he just takes the little guy down, he wins on pure strength.
Just look at boxers for example. You see lightweights and bantamweights that just beat the crap out of each other the whole fight and either go the distance or get a very late KO.
Then look at heavyweights and they routinely knock each other out in less than half the scheduled fight.
Why? I've never seen any facts on this, but watching over the years, I've become of the opinion that it takes a pretty similar amount of force to knock out any grown man, large or small. It's just that the smaller guys can't deliver that amount of force in one or two hard punches.
Put it this way: If someone was going to hit you with a free shot right to the head, and it was your choice, who would you pick? Lee or Tyson? Neither one would be pleasant, but I'd take my chances getting hit by Lee.
Keep in mind that there are two types of martial arts here: actual fighting skill and "dancing" fighting. Is Lee's just for show or is it real?
i think a fight between jet lee and jackie chan will be awesome. who do you think's gonna kiss a$$?
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Bullsh!t about the western boxing being superior.
When Lee decided to pursue his own art (Jeet Kune Do) he took the best elements from several areas of study. If you study JKD, you'd see that many of the punches and forms are taken from western boxing. The leg work was taken from various styles of Gung Fu. Many of the grappling techniques come from Judo.
And JKD constantly evolves. Where many martial arts are static, JKD changes absorbing whatever it finds that is useful. That was a big part of Lee's philosophy, and you can see it even today. Many of Lee's direct students still teach JKD today.
Here's some of the instructors recognized by the Bruce Lee Foundation
Despite the fact that all of them practice JKD, there are many different styles. Different people focused on different areas, be it trapping, kicking, punching, grappling, or whatever. If Lee was beaten by a boxer (and I believe he was) then he'd learn from the experience and incorporate new techniques so that he was prepared the next time.
When Lee decided to pursue his own art (Jeet Kune Do) he took the best elements from several areas of study. If you study JKD, you'd see that many of the punches and forms are taken from western boxing. The leg work was taken from various styles of Gung Fu. Many of the grappling techniques come from Judo.
And JKD constantly evolves. Where many martial arts are static, JKD changes absorbing whatever it finds that is useful. That was a big part of Lee's philosophy, and you can see it even today. Many of Lee's direct students still teach JKD today.
Here's some of the instructors recognized by the Bruce Lee Foundation
Despite the fact that all of them practice JKD, there are many different styles. Different people focused on different areas, be it trapping, kicking, punching, grappling, or whatever. If Lee was beaten by a boxer (and I believe he was) then he'd learn from the experience and incorporate new techniques so that he was prepared the next time.
I just thought I would add my two cents.
Chuck Norris has actually improved his arsenal quite a bit since his early days.
Mr. Norris started in a martial art called Tang Soo Do. This is roughly comparable to Tae Kwan Do. As any Ultimate Fighting Championship fan knows, this style of fighting is not very effective. Since then, he has moved on to such brutal arts as muay Thai (Thai boxing - watch K1 for the power of this art) to Brazilian Jiujitsu. Brazilian Jiujitsu was made somewhat (in)famous by a somewhat small man named Royce Gracie from Rio De Janeiro, Brazil.
Jean Claude Van Damme has only studied Shotokan from what I understand. Shotokan is a very linear martial art with very straight punches. Traditional martial arts such as this are not very effective - especially against a Thai kickboxer or Brazilian Jiujitsu stylist. In a fight, Jean Claude would get his ass kicked by Chuck Norris - both standing up and on the ground.
Bruce Lee was very famous for his very good hand speed and for popularizing Okinawan weaponry. Unfortunately, Bruce Lee only studied stand up martial arts, such as: Wing Chun, muay Thai (the most complete stand up art, in his mind), Eskrima (Kali, Arnis, etc.), Savate (French "foot fighting", Judo (for throws), Pentjak Silat as well as American boxing. Unfortunately, his ground fighting techniques would be very sad. Judo has no counters for even a single or double leg shoot.
So, a couple notes - Bruce Lee was very infamous for getting in fights all the times on his sets (and a lot as a kid). Unfortunately, his fights did not go on very long and most of the people he went against weren't superb, trained fighters.
Chuck Norris was a point fighter - a good one though. Unfortunately, there is very little contact made in point fighting. This is not comparable to the hard core stand up fighting that great fighters such as Rob Kaman or Andy Hug or even Maurice Smith are famous for. This is the stuff where you can get penalized for hitting each other too hard.
