Who really still wants Social Security?

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
sure, then why do you rant like a self centered brat?
you think the service would have knocked you around a bit and tught you to grow up some.
I guess clinton really did wussify the army more then I heard.
and basic doesen't count as active duty you peter puffer.

stop editing, and start telling my when, where and what you served in, what you did i wanna hear, it cause you made this claim, ....so you better give it up, b4 i show you everyone how easy it is to put your own foot in your mouth....

you cant cause you didnt....you have been beating around the bush.....you mad eit up...STFU...

your crediablity is now -20

my credibility is -20 to a 300+ Post hannity clone...yep keep dreaming that I care.
You have already shown yourself to be a twit in here 300+ times.

 

[Deptacon]

yet you still cant answer the question...... hahahaha...dont get into me, you start this piss match..... i wanst jumping on anyone...and you just went off...please.... think what you want...

i bet a lot of dems think you give them a bad name....cause i think you do...i canhave good political discussions with most....and then you step in..... and boom...there is goes...

at least conjur can keep it straight....very liberal....but straight...

CAN WE GET BACK TO SS NOW!!!!! with someone intelligent...and has some value to add....besides blah blah blah

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Deptacon
yet you still cant answer the question...... hahahaha...dont get into me, you start this piss match..... i wanst jumping on anyone...and you just went off...please.... think what you want...

Ahem, another 10 minute attention span dittohead....

Originally posted by: Deptacon

typical democrat response and attidutde, you thin k every average america is stupid and dumb except for your snooty more educated selves...... thats why you keep loosing seats, thats why you loose elections.....

assumption is the mother of all fu*k ups....

Your the one who stepped into the thread with the BS and assumptions.

Here let me scan in my military records and email them post-haste to a guard kid with a chip on his shoulder in college while we have a war on that supposedly he supports. -not

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
If people would cut up the credit cards and live within their means, this includes SAVING MONEY, then we wouldn't need this crap.

yeah, and then no one would have any credit to ever get a home loan..... credit cards can help you creidt wise, as long as your not an idiot that spends it like its a bank account

One doesn't need credit cards to buy a house. A good friend of mine has never had a credit card nor a car loan and bought a house via FHA with very little money down back in Nov. 2004.

Saving is what people need to do. But, in today's consumer society, that's just not going to happen.

saving is important...yes...but if you play the credit game right you can help yourself out....of course if your income level is right you can get any loan....

whats FHA stand for?

Federal Housing Administration.

Take a look at http://www.hud.gov

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Deptacon
yet you still cant answer the question...... hahahaha...dont get into me, you start this piss match..... i wanst jumping on anyone...and you just went off...please.... think what you want...

Ahem, another 10 minute attention span dittohead....

Originally posted by: Deptacon

typical democrat response and attidutde, you thin k every average america is stupid and dumb except for your snooty more educated selves...... thats why you keep loosing seats, thats why you loose elections.....

assumption is the mother of all fu*k ups....

Your the one who stepped into the thread with the BS and assumptions.

Here let me scan in my military records and email them post-haste to a guard kid dodging his duty in iraq with a chip on his shoulder. -not

1. im not dodging shit.... i havent been activated....

2. i didnt start the BS pissing match....YOU did...

3. I didnt star tthe assumptions... YOU DID....

4. you still didnt answer the qwuestion..i asked what you did in the military, and where you were..... and you didint answer that, you kept beating around the bush, and still havent answered the question. CANT REMEBER WHAT YOUR OWN JOB WAS? And im done talking to you now unless you can answer the question without calling people names.... with stupid sensless attacks....grow up


and im not a kid... im 23 yrs old....im young...but im not a kid....

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
If people would cut up the credit cards and live within their means, this includes SAVING MONEY, then we wouldn't need this crap.

yeah, and then no one would have any credit to ever get a home loan..... credit cards can help you creidt wise, as long as your not an idiot that spends it like its a bank account

One doesn't need credit cards to buy a house. A good friend of mine has never had a credit card nor a car loan and bought a house via FHA with very little money down back in Nov. 2004.

