Who will be first to use the next nuke? (In conflict)

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

I think Pakistan should give up her nukes and set an example for others. Loss of human life on such a scale can never be justified even by national security or pride. And as far as the rich people being poor; let's see how many people make a million$ every year on this forum.

I disagree. I don't believe nuclear weapons should be used to provoke an attack, but I have no issues and am fine with nuclear weapons being used to retaliate against a country who used nukes first.

As for the "who make million$ every year" comment, I never said that everybody in the US did. Pakistan has a per-capita GDP of $2,594 per Wikipedia. That is about what most people on this forum (let alone this country) make that are on the lower end of income (i.e. the college students). The median income on here is more likely double that per month at minimum. I'm sorry but your "rich" would still be considered "poor" or "middle class" in 1st world countries.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: RichardE

Either way, Pakistan is a shit hole country that can't even clean up it's own borders.

The Israelis are terrorists occupying land that doesn't even belong to them. The IDF has no land to protect. All land that is "Israel" is illegally occupied land and if anybody should be cleaned up it's the IDF terrorist organization. They are without the doubt the most bloody and sophisticated terrorist network in the world and I think the arabs should clean them up.

You are of course welcome to your opinion, but Israel took control over that land due to attacks. They are no different than any country that occupies another they won through war.

If Pakistan was being attacked from the same spot on one of its borders, it would get fed up at some point and take over that area to stop the attacks (well almost any country would).

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: RichardE

Either way, Pakistan is a shit hole country that can't even clean up it's own borders.

The Israelis are terrorists occupying land that doesn't even belong to them. The IDF has no land to protect. All land that is "Israel" is illegally occupied land and if anybody should be cleaned up it's the IDF terrorist organization. They are without the doubt the most bloody and sophisticated terrorist network in the world and I think the arabs should clean them up.

I think the US and India need to clean up your little shit hole of a country since its the most unstabalizing country currently in existence. I can say though, that if Pakistan is an example of what Muslim countries who win there freedom become, I think Israel is doing the world a favor by occupying Gaza currently. It would be the same as India having to occupy certain territories due to Pakistan terrorist launching attacks from those territories. Something India does and Pakistan does.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

I think Pakistan should give up her nukes and set an example for others. Loss of human life on such a scale can never be justified even by national security or pride. And as far as the rich people being poor; let's see how many people make a million$ every year on this forum.

I disagree. I don't believe nuclear weapons should be used to provoke an attack, but I have no issues and am fine with nuclear weapons being used to retaliate against a country who used nukes first.

As for the "who make million$ every year" comment, I never said that everybody in the US did. Pakistan has a per-capita GDP of $2,594 per Wikipedia. That is about what most people on this forum (let alone this country) make that are on the lower end of income (i.e. the college students). The median income on here is more likely double that per month at minimum. I'm sorry but your "rich" would still be considered "poor" or "middle class" in 1st world countries.

On the contrary the main problem third world economies face is the gap b/w the rich and poor. I can safely say that the rich class here is the middle class in the USA. They probably have a better standard of living even in some ways because everything is so cheap including domestic workers.

Also the per capita GDP includes rural areas which are hugely underdeveloped. My City for example has a per capita GDP of $8000. Also GDP figures and wealth is severely understated because of corruption and tax evasion. Having said that we are poor. But not so poor that we can't feed ourselves. Compared to other third world countries; we are doing rather well in fields like health care. However, there is still a lot of work to be done. Only if the rich were more accommodating the world would be so much better.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: RichardE

Either way, Pakistan is a shit hole country that can't even clean up it's own borders.

The Israelis are terrorists occupying land that doesn't even belong to them. The IDF has no land to protect. All land that is "Israel" is illegally occupied land and if anybody should be cleaned up it's the IDF terrorist organization. They are without the doubt the most bloody and sophisticated terrorist network in the world and I think the arabs should clean them up.

You are of course welcome to your opinion, but Israel took control over that land due to attacks. They are no different than any country that occupies another they won through war.

If Pakistan was being attacked from the same spot on one of its borders, it would get fed up at some point and take over that area to stop the attacks (well almost any country would).

Pakistan doesn't recognize the state of Israel. Neither do I.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

I think Pakistan should give up her nukes and set an example for others. Loss of human life on such a scale can never be justified even by national security or pride. And as far as the rich people being poor; let's see how many people make a million$ every year on this forum.

I disagree. I don't believe nuclear weapons should be used to provoke an attack, but I have no issues and am fine with nuclear weapons being used to retaliate against a country who used nukes first.

If a country nuked military installations would you support nuking their cities? If the human race wants to progress eventually everybody should understand that nobody can have absolute power and in conclusion there should be a gradual reduction and eventual depletion of nuclear arsenal. I would support if my country was the first to disarm. Sadly that's not going to happen. The USA and Russia have the most nukes and they should be the ones to start disarming.

Edit: the poll lacks the option: Nobody. Looks like everyone on this forum are aggressive warmongers.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: bdude
Simple poll.

