Who wants to see a DSM get smacked by a Lingenfelter Vette???

[Grminalac]

Wow, I want a car thats fast, but incredibly dangerous and probably going to break down or "make your pistons turn to goo and flow out the exhaust ports and mess up your turbo if you don't know what you are doing." Gee thats cool. I think I'll buy a 96-97 E320, thanks.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: Kilgor

quicktime... "ricers"? what an ignorant statement. we're talking about cars that are CHEAP to make fast. upgrade path

No your talking about cars that are cheap to make fast, I'm talking about Lingenfelter Vettes. This car in no way compares to Lingenfelter Vette. I apologize for abusing your frail ego with ignorant ricer statement, but you could put a rocket on the back of the DSM and I?d still call it a turd. We have different tastes in cars that?s all, you like DSMs I like Corvettes.

no, i like and respect lingenfelter TURBOS. the car in the video is on the bottle. which means that once the juice runs out, it would get passed like in the beginning of the video. does that impress YOU?

 

[Dudd]

Originally posted by: piku
But wait, what happens when you have to turn right or left going that fast? You know, like you have to in real racing?

I like how no one has answered this.

 

[hoihtah]

damm ricers.

 

[LikeLinus]

<Here we have a couple of 5k dsm's humiliating a 40k american dream.>

Quit with the ignorant a$$ statements. With the mods it takes to drop those cars into the low 13's cost more than 5k. You're thinking 5k just for the car itself. Then you have to mod the hell outta it.

<<A stock turbo on a 1g dsm can get it into low 12's, its no slouch especially with a bigger turbo. >> I'm interested in seeing a "stock" turbo DSM hit the low 12's. Especially for 5k. Got any links or data you can provide???

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus01
<Here we have a couple of 5k dsm's humiliating a 40k american dream.>

Quit with the ignorant a$$ statements. With the mods it takes to drop those cars into the low 13's cost more than 5k. You're thinking 5k just for the car itself. Then you have to mod the hell outta it.

<<A stock turbo on a 1g dsm can get it into low 12's, its no slouch especially with a bigger turbo. >> I'm interested in seeing a "stock" turbo DSM hit the low 12's. Especially for 5k. Got any links or data you can provide???

actually, you can find a turbo 1G for as low as $2000, but the turbo housing might be cracked. as for mods, check here. keep in mind that the 1G weighs ~400lbs (i think) less than the 2G.

 

[LikeLinus]

You're going to need more than a turbo on that 4c to produce sub 13 times. And at only 5k??

Alone the turbo is going to cost 2k minimum. So you're left with 3k for a car that runs great with a good motor in it? You are NOT going to get a full 12 second car for 5k. Theres no chance in hell.

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus01
<Here we have a couple of 5k dsm's humiliating a 40k american dream.>

Quit with the ignorant a$$ statements. With the mods it takes to drop those cars into the low 13's cost more than 5k. You're thinking 5k just for the car itself. Then you have to mod the hell outta it.

<<A stock turbo on a 1g dsm can get it into low 12's, its no slouch especially with a bigger turbo. >> I'm interested in seeing a "stock" turbo DSM hit the low 12's. Especially for 5k. Got any links or data you can provide???

1. You should re-read what i said, and 2. you should read up on dsm's before talking jibberish.

I said the turbo on a dsm, which is a mitsubishi td05 6cm 14b is capable of getting a dsm into the low 12's. I didnt say a stock dsm is going to hit low 12's, they run 15's flat in stock trim.
You do not need 5k to get a dsm into the 12's, although some people do spend 5k or more. All it takes is knowledge(little tricks here and there) and driving skills.
Turbo's also dont cost 2k for dsm's(maybe the fancy garrett ball bearing ones do), but a brand new 16g turbo's(capable of 11's) only cost 600 bucks.

Oh you want proof also? Heres a guy who ran mid 12's with only $775 invested into his 12 year old talon.
Any other questions?

Oh and dsm's make great auto-x cars, you cant beat awd around the corners.

 

[The Stigenator]

That car is Angelyn's car..

That's the only pink corvette I know of.

look for a post of mine about 3 weeks back.. i posted about seeing her car on the freeway.

