Who won the final debate?

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: piasabird
The slick talking car salesman won. It is America that will lose.

That's your opinion. Of course it was your opinion that George Bush was the man for the job 8 years ago and you still felt that way 4 years ago so obviously your opinion doesn't hold much water.

 

[OrByte]

ok water cooler talk.

Granted I live in the bluest state in the country (CA)

Everybody I talked to said something to the effect that McCain looked like a monster.

carry on.

 

[jonks]

I won, because in my drinking game pool I drew "Joe the Plumber" from the fishbowl. Who'd a thunk it?

 

[BoomerD]

WTF was with McCain's eyes? Every time I paused on the debate while surfing, (didn't watch but bits and pieces of it) his eyes looked like a crazed mad-man just waiting to explode.
The other thread about facial expressions has a pic of what I mean...the guy LOOKS like he's deranged.

 

[OrByte]

talking about this earlier in the office...

I had the opportunity to listen to the first 50 minutes of the debate on the radio. And on the radio it sounded like both Obama and McCain were doing their usual jab-jab-jab routine with little to no impact. Both were answering questions and both were doing a fine job. McCain sounded a little more animated and amped up, but that was to be expected because its the last debate and he is behind.

When I got home and flipped the TV on it was a whole different story.

McCain was doing this eye thing and this creepy smile thing. He would alternate from smiling and getting angry and other strange facial contortions.

It changed my opinion of the debate completely.

Here is the kicker. imho this might explain why generally and with respect to all 3 debates, the initial reaction is that both men did good and both men essentially "tied." BUT, then you have the reactions in 'favorability' and polling numbers and it appears as though Obama clearly wins.

just my observations...

 

[BMW540I6speed]

As I watched McCain I just couldn't stop thinking of Ted Knight's character from the movie Caddyshack. Judge Smails, the stuffy, fuming old country club founder just can't stand that the young whippersnapper riff-raff is making him look foolish.

Someone needs to tell McCain that he's not an Independent. He seems to forget that he's running on a Republican Party ticket. If he really wants to stand up against the Republican party, something he claims to be so proud of and boasting about, he should cease to be a member. I vote that Joe the Plumber should be stuffed and paraded around the nation as a mascot for the Republican Party and as an incarnation of the sheer joy of having it all. That's greed we can believe in.

McCain imploded completely with but a faint murmur before a national audience last night. However, it was a fitting end to someone so bereft of ideas, character and vision. Obama, continued to look Presidential, with his cool and unruffled demeanor. Let's simply give the lovely parting gift to John McCain as he slips quietly and silently onto the trash-heap of failed ideas, vindictive manner and scurrilous commentary.

Sarah Palin gets to go back to Alaska to face the electorate who, suddenly, know a lot more about "Miss Moose Queen" than they did previously. Good luck there, Sarah.

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
As McCain goes so goes the economic philosophy of the Right. Obama won't easily get his full agenda but to the extent it matters this economy will turn around and be driven in the short term by the demand supported by the renewed mind set of the lower and lower middle class folks who live in debt beyond their capacity. Both sides know what happens to a hundred dollars in the hands of the rich versus the 'poor'.
Had McCain announced a full overhaul of the Federal Tax system to something akin to his other anti established norms as the basis for economic stimulus coupled with a health care program designed to approach 'universal' health care using Obama's notion of community service - set up more clinics for the poor manned by doctors and nurses who accept the federal education cost afford-ability program - he could have hit back to back to back home runs... each debate introducing a new chapter in his sweeping change to the new American Society he could have won this election... But, oh well... more of the same failed policy sunk his economic boat... the Foreign affairs aspect he could have won easily had he used the guts of why we were there and why we were going to stay till the job is done.. what ever that really is...

Edit: He could have deflected the age issue by using it to show the world that while Obama was in his mother's tummy he was defending this nation. And, from that time till this he's been in the forefront of every action America took. Play up the Patriotic notion and stimulate the blood flow in proud Americans. "When we - America - are wrong we admit it... but in this case Senator Obama, you are wrong and you will be wrong until you understand and change your view on just what it is that America stands for here and around the world... Freedom"... could have worked... maybe

It's still propaganda, not nuts and bolts reality. Fact is, McCain came off as disjointed, flustered, reeling off memorized talk points. Not all the time, but much of the time. Obama had rehearsed his positions, but he delivered them naturally. He pretty much stayed on topic, didn't repeatedly trip over his tongue like McCain was doing. The McCain campaign has been desperate for months and months. The choice of Palin belied that desperation and coherence in the face of desperation is not something you can expect.