Saving is what people need to do. But, in today's consumer society, that's just not going to happen.

saving is important...yes...but if you play the credit game right you can help yourself out....of course if your income level is right you can get any loan....

whats FHA stand for?

Federal Housing Administration.

Take a look at http://www.hud.gov

thanks...ill check it out

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why do people automatically assume that they will still have SS if the stock market crashes or the economy fails?

Because SS is paid from payroll taxes and government bonds, not stock market paper wealth.
For SS to not be able to pay, the government will have to default on its loans AND people would have to stop working and earning salaries. Salaries and government debt are much more reliable than stock markets.

 

[Trevelyan]

Yeah, I'm more concerned with just keeping my job as it is now, not to mention worrying about SS 40 years from now

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why do people automatically assume that they will still have SS if the stock market crashes or the economy fails?

Because SS is paid from payroll taxes and government bonds, not stock market paper wealth.
For SS to not be able to pay, the government will have to default on its loans AND people would have to stop working and earning salaries. Salaries and government debt are much more reliable than stock markets.

You can trust your money to government all you want, but how about giving the rest of us a choice? Why can't SS be optional? If abortion can be optional, why not SS?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why do people automatically assume that they will still have SS if the stock market crashes or the economy fails?

Because SS is paid from payroll taxes and government bonds, not stock market paper wealth.
For SS to not be able to pay, the government will have to default on its loans AND people would have to stop working and earning salaries. Salaries and government debt are much more reliable than stock markets.

You can trust your money to government all you want, but how about giving the rest of us a choice? Why can't SS be optional? If abortion can be optional, why not SS?

Because we didn't have a choice and if we give you a choice all the money we paid into Social Security for our parents, which has been replaced by the stack of IOUs left by your government in that file cabinet in Virginia, will never be repaid.

Do you think that's fair?

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why do people automatically assume that they will still have SS if the stock market crashes or the economy fails?

Because SS is paid from payroll taxes and government bonds, not stock market paper wealth.
For SS to not be able to pay, the government will have to default on its loans AND people would have to stop working and earning salaries. Salaries and government debt are much more reliable than stock markets.

You can trust your money to government all you want, but how about giving the rest of us a choice? Why can't SS be optional? If abortion can be optional, why not SS?

Because we didn't have a choice and if we give you a choice all the money we paid into Social Security for our parents, which has been replaced by the stack of IOUs left by your government in that file cabinet in Virginia, will never be repaid.

Do you think that's fair?

Yes. IT is fairer then to steal from others. Besides I thought you claimed to have paid into SS because you gave a damn about your elders I guess the truth finally came out.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why do people automatically assume that they will still have SS if the stock market crashes or the economy fails?

Because SS is paid from payroll taxes and government bonds, not stock market paper wealth.
For SS to not be able to pay, the government will have to default on its loans AND people would have to stop working and earning salaries. Salaries and government debt are much more reliable than stock markets.

You can trust your money to government all you want, but how about giving the rest of us a choice? Why can't SS be optional? If abortion can be optional, why not SS?

Because we didn't have a choice and if we give you a choice all the money we paid into Social Security for our parents, which has been replaced by the stack of IOUs left by your government in that file cabinet in Virginia, will never be repaid.

Do you think that's fair?

Yes. IT is fairer then to steal from others. Besides I thought you claimed to have paid into SS because you gave a damn about your elders I guess the truth finally came out.

How is it fairer to steal from me than others? Just because it's you who doesn't have to pay?

And where did you get the idea I didn't pay FICA?

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Mursilis

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Why do people automatically assume that they will still have SS if the stock market crashes or the economy fails?

Because SS is paid from payroll taxes and government bonds, not stock market paper wealth.
For SS to not be able to pay, the government will have to default on its loans AND people would have to stop working and earning salaries. Salaries and government debt are much more reliable than stock markets.

You can trust your money to government all you want, but how about giving the rest of us a choice? Why can't SS be optional? If abortion can be optional, why not SS?

Because we didn't have a choice and if we give you a choice all the money we paid into Social Security for our parents, which has been replaced by the stack of IOUs left by your government in that file cabinet in Virginia, will never be repaid.

Do you think that's fair?

