Who will redeem the Dems?

[theeedude]

I thought and still think Webb would make a good majority leader.

 

[PJABBER]

Yet another moronic pjabber thread.

 

[werepossum]

As always, it will be the Republicans that redeem the Democrats.

Quoted for truth.

 

[sandorski]

Unlike the pounding the Republicans took from Voters, the pounding Dems took wasn't because of anything the Dems did. People are pissed due to the Economy being in the shitter, they are looking for a quick fix and willing to switch their Vote in order to find it. If they don't find, they'll likely switch again.

 

[EagleKeeper]

What will redeem the democrats are the coming Republican policies in the House.

As the American voters discovers the GOP talked a good game, but flopped in deliverying.

If the we think Pelosi had it hard, wait and see what happens to Boehner as he becomes the most hated man in America.

But joker in the deck may be all those new Tparty faces in the house. Boehner will try to tell them its his way or the highway, initially it may work, but when Boehner loses popularity, the tea party may mass rebel and defect.

People will still expect the Dems to deliver, not the Repubs.

The Dems control the White House and the Senate.

The people are not stupid (no matter what some Dems here like to feel).
they know that they were betrayed by the Dem leadership and have sent the Dems a message to start working with the Repubs in Congress to serve the people, not their own political ego.

Obama claims to have heard this message - will he really allow it to sink in...?

Should the situation not change, the Dems will be held accountable in another 2 years. They still hold the reins and have to steer the country.

 

[Patranus]

The public WANTS healthcare reform. A majority wanted what liberals want as their compromise position, at least a public option, if not what liberals want first, single-payer.

So because independents wanted a more "progressive" health care reform bill they decided to vote Republican instead of Democrat to punish the Democrats.

"Progressive" logic at its finest.

 

[werepossum]

Unlike the pounding the Republicans took from Voters, the pounding Dems took wasn't because of anything the Dems did. People are pissed due to the Economy being in the shitter, they are looking for a quick fix and willing to switch their Vote in order to find it. If they don't find, they'll likely switch again.

Craig?

 

[umbrella39]

Sooner or later, the Democrats will redeem themselves.

Do they get extra points if they redeem themselves before the Republicans do?

 

[manimal]

So because independents wanted a more "progressive" health care reform bill they decided to vote Republican instead of Democrat to punish the Democrats.

"Progressive" logic at its finest.

No they didnt vote republican....they stayed home...10 million of them btw...

 

[Atreus21]

Long story short:

Republicans: "Democrats, you lost. You should come back to the center from the far-left. It's for your own good."
Democrats in 2008: "Republicans, you lost. You should come back to the center from the far-right. It's for your own good."

The pendulum swingeth.

 

[daniel49]

had to come in and set up the lawn chair to listen to The faithful far left wing nuts champion their cause. thx very entertaining

 

[trenchfoot]

Yeah, I can see the Dems "redeeming" themselves by adopting all the dirty tactics and strategies that Rove and the repubs have employed over the years. That would be fun to watch.

 

[LumbergTech]

Long story short:

Republicans: "Democrats, you lost. You should come back to the center from the far-left. It's for your own good."
Democrats in 2008: "Republicans, you lost. You should come back to the center from the far-right. It's for your own good."

The pendulum swingeth.

not hard to see why so many people avoid politics..awful disappointment after disappointment

 

[nageov3t]

sometimes, I have dreams about Obama not running for reelection in 2012 and having Hillary run instead.

 

[zsdersw]

The Tea Partiers are not necessarily R's or D's. They are small government and fiscal conservative types. Whichever Party follows those principles will get their loyalty.

Neither Party has adhered to those principles in quite some time, but the R's have been less egregious than the D's and thus the movement gravitated toward the R's and they are now seriously remaking the R's, not the other way around.

This is about as far from factual as a statement can get.

 

[nick1985]

sometimes, I have dreams about Obama not running for reelection in 2012 and having Hillary run instead.