My verdict? In his current fighting state, I think Chuck Norris would absolutely kill Bruce Lee - even in his prime shape. Why? Because as soon as Bruce Lee came in to punch Chuck, Mr. Norris would just shoot in, pass the guard, maybe get in a full mount and either go for something like an arm bar, key lock or maybe just punch him out. And, since Bruce is unfamiliar with ground fighting, he would probably give his back to Chuck.. which means rear naked choke.
But, if it was the 70s version of Bruce Lee versus the 70s version of Chuck Norris, I believe that Chuck would probably get beaten by Bruce Lee. Chuck's defense - especially his bad Tang Soo Do blocks and ineffective kicking techniques would probably open himself up for a very good beating.
Jean Claude would probably be happy just to be in the same conversation as these fighters.
But, really.. it's all about Kazushi "Gracie Killer" Sakuraba.
Chuck Norris has actually improved his arsenal quite a bit since his early days.
Mr. Norris started in a martial art called Tang Soo Do. This is roughly comparable to Tae Kwan Do. As any Ultimate Fighting Championship fan knows, this style of fighting is not very effective. Since then, he has moved on to such brutal arts as muay Thai (Thai boxing - watch K1 for the power of this art) to Brazilian Jiujitsu. Brazilian Jiujitsu was made somewhat (in)famous by a somewhat small man named Royce Gracie from Rio De Janeiro, Brazil.
Jean Claude Van Damme has only studied Shotokan from what I understand. Shotokan is a very linear martial art with very straight punches. Traditional martial arts such as this are not very effective - especially against a Thai kickboxer or Brazilian Jiujitsu stylist. In a fight, Jean Claude would get his ass kicked by Chuck Norris - both standing up and on the ground.
Bruce Lee was very famous for his very good hand speed and for popularizing Okinawan weaponry. Unfortunately, Bruce Lee only studied stand up martial arts, such as: Wing Chun, muay Thai (the most complete stand up art, in his mind), Eskrima (Kali, Arnis, etc.), Savate (French "foot fighting"
, Judo (for throws), Pentjak Silat as well as American boxing. Unfortunately, his ground fighting techniques would be very sad. Judo has no counters for even a single or double leg shoot.So, a couple notes - Bruce Lee was very infamous for getting in fights all the times on his sets (and a lot as a kid). Unfortunately, his fights did not go on very long and most of the people he went against weren't superb, trained fighters.
Chuck Norris was a point fighter - a good one though. Unfortunately, there is very little contact made in point fighting. This is not comparable to the hard core stand up fighting that great fighters such as Rob Kaman or Andy Hug or even Maurice Smith are famous for. This is the stuff where you can get penalized for hitting each other too hard.
My verdict? In his current fighting state, I think Chuck Norris would absolutely kill Bruce Lee - even in his prime shape. Why? Because as soon as Bruce Lee came in to punch Chuck, Mr. Norris would just shoot in, pass the guard, maybe get in a full mount and either go for something like an arm bar, key lock or maybe just punch him out. And, since Bruce is unfamiliar with ground fighting, he would probably give his back to Chuck.. which means rear naked choke.
But, if it was the 70s version of Bruce Lee versus the 70s version of Chuck Norris, I believe that Chuck would probably get beaten by Bruce Lee. Chuck's defense - especially his bad Tang Soo Do blocks and ineffective kicking techniques would probably open himself up for a very good beating.
Jean Claude would probably be happy just to be in the same conversation as these fighters.
But, really.. it's all about Kazushi "Gracie Killer" Sakuraba.
BoberFett
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Also, if you knew about Bruce Lee, you'd know he could hit with more power than many people far stronger in the traditional sense.
Bruce dedicated a lot of study and training to human physiology, figuring out how to get the most power out of your strikes. That's part of the concept behind the one inch punch. I'm not a particulary strong guy, maybe just a bit above average for my weight, and I've learned how to use my weight and leverage to pack a lot more power into each strike than you might expect out of someone my size. My sifu is only about 5'8", and I'd guess about 160 lbs. I would not let him punch me full force without a pad. :Q
Bruce dedicated a lot of study and training to human physiology, figuring out how to get the most power out of your strikes. That's part of the concept behind the one inch punch. I'm not a particulary strong guy, maybe just a bit above average for my weight, and I've learned how to use my weight and leverage to pack a lot more power into each strike than you might expect out of someone my size. My sifu is only about 5'8", and I'd guess about 160 lbs. I would not let him punch me full force without a pad. :Q
This is a response to jacobnero6918.