Yes. IT is fairer then to steal from others. Besides I thought you claimed to have paid into SS because you gave a damn about your elders I guess the truth finally came out.

How is it fairer to steal from me than others? Just because it's you who doesn't have to pay?

And where did you get the idea I didn't pay FICA?

You already had the money stolen from you and your trying to steal more money then you paid into the system. Also it isn't my job to make sure your not to stupid to make a bad investment. Your generation should have called for the end of SS it isn't my problem if you where to greedy or short sighted to see future generations not wanting to invest in a scheme that if we are luck will get 70% of the benifits after being bent over by the steal from your children fund.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Spencer278


You already had the money stolen from you and your trying to steal more money then you paid into the system. Also it isn't my job to make sure your not to stupid to make a bad investment. Your generation should have called for the end of SS it isn't my problem if you where to greedy or short sighted to see future generations not wanting to invest in a scheme that if we are luck will get 70% of the benifits after being bent over by the steal from your children fund.

Excuses, excuses.

Stop whining and get to work.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Spencer278


You already had the money stolen from you and your trying to steal more money then you paid into the system. Also it isn't my job to make sure your not to stupid to make a bad investment. Your generation should have called for the end of SS it isn't my problem if you where to greedy or short sighted to see future generations not wanting to invest in a scheme that if we are luck will get 70% of the benifits after being bent over by the steal from your children fund.

Excuses, excuses.

Stop whining and get to work.

Yup, Got to keep them welfare queens happy.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Spencer278


You already had the money stolen from you and your trying to steal more money then you paid into the system. Also it isn't my job to make sure your not to stupid to make a bad investment. Your generation should have called for the end of SS it isn't my problem if you where to greedy or short sighted to see future generations not wanting to invest in a scheme that if we are luck will get 70% of the benifits after being bent over by the steal from your children fund.

Excuses, excuses.

Stop whining and get to work.

Yup, Got to keep them welfare queens happy.

I have no idea what kind of queens you're keeping happy. For all I know you could be Jeff Gannon.

Just get to work and make sure my SS check is on time.

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Spencer278


You already had the money stolen from you and your trying to steal more money then you paid into the system. Also it isn't my job to make sure your not to stupid to make a bad investment. Your generation should have called for the end of SS it isn't my problem if you where to greedy or short sighted to see future generations not wanting to invest in a scheme that if we are luck will get 70% of the benifits after being bent over by the steal from your children fund.

Excuses, excuses.

Stop whining and get to work.

Yup, Got to keep them welfare queens happy.

"Welfare Queens" now draw from Social Security??? Daimn.....and all this time I thought it was the senior citizens and those whom were physically disabled.........

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
If people would cut up the credit cards and live within their means, this includes SAVING MONEY, then we wouldn't need this crap.

yeah, and then no one would have any credit to ever get a home loan..... credit cards can help you creidt wise, as long as your not an idiot that spends it like its a bank account

That is a myth preached to you by someone who is probably in debt due to credit cards. You don't have to get a loan from a major corporate bank that worships at the altar of the FICO. Learn about manual underwriting.

Holy Lord. I wrote something that almost completely overlapped a Conjur post.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Deptacon
yet you still cant answer the question...... hahahaha...dont get into me, you start this piss match..... i wanst jumping on anyone...and you just went off...please.... think what you want...

Ahem, another 10 minute attention span dittohead....

Originally posted by: Deptacon

typical democrat response and attidutde, you thin k every average america is stupid and dumb except for your snooty more educated selves...... thats why you keep loosing seats, thats why you loose elections.....

assumption is the mother of all fu*k ups....

Your the one who stepped into the thread with the BS and assumptions.

Here let me scan in my military records and email them post-haste to a guard kid dodging his duty in iraq with a chip on his shoulder. -not

1. im not dodging shit.... i havent been activated....

2. i didnt start the BS pissing match....YOU did...

3. I didnt star tthe assumptions... YOU DID....

4. you still didnt answer the qwuestion..i asked what you did in the military, and where you were..... and you didint answer that, you kept beating around the bush, and still havent answered the question. CANT REMEBER WHAT YOUR OWN JOB WAS? And im done talking to you now unless you can answer the question without calling people names.... with stupid sensless attacks....grow up


and im not a kid... im 23 yrs old....im young...but im not a kid....