Who's the guy driving that car.. ?

 

[LikeLinus]

shabby, i'm sorry, but i owned a 2nd Gen 1997 GTX. They really aren't that great of cars, sorry to break it to you. They are cheaply made POS.

Also the link you provided really doesn't mean much to me. Sorry but i don't believe some guys post on a DSM board tyring to show off 🙂 He's using a gutted out car and running at 20psi (wonder how long his turbo will last) and dropping a 12.52? Yeah, i believe him. I've driven these cars and i can't see how the simple mods he's done can drop more than 3 seconds off his quarter.

Anyway, i'd still be interested in seeing anyone purchase one of those cars and make it a 12second car for only 5k.

 

[notfred]

What we have in here is a large group of magazine racers who don't really have any idea what they're talking about. (with the exception of a few people, like Laust). How do you know you can build a 12 sec car for $5000, have you done it? No? Show me your 11 12 and/or 13 second timeslips,or sit down and shut up. Actually, hell, show me any timeslips at all, Even a 15 second timeslip from a stick car, that indicates that you've actually been to a racetrack and most likely at least talked to someone about making ytour car faster.

There's not much more pathetic in the world of high performance cars than people with stock slow cars arguing with other people with slow cars about the hypothetical performance of a $5000 that doesn't actually exist.

Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Either way, you're comparing a $15k car with a $50k car. Either way, it would get OWNED by this cheap DSM.

Why does that car have Ford Thunderbird rims on it?

 

[shabby]

LikeLinus01: your second gen dsm uses a t25 turbo which some call a hair dryer, it pumps nothing but hot air, you'll be lucky to get into the 13's with it. The 14b on the other hand is a very capable turbo, obviously you dont know that
Did you even look at the video's he posted? Im showing you proof and blow it off? Maybe i should take your hand to the track and show him running mid 12's, hows that? Ignorance is bliss.

notfred: Whats this with magazine racers? I owned a dsm for almost 2 years and i know what they're capable off, you obviously dont. I go to test and tune's monthly with friends and we run our cars, im no keyboard racer.
Heres a recipe for a 12 second dsm: 1990 awd talon 3k, 1k in mods(visit the link i posted), driving skills.
Go pick up a copy of Maximum boost and learn about the benefits of volumetric and thermal efficiency.

Im done with this conversation, you cant teach an old dog new tricks.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: shabby
notfred: Whats this with magazine racers? I owned a dsm for almost 2 years and i know what they're capable off, you obviously dont. I go to test and tune's monthly with friends and we run our cars, im no keyboard racer.
Heres a recipe for a 12 second dsm: 1990 awd talon 3k, 1k in mods(visit the link i posted), driving skills.
Go pick up a copy of Maximum boost and learn about the benefits of volumetric and thermal efficiency.

Im done with this conversation, you cant teach and old dog new tricks.

Two years at test and tune every week in your $4k 12 second car, and not one timeslip to show for it?

 

[LAUST]

cause HP is only a calculation, there is no real number for it on a dyno,

 

[Ns1]

for the amount of money that the vette cost, it BETTER spank the dsm

 

[LikeLinus]

<<Did you even look at the video's he posted? Im showing you proof and blow it off? Maybe i should take your hand to the track and show him running mid 12's, hows that? Ignorance is bliss.>>

Wow, with all that apparent knowledge, you missed what i meant. I'm not saying that car doesn't run a 12 second; i'm saying he's probably not being very truthful about the mods and money he's dropped in the car.

Can you show me some more proof other than some guy on a BBS? Some timeslips and actual recorded documentation? Some magazine articles? I'm just really curious to see a 5k car drop 12seconds. I'm not saying its not possible, it's just odd.

 

[geno]

Why does that car have Ford Thunderbird rims on it?

It doesn't, some of the older DSMs have rims that look similar to the TBird rims.

 

[geno]

And as for the "I've only invested xxx amount of money and ran a xxx time", doesn't matter much on turbo cars. I could drop 10 bucks on a grainger valve and and adjustable fuel regulator and run 13's all day on a FWD car, that's not impressive. What IS impressive, is running that in street form, at a reliable level. Jamming the boost up for a drag race is like O/Cing your CPU way beyond its capabilities and saying "Look! It ran at 3Ghz for 10 seconds, fast eh?"

