SamurAchzar
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And who should pay for the damage in Israel, which amounts to 3bil$ (including indirect damage)?
If Israel would even offer them a single cent it will be US money they are offering anyway.
But they won't. Since it's US weapons that killed all those civilians and destroyed most of the infrastructure it would be a nice idea to pay at least part of it.
Just give Israel a few billions weapons for free less next year, and most can be rebuild from the money which is saved.
But they won't. Since it's US weapons that killed all those civilians and destroyed most of the infrastructure it would be a nice idea to pay at least part of it.
Just give Israel a few billions weapons for free less next year, and most can be rebuild from the money which is saved.
Exactly. Agreed. Here's why.
Tit-for-tat.
Israel sits on a pile of 400+ nukes and is the size of a small USA State.
Jihadists have x amount of nukes. Plenty enough to wax Israel sad to say. And the Middle Eastern Jihadist Nations like Iran are each huge by comparison to Israel's landmass. They can take some land loss from nukes. Israel can't.
When the USA/Israeli/British War Machine goes tactical nuclear on Iran's juicy targets, if that attack is deemed to have resulted in massive nuclear fallout and genocide, an Islamic Jihad will commence. Probably with some horrific surprises for the Western Nations.
That Jihad would be fueled by rage, so it would ignore the fact more nukes hitting them would be the cost of their counter attacks with their own lesser cruder nukes. 10 kilotons here. 10 kilotons there. Portable terrorist type nukes hidden in vehicles. For example.
There's no way the economy of Israel can take even one such nuke in a city like Tel Aviv. The dirty radiation would be the main problem. It would devastate the Country for 10 years at least. And make a large area of land uninhabitable until mankinds invents a way to neutralize radiation pollution.
All because people can't figure out a way over there to do what some of the millions of soldiers in the trenches during WWI did. They learned how to "live and let live". Each side agreed to leave the other side alone in some areas of the Front. So much senseless mass killing had occured. In time, some German, French and English soldiers realized the wisdom of staying alive by mutually not attacking each other by a sort of unwritten truce.
It's a horrible thing when men kill each other in great mass. War like that is always a sick disaster and a failure of humanity to overcome the risk of annihilating each other.
The trend these days is for a strong Nation to pulverize a weak one with 'Shock and Awe', just to avoid loosing some troops. Lebanon lost some Hezbollah fighters alright. But at a cost of many times more civilians. And the huge cost of rebuilding.
Uh reality check. The jihadists don't have nukes. The only Islamic nation with nukes is Pakistan which has absolutely no interest getting involved in any way in a nuclear exchange with Israel. Iran may get nukes in the future, but they definately don't have them yet according to all the intel reports both the US and Israel have given out. (Its hard to see what benefit there would be from lying if Iran actually has nukes already.)
By the way, you need to educate yourself about how radition and nuclear fallout works in particular. Basically within a couple of weeks after a single bomb blast, the fallout from nuclear radiation would drop to levels where essentially everywhere in Israel would be safe to live in again. Nuclear bomb's fallout mostly has a very short half-life so you'd only have fairly tiny amount left after that period. The primary problem with nuclear fallout is the people who get exposed almost immediately after the fact.
Iran and Syria have nukes. That's the unofficial word on that. It's known. Saudi Arabia has nukes as well. You just don't ever take any time to get informed about what's really going on. Only 1% of what goes on reaches CNN and Faux News Channel.
Do i really need to address the nuclear fallout issue with this hostile guy? Ever hear of Hiroshima or Nagasaki? Fallout Shelter? When a nuke lands it dumps a load of filthy radiation that gets kicked up by the blast in a massive dust cloud. Unfortunately, ...what goes up must come down. If there is a strong wind this dust flies around on a jetstream and can travel thousands of miles. Though most of the dust and all the heavier chunks do settle nearby.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fallout
Look at the map of the USA on this page. The people in the areas painted red had better be in a fallout shelter for several weeks if this were an actual true life scenario.