Most likely a Muslim faction - be it a state itself or its subordinates.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
the poll lacks the option: Nobody.

Looks like everyone on this forum are aggressive warmongers.

You really believe humans can resist temptation?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
the poll lacks the option: Nobody.

Looks like everyone on this forum are aggressive warmongers.

You really believe humans can resist temptation?

Exactly. Including the temptation to post outrageous and misleading threads, in order to keep up some internet "persona" that you think you need to maintain in order to be accepted on a political message board.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

I think Pakistan should give up her nukes and set an example for others. Loss of human life on such a scale can never be justified even by national security or pride. And as far as the rich people being poor; let's see how many people make a million$ every year on this forum.

I disagree. I don't believe nuclear weapons should be used to provoke an attack, but I have no issues and am fine with nuclear weapons being used to retaliate against a country who used nukes first.

If a country nuked military installations would you support nuking their cities? If the human race wants to progress eventually everybody should understand that nobody can have absolute power and in conclusion there should be a gradual reduction and eventual depletion of nuclear arsenal. I would support if my country was the first to disarm. Sadly that's not going to happen. The USA and Russia have the most nukes and they should be the ones to start disarming.

Edit: the poll lacks the option: Nobody. Looks like everyone on this forum are aggressive warmongers.

Great idea! Get working on disarming the world, in the mean time I'll build a small private arsonal of nukes to take over the world as soon as you are done disarming it.
My new motto: Be prepaid to be oppressed!

 

[Atheus]

It would have to be Iran, because it's leaders are actually clinically insane, and that's what it would take. Israels and Pakistan are both aggressive nations, but not stupid, and as someone else mentioned their enemies are right on their borders. I don't believe North Korea has a viable weapon.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
the poll lacks the option: Nobody.

Looks like everyone on this forum are aggressive warmongers.

You really believe humans can resist temptation?

Suitcase nukes for everyone!!!!

I'd sure hate to be living in Israel right about now, they just opened Pandora's box.

Better them then us I guess.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Atheus
It would have to be Iran, because it's leaders are actually clinically insane, and that's what it would take. Israels and Pakistan are both aggressive nations, but not stupid, and as someone else mentioned their enemies are right on their borders. I don't believe North Korea has a viable weapon.

Hmmmm, Your not talking about Bush again are you??? I don't see anything wrong with Iran having nukes. After the stunt idiot Israel pulled can you see any reason why they might want nukes?

The personally I believe I think we should sell nukes to every mid-eastern country (solve our deficit problems). Let them nuke each other ... Problem solved!!!

I'm a hero!

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: RichardE

Either way, Pakistan is a shit hole country that can't even clean up it's own borders.

The Israelis are terrorists occupying land that doesn't even belong to them. The IDF has no land to protect. All land that is "Israel" is illegally occupied land and if anybody should be cleaned up it's the IDF terrorist organization. They are without the doubt the most bloody and sophisticated terrorist network in the world and I think the arabs should clean them up.

You are of course welcome to your opinion, but Israel took control over that land due to attacks. They are no different than any country that occupies another they won through war.

If Pakistan was being attacked from the same spot on one of its borders, it would get fed up at some point and take over that area to stop the attacks (well almost any country would).

Pakistan doesn't recognize the state of Israel. Neither do I.

Then that is your choice. As it is your countries leadership's choice. Doesn't mean it's correct, or right.

Isreal is a country. Get over it, accept it, and move on. I didn't say you had to like it, but you do need to realize that it's already been done and accepted by most of the world.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

I think Pakistan should give up her nukes and set an example for others. Loss of human life on such a scale can never be justified even by national security or pride. And as far as the rich people being poor; let's see how many people make a million$ every year on this forum.

I disagree. I don't believe nuclear weapons should be used to provoke an attack, but I have no issues and am fine with nuclear weapons being used to retaliate against a country who used nukes first.

If a country nuked military installations would you support nuking their cities? If the human race wants to progress eventually everybody should understand that nobody can have absolute power and in conclusion there should be a gradual reduction and eventual depletion of nuclear arsenal. I would support if my country was the first to disarm. Sadly that's not going to happen. The USA and Russia have the most nukes and they should be the ones to start disarming.

Edit: the poll lacks the option: Nobody. Looks like everyone on this forum are aggressive warmongers.

I would support nuking their cities if it meant my countries population (civilians and military) lives were saved.

Perfect example is WWII and the US nuking of Japan. The Japanese refused to surrender, started the war with us, and would have caused many more of Allied soldiers to die had we not dropped the nukes. We made a continued war with us so unthinkable, because we would remove their entire country from the map if we needed to. If we hadn't dropped the nukes many more would have died on both sides, both civilian and military when we invaded their country.

So to summarize I support nuking cities in certain situations, but not just to nuke their city to nuke their city. We can cause the same amount of damage with conventional weaponry, but at a higher risk to our soldiers. Take a look at the Tokyo fire bombing. Over 100,000 people were killed. Look at the bombs on Nagasaki, and Hiroshima which killed 80,000 and 140,000 respectively. If you look at those numbers conventional weapons are just as deadly to civilians as nuclear. The only differences are the cost to the nation doing the attack, amount of lives put at risk on their side, and radiation of the area.