Where is Steve Schmidt in all this? Presumably he's the mastermind behind what's been going on, the person who is behind the negative ad campaign. I haven't been hearing about him, but I'm glad to see that he's likely going to be thrashed soundly come Nov. 4th... a big stain on his campaign strategist resume.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
WTF was with McCain's eyes? Every time I paused on the debate while surfing, (didn't watch but bits and pieces of it) his eyes looked like a crazed mad-man just waiting to explode.
The other thread about facial expressions has a pic of what I mean...the guy LOOKS like he's deranged.

Kind of like how snake charmers dance to lull the snake into a false sense of security.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Muse

Originally posted by: LunarRay
As McCain goes so goes the economic philosophy of the Right. Obama won't easily get his full agenda but to the extent it matters this economy will turn around and be driven in the short term by the demand supported by the renewed mind set of the lower and lower middle class folks who live in debt beyond their capacity. Both sides know what happens to a hundred dollars in the hands of the rich versus the 'poor'.
Had McCain announced a full overhaul of the Federal Tax system to something akin to his other anti established norms as the basis for economic stimulus coupled with a health care program designed to approach 'universal' health care using Obama's notion of community service - set up more clinics for the poor manned by doctors and nurses who accept the federal education cost afford-ability program - he could have hit back to back to back home runs... each debate introducing a new chapter in his sweeping change to the new American Society he could have won this election... But, oh well... more of the same failed policy sunk his economic boat... the Foreign affairs aspect he could have won easily had he used the guts of why we were there and why we were going to stay till the job is done.. what ever that really is...

Edit: He could have deflected the age issue by using it to show the world that while Obama was in his mother's tummy he was defending this nation. And, from that time till this he's been in the forefront of every action America took. Play up the Patriotic notion and stimulate the blood flow in proud Americans. "When we - America - are wrong we admit it... but in this case Senator Obama, you are wrong and you will be wrong until you understand and change your view on just what it is that America stands for here and around the world... Freedom"... could have worked... maybe

It's still propaganda, not nuts and bolts reality. Fact is, McCain came off as disjointed, flustered, reeling off memorized talk points. Not all the time, but much of the time. Obama had rehearsed his positions, but he delivered them naturally. He pretty much stayed on topic, didn't repeatedly trip over his tongue like McCain was doing. The McCain campaign has been desperate for months and months. The choice of Palin belied that desperation and coherence in the face of desperation is not something you can expect.

Where is Steve Schmidt in all this? Presumably he's the mastermind behind what's been going on, the person who is behind the negative ad campaign. I haven't been hearing about him, but I'm glad to see that he's likely going to be thrashed soundly come Nov. 4th... a big stain on his campaign strategist resume.

I actually felt badly for McCain and tried hard not to witness his body language but couldn't help it on a number of instances with the split screen and all. He was acting in the last debate beyond his ability. He couldn't make a sentence cuz he was focused on the wording to use while also focused on trying to match his expression with the dialog. In order to come across well in these debate thingi one has to be a very good actor or actually believe deeply in the program they are discussing which allows all aspects of the person to match the words delivered.. both sides wrote stuff down... like they needed to... that is a means to divert to the table and prepare the audience for a comeback.. it is typical debate tactic but meaningless...
Schmidt or anyone can't make someone what they're not... McCain on the Senate floor can speak for minutes with out a flaw... it, therefore, indicates to me that he was either totally fatigued or sick or tried to use a planned retort versus a heart felt dialog which any of us can pull off with out a hitch.
Ah.. Well... soon it will be over and Obama will have his way and hopefully it will work out for the vast issues that need being taken care of now..

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: JS80
Obama could have explicitly presented a well thought out plan to convert the US economy to communism and he would have still beat McCain.

A well thought out plan is something that US has been lacking for a while.