The term "nuclear winter" describes the fallout effects of a massive nuclear war that could theoretically destroy much of the life of the planet.
NOONE other than you an possibly a couple of other nuts believes Syria has nukes now. I think you've probably personally made up the Saudi Arabia one on your own, or at least least paying attention to some nutcase who made it up on his own. You need to stop paying attention to nutcases, or if you're coming up with this on your own you seriously need to see a mental health professional soon. There also are no sources that claim Iran has nukes now. Its not like even Al Jazeera is claiming that one. You might find some nuts who set up a website somewhere saying this, but its not like they actually have any data on the subject.
You clearly don't understand nuclear fallout. The crazy thing is the Wikpedia even makes it clear fallout is only really a problem as far as returning to an area for a few weeks. In the case of Hiroshima for instance, it was only the people who were already there during the first few days who actually generally suffered significantly from radioactive fallout.
Here's actual data on the subject.
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq5.html
Basically in 2 weeks the radiation level of the remaining fallout drops to merely .1% of what was orginally produced. You can endure a certain amount of radioactivity without any real ill effects. The link you were talking about seems to be dealing with likely situations in a full fledged nuclear war with more nukes going off and producing significantly more fallout. Just one nuke should mean about 3 weeks before basically returning everywhere at most, and this is if you want to be extremely cautious.
By the way, you appear to have read sources that heavily overrated nuclear winter. More recent sources have shown that the effects were heavily overestimated and particles in the air would come to the ground much more quickly than some of the earlier scientific studies on the subject had suggested. It would take many thousands of nuclear weapons being detonated to have any measurable nuclear winter effect at all, and even the worst case scenarios would not be severe enough to actually "destroy all life."
THe U.S. should. Especially if Lebanon is in on the "war on the terror" or whatever Bush called it. If Bush wants a happy M.E. and fight "terror!" then, the U.S. will give money to help rebuild the economy. The U.S. is in a terrible situation really. It wants to help Lebanon, it wanted to stop the Israeli campaign 1 week into the war, but the U.S. was practically.. helpless. and for freak sakes, LEBANON is not in the WAR ON TERROR! GAH JALSDJLKASD. It has a good mix of Christians, Sunnis, and Shiites.
P.S. Saud Arabia ALREADY donated money 1 week INTO the war. I'm sure they will donate more and I'm sure Arab countries will keep on donating money. Qatar (or was it Kuwait or Bahrain??) donated $500 million to the Katrina efforts, they will no doubt donate to the Lebanese rebuilding efforts. Oh, and Hizbullah will gladly help rebuild Lebanon. Funny, how these Shiite Militants (Hezbollah) doesn't really want a Islamic state unlike the ones in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan.
P.S. Saud Arabia ALREADY donated money 1 week INTO the war. I'm sure they will donate more and I'm sure Arab countries will keep on donating money. Qatar (or was it Kuwait or Bahrain??) donated $500 million to the Katrina efforts, they will no doubt donate to the Lebanese rebuilding efforts. Oh, and Hizbullah will gladly help rebuild Lebanon. Funny, how these Shiite Militants (Hezbollah) doesn't really want a Islamic state unlike the ones in Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan.
They will. And of course, they will also get more recruits and this war will start all over again for the exact same reasons.
Yes it will. It will begin again no matter what the US/UN/civilized world does/doesn't do. And it will continue until somebody wins.
Don't take this the worng way straightalker, but it might be best if you just stopped talking. Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia do nto have nukes, this is the word that everyone with and knoweldge on the subject has. Adding that completely incorrect remark to your many other "interesting" opinion and "facts" has pretty much cost you any credibility in this thread. IT would probably be best if you were to post in another thread like the DU thread that is already filled with so much mindless babble that you will seem normal.