BTW the US and Russia both have reduced their stockpiles significantly, but you are fooling yourself if you think the world will ever put the nuclear genie back in the bottle to speak.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Originally posted by: Atheus
It would have to be Iran, because it's leaders are actually clinically insane, and that's what it would take. Israels and Pakistan are both aggressive nations, but not stupid, and as someone else mentioned their enemies are right on their borders. I don't believe North Korea has a viable weapon.

Hmmmm, Your not talking about Bush again are you??? I don't see anything wrong with Iran having nukes. After the stunt idiot Israel pulled can you see any reason why they might want nukes?

The personally I believe I think we should sell nukes to every mid-eastern country (solve our deficit problems). Let them nuke each other ... Problem solved!!!

I'm a hero!

edit: forgot to make my comment lol

Since that worked oh so well for us in Afghanistan vs the Soviets.....

 

[imported_K3N]

United States is planting anti ballistic missile's in russia's backyard so it and nato can perform a first strike on Russia. Under obama (puppet of Russophobe, Brzezinski) nuclear face off with the US striking first/false flag attack become more and more scarier.

This video could save your life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: K3N
United States is planting anti ballistic missile's in russia's backyard so it and nato can perform a first strike on Russia. Under obama (puppet of Russophobe, Brzezinski) nuclear face off with the US striking first/false false flag become more and more scarier.

This video could save your life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k

LOL ^



Tell me you are joking.

 

[imported_K3N]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: K3N
United States is planting anti ballistic missile's in russia's backyard so it and nato can perform a first strike on Russia. Under obama (puppet of Russophobe, Brzezinski) nuclear face off with the US striking first/false false flag become more and more scarier.

This video could save your life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k

LOL ^



Tell me you are joking.

I wish I was.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: K3N
United States is planting anti ballistic missile's in russia's backyard so it and nato can perform a first strike on Russia. Under obama (puppet of Russophobe, Brzezinski) nuclear face off with the US striking first/false flag attack become more and more scarier.

This video could save your life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k

Russia has more than enough nuclear forces to maintain the MAD relationship with the US even with the Polish based interceptors. It doesn't appreciably alter the strategic balance.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: K3N

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: K3N
United States is planting anti ballistic missile's in russia's backyard so it and nato can perform a first strike on Russia. Under obama (puppet of Russophobe, Brzezinski) nuclear face off with the US striking first/false false flag become more and more scarier.

This video could save your life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k

LOL ^



Tell me you are joking.

I wish I was.

Your ignorance of the actual capability of our missle defense systems, and the ability of the Russian nuclear arsenal is astounding.

Get out of the conspiracy cellar, and do some reading. It is your friend.

 

[JTsyo]

Terrorist using nukes would be the dumbest move they could make. It would open up public opinion to almost any reaction. Though terrorist don't seemed to think out their plans all the way through.
With India and Pakistan, do they have enough nukes for a MAD situation? India is a pretty decent sized country, though I guess most of it's population is in large cities.

 

[ranmaniac]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: RichardE
Pakistan in some form or another. The rest of the countries have leaders and elite who live like kings whose life would be ruined/ended if they used a nuke. The elite don't want to be martyrs, Pakistan on the other hand is a shithole of a country where the bottom to the top have a good chance of dying every day.

Have you been to Pakistan. I think the terrorist IDF will be the first. They have no respect for human lives.

Sure mr I support my people bombing woman and children in India to fight a war over territory that does not matter since I have my own country already.

I'm sure the fight over Kashmir is wonderful to distract the people of Pakistan from realizing what a shit hole that country is turning into.

For someone who has so much in common with Hamas, including the complete disregard of the sanctity of civilians, including the acceptance of woman and children civilians as valid targets, I can understand your hate though.

Either way, Pakistan is a shit hole country that can't even clean up it's own borders.

Without US support, Israel is pretty much a shithole itself. Israel couldn't afford to maintain it's military without the hundreds of billions of US taxpayer dollars from the past decades.
Other than spying on our country, killing our sailors on the USS Liberty and not apologizing for it, and trying to sell US technology to China, with friends like Israel, who needs enemies?

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: K3N
United States is planting anti ballistic missile's in russia's backyard so it and nato can perform a first strike on Russia. Under obama (puppet of Russophobe, Brzezinski) nuclear face off with the US striking first/false flag attack become more and more scarier.

This video could save your life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k

LOL you can't be serious.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: K3N
United States is planting anti ballistic missile's in russia's backyard so it and nato can perform a first strike on Russia. Under obama (puppet of Russophobe, Brzezinski) nuclear face off with the US striking first/false flag attack become more and more scarier.

This video could save your life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MouUJNG8f2k

LOL you can't be serious.

Everything is a conspiracy to K3N. Just don't take it too serious...I have a lot of fun watching his videos.