Who really still wants Social Security?

[ReiAyanami]

Oh, I see... I should get screwed over because some idiot can't save money for themselves. That's nonsense. Part of freedom is the ability to succeed as well as the ability to fail. Government shouldn't prevent people from failing. Government shouldn't be the parents to adults.

agreed. old people should just have more children to support them. this is how they do it in other countries.

next step is mandatory state-sponsored elimination of the "failures". germany tried this 50 years ago. china does it now.

Why should the majority of people suffer so a few people can benefit?

actually somebody mentioned on one of these boards that 50% of seniors depend on SS as their sole income source and a whopping 72% say SS is a major portion of the income. cat food?

i mean 50% of people have below average competence. the way you worded your question implies social security taxes should be raised so that they (the majority) would benefit from YOU.

 

[mhillary]

I do.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: LatinJones
You might be able to save your money well, but can you beat inflation?

If you can't beat inflation with your investments then the economy is dead and social security would probably be dead as well. Either that or the invester is dumb.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I can always buy private accounts on top of SS. I am 24, and have about $100K in my 401K and Roth IRA combined.
But should I wake up one day to a stock market crash, I will be happy to know there is still SS around. I am a low maintainance guy. I can live perfectly happily on SS check, or even 70% of SS check should it need to get cut. Peace of mind is a lot more important to me than the actual return. I want a guaranteed minimum living standard when I retire. That's SS. I don't expect it to make me rich. I have other investments for that.

Why do people automatically assume that they will still have SS if the stock market crashes or the economy fails?

 

[Jhhnn]

From Fingolfin269-

"Why do people automatically assume that they will still have SS if the stock market crashes or the economy fails?"

Historical precedent- 1929. The uber wealthy and the government were the only men left standing, and the govt was the only one accountable to the citizenry, short of revolution. It took a major political shift in 1932 to achieve some direction other than down, but the govt managed to respond in ways that were mostly constructive.

Who still wants SS, Justadude? You do, you just haven't figured it out quite yet. Apparently, a fair number of people never will, being mentally snakebit by rightwing rhetoric...

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan
It's not about whether I or you can do better... its about what we do with those people who inevitably WILL NOT plan and end up starving old people...

so its everyone elses job to take care of those who are to lazy and ignorant to plan and take care of themselves for 65 yrs??? no, its to take care of the unfortunate, not those who dont plan.... there is a very big difference


and no i dont want social security, i can make WAAYYYY more if i could invest my own SS money

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Yellow Dog
The majority of the people do not have the income, savy, or the will power to invest for their future. Look at all the people that are in debt up to their back teeth, with past due bills coming every day. Do you really believe this person will take X dollars a payday to invest it for retirement.

Millions believe the lottery is the key to riches and will invest their share in lottery tickets.

Maybe you can do better, and I believe I can, assuming the national or world economy doesn't crash or we make the mistake of investing in the next Enron, or WorldCom, and there will be more of these in the future.

Social Security will be fine if we can keep the crooks out of the fund, specifically the congress and the president, and take the rich man's tax break away by removing the 90K cap on SS earnings every year.

typical democrat response and attidutde, you thin k every average america is stupid and dumb except for your snooty more educated selves...... thats why you keep loosing seats, thats why you loose elections.....

assumption is the mother of all fu*k ups....

and calling people dumb, the people who need to vote for you, wont get you elected....

im poor, i dont work, i have just enough money to live off of, im in college, and have tons of student loans, yet still take some money and have already started retirement plans....

again, we dont need to govt to run our lives and control everything.... social security is important....but it needs to be fixed...and i dont know how...i think the personal account might help, but there needs to be reforms to it as well

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
If people would cut up the credit cards and live within their means, this includes SAVING MONEY, then we wouldn't need this crap.

yeah, and then no one would have any credit to ever get a home loan..... credit cards can help you creidt wise, as long as your not an idiot that spends it like its a bank account

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Deptacon

im poor, i dont work, i have just enough money to live off of, im in college, and have tons of student loans, yet still take some money and have already started retirement plans....

easy to say when your mommy and daddy buy you a pimpin pontiac and you got credit cards, so fvck the lazy poor, I got mine biztches!
another right-wing spoiled brat with a silver spoon in his mouth if you ask me you and bush have a lot in common.
poor my ass, if you were poor you'd be singing a very diffrent tune once you were hungry
broke and couldn't call home.