"Well I hate to break the Asian Myth but there are no Asian heavyweight boxers for a reason. There basically no match for the size and power of most of todays fighters. If I remember rightly the American boxing team did pretty good agianst Asian teams in the Olympics. Bruce Lee was pretty good but more myth than actually true fighting ability."
Actually, after WWII, a lot of American Karatekas went to Thailand to fight some muay Thai boxers. Most of the Karate folk were considered bad asses by their peers, not only for their understanding of Karate, but for their fighting ability as a whole. The Thai fighters were considered just okay by Thai standards.
The results: the Thai fighters beat every Karateka in the first round of their fights.
You really should pay attention to fighting sports beyond boxing. In Japan, they have great fighting events like Pancrase where Japanese guys beat the crap out of larger American fighters all the time. And fighting is more than just standing there trading blows with eachother.
And just to disprove your perspective of might and weight are supreme - I invite you to check out UFC 3 where Keith Hackney drops a huge Sumo wrestler with one punch to the face. Or, check out the last UFC where Randy Couture mounted and punched the crap out of a much more muscular wrestler named Kevin Randleman.
"Well I hate to break the Asian Myth but there are no Asian heavyweight boxers for a reason. There basically no match for the size and power of most of todays fighters. If I remember rightly the American boxing team did pretty good agianst Asian teams in the Olympics. Bruce Lee was pretty good but more myth than actually true fighting ability."
Actually, after WWII, a lot of American Karatekas went to Thailand to fight some muay Thai boxers. Most of the Karate folk were considered bad asses by their peers, not only for their understanding of Karate, but for their fighting ability as a whole. The Thai fighters were considered just okay by Thai standards.
The results: the Thai fighters beat every Karateka in the first round of their fights.
You really should pay attention to fighting sports beyond boxing. In Japan, they have great fighting events like Pancrase where Japanese guys beat the crap out of larger American fighters all the time. And fighting is more than just standing there trading blows with eachother.
And just to disprove your perspective of might and weight are supreme - I invite you to check out UFC 3 where Keith Hackney drops a huge Sumo wrestler with one punch to the face. Or, check out the last UFC where Randy Couture mounted and punched the crap out of a much more muscular wrestler named Kevin Randleman.
re: The Kateka that fought in Thailand. Most of the accounts of Karateka being beaten in Thailand that i have read (Kyokushinkai and Seido Karate)were usually based on points decisions. Thai judges are known to be pretty biased against Farang (foreigners). I have lived and worked in Thailand and i have seen a large number of dodgy decsions in Kick Boxing contests. Mui Thai is a phenomenal martial art, but the practitioners are as human as the rest of us .
re: asian martial artists vs western boxing styles. If you look at lots on no holds barred fights, you would actually be surprised to see how often wrestling style fighters win these contests. I have seen some very big and accomplished boxers have the breath choked out of them. I have also seen kicking style martial artists prevent boxers getting close with continual kicks to legs. Conversely i have also seen boxers (and other martial artists) end these fights with a single punch. It is BS to claim any martial art is better than any other, there are heaps of variables that come in to play in any combative situation.
re: the fighters mentioned, i simply chose Bruce Lee because i think he is a more genuine fighter than the other 2. I don't know if even Bruce Lee was a true martial artist like Musashi, someone that fought in life and death situations on a number of occasions.
re: asian martial artists vs western boxing styles. If you look at lots on no holds barred fights, you would actually be surprised to see how often wrestling style fighters win these contests. I have seen some very big and accomplished boxers have the breath choked out of them. I have also seen kicking style martial artists prevent boxers getting close with continual kicks to legs. Conversely i have also seen boxers (and other martial artists) end these fights with a single punch. It is BS to claim any martial art is better than any other, there are heaps of variables that come in to play in any combative situation.
re: the fighters mentioned, i simply chose Bruce Lee because i think he is a more genuine fighter than the other 2. I don't know if even Bruce Lee was a true martial artist like Musashi, someone that fought in life and death situations on a number of occasions.
the size of a fighter doesn't matter.
look at royce gracie -- won consecutive UFC championships, and he is about 5'9" and a solidly built, but pretty average looking guy. he can beat all those humongous guys.
what about royce gracie vs. bruce lee? who'd win that?
look at royce gracie -- won consecutive UFC championships, and he is about 5'9" and a solidly built, but pretty average looking guy. he can beat all those humongous guys.
what about royce gracie vs. bruce lee? who'd win that?
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