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus01
shabby, i'm sorry, but i owned a 2nd Gen 1997 GTX. They really aren't that great of cars, sorry to break it to you. They are cheaply made POS.

Also the link you provided really doesn't mean much to me. Sorry but i don't believe some guys post on a DSM board tyring to show off 🙂 He's using a gutted out car and running at 20psi (wonder how long his turbo will last) and dropping a 12.52? Yeah, i believe him. I've driven these cars and i can't see how the simple mods he's done can drop more than 3 seconds off his quarter.

Anyway, i'd still be interested in seeing anyone purchase one of those cars and make it a 12second car for only 5k.

a "GTX" huh? and what car did you replace that "GTX" with that makes the "GTX" seem like a POS?

 

[LikeLinus]

I replaced it with a 97 GT Shinoda Boss. It was NOT the big daddy, bored out 650ci. It was a 4.6 vortec supercharged.

The best picture i could find was here

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/6218/97boss.html

Except my car didn't have the red decal at the top of the windshield and it didn't say BOSS down the front of the hood, mine was solid black.

I can post some pictures after work. It got totaled coming out of a blockbuster. At the same time i also owned a 94 Lightning, i miss that truck, it was a lot of fun. Now i want a 2002 black lightning 😀 I've got a 2000 extended cab 5.4L F150, but its just not fast enough. Maybe it needs a visit with LAUST 🙂

 

[LikeLinus]

Also "TuffGuy" The reason the GTX was a POS is NOT because of the car i replaced it with (although the Mustang was a far superior car). The reason is because it was a serious POS. I had to have the clutch/transmission worked on 2 times. At 38k the air compressor went out?? Costing me $1500 out of pocket, right out of warranty. Then we come to find out Mitsubisihi had known about said problems with their cars and a class action lawsuit was filed. They had been lying about customers complaints and car problems. They eventually had to recall 1.3 million cars (including the "GTX") and admitted to lying about the whole ordeal. Great company and a Great car.

http://detnews.com/2001/autos/0102/16/b03-188956.htm

Read the very first line

Already scarred by a huge recall and the admission that it had been systematically hiding driver complaints, Mitsubishi Motors Corp. is recalling thousands of the same vehicles, the result of "truly a shoddy setup," the company's president said Thursday.

In the latest recall, Mitsubishi reported to the Japanese government five types of auto defects in 11 models on the domestic market

So in the end.....DSM are SERIOUS POS. I'd own a corvette over a 5k machine any day. I'd own any car other than a DSM.


http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2001-02-15-mitsubishi-recall.htm

another one for your pleasure

The sedans were recalled once last summer. In Japan, 232,514 sedans produced from 1992 to 2001 are being recalled for the second time for the same problem.

"It was truly a shoddy setup that deserves criticism," Sonobe said of having to recall the vehicles a second time.

Recalled for a SECOND TIME. Jeeze. Great cars you got there. So even if you could make a 5k Race Rocket do a 12 second Quarter, it'd be broken by the time you locked on the brakes (of course they'd deny everything).

Cars from 1992-2001. LOL

 

[Demon-Xanth]

9 second street car

Amazing 🙂

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: LikeLinus01
<<Did you even look at the video's he posted? Im showing you proof and blow it off? Maybe i should take your hand to the track and show him running mid 12's, hows that? Ignorance is bliss.>>

Wow, with all that apparent knowledge, you missed what i meant. I'm not saying that car doesn't run a 12 second; i'm saying he's probably not being very truthful about the mods and money he's dropped in the car.

Can you show me some more proof other than some guy on a BBS? Some timeslips and actual recorded documentation? Some magazine articles? I'm just really curious to see a 5k car drop 12seconds. I'm not saying its not possible, it's just odd.

Hotrod did a writeup on a guy who built a Nova for $10,700 that went deep into the 12's (it was a challenge to him, and he couldn't use stuff just laying around). And I got a friend who's put a total of $2k into an El Camino that'll probably pull mid 13's (He hasn't had a chance to take it to the track yet)