Aegeon chill out and stop trashing the thread. You are being an assss. Calling people crazy is also a real cheap drag for everyone here to have to listen to. Dog eat dog noise. For the sake of the forum learn how to get along with people who don't bow down to your isolated personal Worldview.
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In the meantime Russia and China, who have been very rigidly advising Syria and Iran to take the heat from Israel without cracking into a sweat, have been pouring into these two Jihadist Nations missiles, mines, guns and the whole updated warfare package needed to knock out the West's hardware and troops.
I would imagine Russia and China will be supporting Iran and Syria as the later two supply and repair Lebanon. Sadly, Lebanon will continue to get kicked around as the buffer zone between Israel and Syria. All that hate there is going to make Lebanon a perpetual warzone. Until a final decisive conflict occurs in the area. Armeggedon in the end.
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Agreed.
In the meantime Russia and China, who have been very rigidly advising Syria and Iran to take the heat from Israel without cracking into a sweat, have been pouring into these two Jihadist Nations missiles, mines, guns and the whole updated warfare package needed to knock out the West's hardware and troops.
I would imagine Russia and China will be supporting Iran and Syria as the later two supply and repair Lebanon. Sadly, Lebanon will continue to get kicked around as the buffer zone between Israel and Syria. All that hate there is going to make Lebanon a perpetual warzone. Until a final decisive conflict occurs in the area. Armeggedon in the end.
It has nothing to do with my personal world view. It has to do with everything you're alleging is utterly removed from reality essentially. You also act like you are an expert of the subject educating everone else when you clearly are utterly clueless on the subject and have relied on websites that give insanely wrong information. As you continue to post horrificly innacurate information, I'm going to continue point it out. If you don't want this to happen, try learning more about the topics in question so you can recognize completely wrong information when you encounter it.
You also seem to be making the bizzarre assumption that China and Russia actively support Syria and Iran. Russia and China sell weaponry, but Russia agreed to limit what they would sell to Syria in order to avoid jepardizing thier relationship with Israel. Russia's military is actually buying some Israeli drones.
Of course they will and they will show that they are the true power in Lebanon and not the weak central goverment. It will be fools who let them do this thinking that it is some kind of punshment to them.
We shouldnt pay for anything, though we will pay for all of it, Israel shoudnt have to pay for a whole lot either, they didnt start this mess. u have to be stupid to pretty much randomly attack israel, they have never been too easy on their victims. i think if the UN wants to do stuff like this fairly, they should make like everyone contribute a little bit. and btw, the UN is the most utterly ridiculous pile of garbage ever.
If the terror stops, hezbollah is disarmed and Israel can enjoy peace with lebanon, they should help to pay, afterall they destroyed it, and I think investment from Israel would come naturally if they had neighbors that lived in peace with them. America helped to pay for Japan and Germany's reconstruction.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/15/ap/world/mainD8JGVFKO0.shtml
Iran, Syria Praise Hezbollah, Mock U.S.
Iran and Syria, Hezbollah's main backers, praise group as perceived victory, mock U.S.
TEHRAN, Iran, Aug. 15, 2006
By ALI AKBAR DAREINI Associated Press Writer
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(AP)
(AP) Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday that Hezbollah has "hoisted the banner of victory" over Israel and toppled U.S.-led plans for the Middle East. Hezbollah's main backers _ Iran and Syria _ struck nearly identical tones a day after a cease-fire took effect in Lebanon: heaping praise on the guerrillas as perceived victors for the Islamic world and claiming that Western influence in the region was dealt a serious blow.
"God's promises have come true," Ahmadinejad told a huge crowd in Arbadil in northwestern Iran. "On one side, it's corrupt powers of the criminal U.S. and Britain and the Zionists ... with modern bombs and planes. And on the other side is a group of pious youth relying on God."
In Damascus, Syrian President Syrian President Bashar Assad said Washington's plans for the Middle East were turned into "an illusion" by Hezbollah's resistance to the Israeli military during the 34-day conflict.