Just forget it man. Some people just enjoy getting under military skin. Don't even feed the trolls.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I can always buy private accounts on top of SS. I am 24, and have about $100K in my 401K and Roth IRA combined.
But should I wake up one day to a stock market crash, I will be happy to know there is still SS around. I am a low maintainance guy. I can live perfectly happily on SS check, or even 70% of SS check should it need to get cut. Peace of mind is a lot more important to me than the actual return. I want a guaranteed minimum living standard when I retire. That's SS. I don't expect it to make me rich. I have other investments for that.

if the market crash is so bad that that it wipes out everything you have (assuming proper diversification) i don't think enough of the economy will be around to pay you your SS.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Who still wants SS, Justadude? You do, you just haven't figured it out quite yet. Apparently, a fair number of people never will, being mentally snakebit by rightwing rhetoric...

i want SS, i just realize that the pay as you go setup is doomed unless we go through a giant population boom that lasts until the world explodes. you can institute minor reforms but all they do is push back the date of collapse, not keep collapse from happening. a fully funded system is the way to go.

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I can always buy private accounts on top of SS. I am 24, and have about $100K in my 401K and Roth IRA combined.
But should I wake up one day to a stock market crash, I will be happy to know there is still SS around. I am a low maintainance guy. I can live perfectly happily on SS check, or even 70% of SS check should it need to get cut. Peace of mind is a lot more important to me than the actual return. I want a guaranteed minimum living standard when I retire. That's SS. I don't expect it to make me rich. I have other investments for that.

if the market crash is so bad that that it wipes out everything you have (assuming proper diversification) i don't think enough of the economy will be around to pay you your SS.

LOL! If it's that bad............currency may not matter anyway........a nice gold stash would be nice though!

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: EndGame

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I can always buy private accounts on top of SS. I am 24, and have about $100K in my 401K and Roth IRA combined.
But should I wake up one day to a stock market crash, I will be happy to know there is still SS around. I am a low maintainance guy. I can live perfectly happily on SS check, or even 70% of SS check should it need to get cut. Peace of mind is a lot more important to me than the actual return. I want a guaranteed minimum living standard when I retire. That's SS. I don't expect it to make me rich. I have other investments for that.

if the market crash is so bad that that it wipes out everything you have (assuming proper diversification) i don't think enough of the economy will be around to pay you your SS.

LOL! If it's that bad............currency may not matter anyway........a nice gold stash would be nice though!

If the economy wipes then your possessions with some sort of utility and your personal 'skills' will be the most useful. Do you really think some moron is going to trade you a hunk of meat for a chunk of gold that he can't bartar into something else?

Okay, okay, let's hope we're never forced back into the bartar system.

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: EndGame

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I can always buy private accounts on top of SS. I am 24, and have about $100K in my 401K and Roth IRA combined.
But should I wake up one day to a stock market crash, I will be happy to know there is still SS around. I am a low maintainance guy. I can live perfectly happily on SS check, or even 70% of SS check should it need to get cut. Peace of mind is a lot more important to me than the actual return. I want a guaranteed minimum living standard when I retire. That's SS. I don't expect it to make me rich. I have other investments for that.

if the market crash is so bad that that it wipes out everything you have (assuming proper diversification) i don't think enough of the economy will be around to pay you your SS.

LOL! If it's that bad............currency may not matter anyway........a nice gold stash would be nice though!

If the economy wipes then your possessions with some sort of utility and your personal 'skills' will be the most useful. Do you really think some moron is going to trade you a hunk of meat for a chunk of gold that he can't bartar into something else?

Okay, okay, let's hope we're never forced back into the bartar system.

Actually, unless your talking nuclear holocaust which would wipe the whole world basiclly, gold will always be valued and was the currency standard worlwide long before anything else. A purely economical world catastrophy would reset things on a gold standard most likely. Same with a purely economical US catastrophy........we would be forced to trade on a gold standard.

 

[Cerb]

If I live to 65+, and I'm not in better health than I am right now, I don't want to bother living long enough to start collecting.