I have a $5 bet that exactly that will happen. Its a long shot I know, but should be interesting to see how it plays out.

 

[zsdersw]

The push-away-with-one-hand part of the American electorate toward government had its say in the election, but now that it's over the pull-toward-with-the-other will speak.

Politicians say anything to get power and say and do anything to retain it. This works if the people are consistent, sure, and clear of what they want. The problem is, though, they're not consistent, sure, or clear on what they want.

 

[piasabird]

I think if you gave the Republicans a few years they could mess up anything. This rampant Marxism is not what America wants or needs. It will take years to come near to paying off this debt that has been accumulated or to at least reduce it to a manageable level. I dont see any pheasable plan by anyone to pay off the debt or rebuild the economy. What we need is stability and the government wants to hold the Temporary Bush Tax cuts over the people's heads. This just creates instability and causes problems with any attempt to stabilize the stock market.

Just make the Bush Tax Cuts permanent and then the market will stabilize a bit more. The government can always raise taxes anytime they have the votes and the will to do so. Until the government can prove it can get spending under control, why would intelligent human beings want to raise taxes?

 

[Lemon law]

To some extent, its all about the economy stupid, and the American people want the quick fix. The sad reality is that it took us a long time to dig ourselves into the hole, and it will take a long time, certainly more than a mere 2 years to dig ourselves out.

But still it will be good economic policies rather than bad economic policies to get us out of the hole, all bad economic policies does is to keep digging the hole deeper.

Because the House has a stranglehold on fiscal spending, it will be where the economic policy battles are fought. Meaning the GOP is likely to force a comeback of 1928 Hoover economic policies, and get much higher unemployment as a result.

I can see all you forum Republicans say hee hee hee, the American voters will blame the dems anyway.

What I don't see is any forum Republicans saying that Republican policies will improve the American economy.

Because at the end of the day, bad policies always equal bad results.

 

[zsdersw]

Because at the end of the day, bad policies always equal bad results.

Except for the Constitution and the 27 amendments therein, I can't think of any policies that weren't bad.

 

[kage69]

Well, yes! You've got it right. Which comes full circle to the point of the OP: the Dems have fucked themselves. Discounting the specific broken promises of Obama's campaign, he ran on a general platform not of "here's what I can do for you" but rather "look what Bush did to you, and Im not Bush". People are finally waking up to realize that everything they hated about the GOP has been magnified and exemplified in the last 2-3 years of Democratic rule. And who was once the darling of the far left, is now looked at with disdain. In 2006, the people wanted someone other than the GOP. In 2008 they wanted someone other than Bush. Well, they got it, in spades.

Dems making some boneheaded decisions aside, the bolded portion is ridiculous historical revisionism. Are you that much of a partisan that you believe that, or were you out of the country and isolated from news for much of that time period? Obama has some serious issues, but it's all no where near the level of fail that the Cheney admin graced us with, let alone greatly magnified.

 

[ProfJohn]

Yeah, I can see the Dems "redeeming" themselves by adopting all the dirty tactics and strategies that Rove and the repubs have employed over the years. That would be fun to watch.

They did that this past election and they still got their asses handed to them.

 

[ProfJohn]

In 2006 when Republicans lost control of Congress 77.5 million people voted.

In 2010 when Democrats lost control of Congress 78.8 million people voted.

So more Americans voted in this mid-term than the last one. And yet the Dems on here are crying about how they lost due to voter turn out...

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

I think the better question is, when will Congress redeem itself.

Based on what the newly controlling party is saying, no time soon.

 

[zsdersw]

In 2006 when Republicans lost control of Congress 77.5 million people voted.

In 2008 when Democrats lost control of Congress 78.8 million people voted.

So more Americans voted in this mid-term than the last one. And yet the Dems on here are crying about how they lost due to voter turn out...

One of the bolded items needs to change for this to be accurate.