Israel "was defeated" and Hezbollah "hoisted the banner of victory," Ahmadinejad told the crowd, including many people waving yellow Hezbollah banners and Iranian flags.
Ahmadinejad drew cheers when he said Hezbollah foiled what he called the plans of Washington and its allies "to create the so-called new Middle East."
"The people of the region are also after the new Middle East, but a Middle East that is free from U.S. and British domination," he said.
After the war broke out July 12, Ahmadinejad and other Iranian leaders repeatedly denounced the U.N. Security Council for moving slowly toward a cease-fire. They also sharply criticized other Muslim nations for what Iran considered a failure to rally around Hezbollah and Lebanese civilians.
Ahmadinejad said the United Nations should force war reparations from Israel and its allies, led by the United States.
"Those who were involved in inflicting damage to the Lebanese nation are responsible," he said.
Ahmadinejad has drawn worldwide condemnation for calling for Israel's destruction and describing the Holocaust as a myth.
Earlier Tuesday, a hard-line Iranian cleric warned Israel that Iran's new long-range missiles will land in Tel Aviv if the Jewish state should attack Iran, state-run television said.
Ahmad Khatami, a mid-ranking cleric, declared that Israel would face dire consequences if it "makes an iota of aggression against Iran."
"They must fear the day 2,000-kilometer (1,250-mile)range missiles land in the heart of Tel Aviv," he said.
Iran, Syria Praise Hezbollah, Mock U.S.
Iran and Syria, Hezbollah's main backers, praise group as perceived victory, mock U.S.
TEHRAN, Iran, Aug. 15, 2006
By ALI AKBAR DAREINI Associated Press Writer
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(AP)
(AP) Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Tuesday that Hezbollah has "hoisted the banner of victory" over Israel and toppled U.S.-led plans for the Middle East. Hezbollah's main backers _ Iran and Syria _ struck nearly identical tones a day after a cease-fire took effect in Lebanon: heaping praise on the guerrillas as perceived victors for the Islamic world and claiming that Western influence in the region was dealt a serious blow.
"God's promises have come true," Ahmadinejad told a huge crowd in Arbadil in northwestern Iran. "On one side, it's corrupt powers of the criminal U.S. and Britain and the Zionists ... with modern bombs and planes. And on the other side is a group of pious youth relying on God."
In Damascus, Syrian President Syrian President Bashar Assad said Washington's plans for the Middle East were turned into "an illusion" by Hezbollah's resistance to the Israeli military during the 34-day conflict.
Israel "was defeated" and Hezbollah "hoisted the banner of victory," Ahmadinejad told the crowd, including many people waving yellow Hezbollah banners and Iranian flags.
Ahmadinejad drew cheers when he said Hezbollah foiled what he called the plans of Washington and its allies "to create the so-called new Middle East."
"The people of the region are also after the new Middle East, but a Middle East that is free from U.S. and British domination," he said.
After the war broke out July 12, Ahmadinejad and other Iranian leaders repeatedly denounced the U.N. Security Council for moving slowly toward a cease-fire. They also sharply criticized other Muslim nations for what Iran considered a failure to rally around Hezbollah and Lebanese civilians.
Ahmadinejad said the United Nations should force war reparations from Israel and its allies, led by the United States.
"Those who were involved in inflicting damage to the Lebanese nation are responsible," he said.
Ahmadinejad has drawn worldwide condemnation for calling for Israel's destruction and describing the Holocaust as a myth.
Earlier Tuesday, a hard-line Iranian cleric warned Israel that Iran's new long-range missiles will land in Tel Aviv if the Jewish state should attack Iran, state-run television said.
Ahmad Khatami, a mid-ranking cleric, declared that Israel would face dire consequences if it "makes an iota of aggression against Iran."
"They must fear the day 2,000-kilometer (1,250-mile)range missiles land in the heart of Tel Aviv," he said.
blackangst1
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