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
easy to say when your mommy and daddy buy you a pimpin pontiac, so fvck the lazy poor, I got mine biztches!
Spoiled brat if you ask me you and bush have a lot in common.

another ignorant comment from somone who KNOWS NOTHING about me... i cut myself off from my parents when i went to college.....

i use money from working my first 2 yrs in school full time and money i get from the national guard to PIMP my car...

how about you just learn something beofre opening your mouth....actually, keep doing it, you dems are good at....it helps later on....cause then you have to insert you foot...

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Deptacon

im poor, i dont work, i have just enough money to live off of, im in college, and have tons of student loans, yet still take some money and have already started retirement plans....

easy to say when your mommy and daddy buy you a pimpin pontiac and you got credit cards, so fvck the lazy poor, I got mine biztches!
another right-wing spoiled brat with a silver spoon in his mouth if you ask me you and bush have a lot in common.
poor my ass, if you were poor you'd be singing a very diffrent tune.

i say poor.....by the standards you dems like to say make someone poor....my income level.....i make under 25,000 when i add up all my money i get for school from the military now.... i did work my first 2 yrs in school, but not anymore....taking it easy b4 i graduate....

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
If people would cut up the credit cards and live within their means, this includes SAVING MONEY, then we wouldn't need this crap.

yeah, and then no one would have any credit to ever get a home loan..... credit cards can help you creidt wise, as long as your not an idiot that spends it like its a bank account

One doesn't need credit cards to buy a house. A good friend of mine has never had a credit card nor a car loan and bought a house via FHA with very little money down back in Nov. 2004.

Saving is what people need to do. But, in today's consumer society, that's just not going to happen.

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Deptacon

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
If people would cut up the credit cards and live within their means, this includes SAVING MONEY, then we wouldn't need this crap.

yeah, and then no one would have any credit to ever get a home loan..... credit cards can help you creidt wise, as long as your not an idiot that spends it like its a bank account

One doesn't need credit cards to buy a house. A good friend of mine has never had a credit card nor a car loan and bought a house via FHA with very little money down back in Nov. 2004.

Saving is what people need to do. But, in today's consumer society, that's just not going to happen.

saving is important...yes...but if you play the credit game right you can help yourself out....of course if your income level is right you can get any loan....

whats FHA stand for?

 

[Steeplerot]

yeah you are soooo poor pimpin out your car, save your whining about the poor for those who suffer.
Guard? Hiding out in college huh? you have a lot of balls coming in here pissing all over poor
people and SS and anti-war types when your in college when you should be in iraq.

Your attitude is a freakin neon sign as to how "poor" you are.
Let's put it this way my dad was a sewer plant worker so I know the smell of sh1t a mile away.
Just another spoiled brat republican youth.

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
yeah you are poor pimpin out your car, save your whining about the poor for those who suffer.
Guard? Hiding out in college huh? you have a lot of balls coming in here pissing all over poor
people and SS and anti-war types when your in college when you should be in iraq.

Your attitude is a freakin neon sign as to how "poor" you are.
Let's put it this way my dad was a sewer plant worker so I know the smell of BS.

STFU up you know nothing, your the typcial big mouth dem, that gives other dems a wrong name.....

this istnt eh 60's you dumbasss COLLEGE DOESNT KEEP YOU HOME in the guard...your unit gets activated, YOU GO, YOU LEAVE SCHOOL.... mine has been lucky to not get activated...yet.....

how about you go do something and go to iraq.....so easy to critcize me, WTF do you do for you country besides come on here and PISS ON IT

its ignoarnt uneducated people like you that i dont like coming in this section...i thought id com in today and try to get into some meaningful convo....and here it comes, the left wing liberal BS....YOUR BS....go plant a tree or something, and stop makinjg this section so crappy

alli was trying to say was I DONT MAKE CRAP, except for ym army benifits, and still manaage to invest and prepare for ym future, so why cant everyone else.... and you come in and jump down my asss..... do we have mods here??? or is it a free for all?

 

[Steeplerot]

your the one who should be pissing yourself.
If your not lying then your going for a trip soon.
Good luck with that, when you have spent some time in active duty
like one of the "bigmouth dems" in here like myself and seen life for what it is come back and whine some.
lol a guard, probaly reserve coming in here telling ME I am pissing on my country.
Wake up and grow up life does not revolve around you.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Let's put it this way my dad was a sewer plant worker so I know the smell of sh1t a mile away.
Just another spoiled brat republican youth.

Did your parents conceive you at the plant?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Let's put it this way my dad was a sewer plant worker so I know the smell of sh1t a mile away.
Just another spoiled brat republican youth.

Did your parents conceive you at the plant?

hahahaha, nice KK!
no, but it was a awesome place to hang out we even had a field trip when I was a kid there.
(dunno why I volunteered that but the jab was cute in it's randomness.)

born from filith, terrorizing the complacent....
sh111t zooombieess unite! braaaaains!
thanks for the great idea for a short story. :thumbsup:

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
your the one who should be pissing yourself.
If your not lying then your going for a trip soon.
Good luck with that, when you have spent some time in active duty
like one of the "bigmouth dems" in here like myself and seen life for what it is come back and whine some.
lol a guard, probaly reserve coming in here telling ME I am pissing on my country.
Wake up and grow up life does not revolve around you.

oh yeah where did you serve, what did you do...please...i wanna here this..... ive been on activite duty b, just not deployed overseas....so please...just STFU

and iwanna hear this "i have been there" where, what branch, what did you do...

probaly a damn 71L paper pusher in the rear with the gear....

 

[Steeplerot]

sure, then why do you rant like a self centered brat?
you think the service would have knocked you around a bit and tught you to grow up some.
I guess clinton really did wussify the army more then I heard.
and basic doesen't count as active duty you peter puffer.

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
sure, then why do you rant like a self centered brat?
you think the service would have taught you to grow up a bit.
I guess clinton really did wussify the army more then I heard.

dont fu*king beat around the bush,. where did you serve what did you do? you said you did, you said you have been there....YOU STARTED the ranting, and then made this claim that you did it and have been there, and have served..and now your avoding the question...looks to me like you making crap up to me.....

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
sure, then why do you rant like a self centered brat?
you think the service would have knocked you around a bit and tught you to grow up some.
I guess clinton really did wussify the army more then I heard.

grow up, your the one who jumped on me asshole, you started this... how about you GROW up, stop making assumptions about people, and stop jumping on people

 

[Steeplerot]

my DD214 says different. I could care less where you served, obviously the school of hard knocks knocked you straight out and sent you packing.
Damn man where is Klixxer he used to eat you weekend warriors up. :laugh:

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
sure, then why do you rant like a self centered brat?
you think the service would have knocked you around a bit and tught you to grow up some.
I guess clinton really did wussify the army more then I heard.
and basic doesen't count as active duty you peter puffer.

stop editing, and start telling my when, where and what you served in, what you did i wanna hear, it cause you made this claim, ....so you better give it up, b4 i show you everyone how easy it is to put your own foot in your mouth....

you cant cause you didnt....you have been beating around the bush.....you mad eit up...STFU...

your crediablity is now -20

 

[Deptacon]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
my DD214 says different. I could care less where you served, obviously the school of hard knocks knocked you straight out and sent you packing.

hmmm you know what a 214 is....did you get it from the coast guard...or pulling your golf bag around on the links in the airforce.... please...you didint do shit.... "i served"

please..... your 214 prolly says discharge...... didnt complete basic training...