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DrPizza

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high rate of fire has its use when playing speedball, being able to suppress the other team is often a very good idea
True. The place I've played at only wants people using their paintballs. They try to steer players toward the speedball courses more than village or wooded courses. A lot more profit because people end up buying at least an extra quarter case.

I always had mixed feelings about speedball courses - hated blowing through an entire hopper of balls so quickly. Though, it did lead to one of the more memorable games I've played. Forgot to refill after a longer game, ran out of balls 10 seconds into an indoor speedball game. Succeeded on getting to the other end of the field on a suicide run (noobs.) And made about 3/4 of the other team surrender by sticking my barrel in their backs and yelling "Surrender!" After the game, one of the refs asked, "why the hell didn't you just shoot them instead of taking a chance and getting so close?" "Uh, I was out of balls." Noob:"is he allowed to do that?" "Yep" "But what if we don't surrender?" "Then if he's bluffing, shoot him. Personally, I'd never take that chance." The very next game, I managed to circle around the other team again. Last player - I almost shot, but thought it'd be funny to make him surrender in front of everyone. "Surrender!" "NO!!" as he rolled on his side and started firing like mad. He *had* a tasmanian devil tattoo, it was about a week old. My first shot drilled it at point blank range, leaving a circular scar over Taz.
 

HumblePie

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I know LOTS about paintball :)

I have several questions.

First, what is the age of your kid? Second, how much of a budget do you have to spend?

Those are the two most important questions to ask. The first is because younger kids will be harder on their guns and less likely to maintain them properly. As such, I highly recommend sticking with rentals for awhile.

If the kid is old enough that you as a father trust to respect his marker and take care of it properly, then the second question is far more paramount. If the kid is still fairly young, but you REALLY want him having his own gear, then getting a tank of a marker and a cheap one is going to my highest recommendation.

With paintball, if looking for all new equipment, one can buy everything needed for under $300 pretty easy. From there, the sky is the limit when it comes to paintball gear.

For the low end with a "tank" of a gun, get a tippman 98. They are cheap, practically indestructible, and require very little maintenance. A tippman 98 with a gravity fed hopper, cheap max, and small CO2 tank will not cost all that much. Many sites provide a starter package with everything you need with this gun for $150 roughly.

http://www.tippmannpros.com/p-250-tippmann-98-custom-ps-ultra-paintball-marker-mega-gun-set.aspx

This setup will work as a good starter setup and teach your kid a bit more about respecting their equipment, let them learn maintenance, and still have fun.

I will say that the tippmans are NOT performance markers. Your kid will not be the envy of all the other kids out on the field with that setup.


If your kid is a bit older, willing to keep good care of his equipment, AND you got a decent budget to spend then you might want to consider some other options.

Personally, you'll see people recommend those cheap Spyders and Kingman markers. I say don't bother. Those markers are typically a nightmare. They have shooting problems quite often, lots of maintenance is required to keep them going, and really don't perform all that well for the money. They also typically have their own proprietary parts that prevent any sort of after market upgrades or replacements when things break.

Now, if you are deciding to go with something beyond a tippmann for a purchase, the next question to answer is what TYPE of gun design would you be more interested in. There are two major types of gun designs. Poppit style valve guns and Spool style valve guns. Each has different charastics and pros/cons. Let me explain the differences.

Poppit = slightly older technology, but more mature. Poppit guns typically require less maintenance, need replacement parts (o-rings for example) less often, are more air efficient (requires less air used per shot to shoot a ball out of the gun at a specified velocity), and are typically cheaper.

As for cons they are louder guns. They usually have a bit of kick/recoil associated with them (nothing that will make the gun jump out of your hand but enough to be felt when compared with spool guns). A chopped ball while playing may prevent the gun from firing again until the broken ball is cleaned out first. Can be heavier in weight especially the older stacked tube designs versus the newer inline poppit designs (which are lighter but usually much pricier).

Spool = newer technology guns that are smoother, less recoil, and quieter guns. They are less air efficient because they use more air to shoot with in addition to a bolt that smacks the paintball inside the breach of the gun. Because they use more air, a broken ball that may occur while playing can be forced out completely with the next shot much easier than a poppit gun. So no stopping while playing to clean out the barrel if a ball breaks usually with a spool gun.

They are less air efficient, although the really high end versions of these spool guns are pretty darn efficient when compared to poppits if only barely less efficient. Those high end ones you pay for. Spool guns typically have an oring or two that are major workhorse parts that break down far faster than any oring used on a poppit gun.


So knowing the difference in types of guns I'll recommend guns from each type from here on out based on price range. For a starter marker that is decent I suggest one of the following.

Azodin Blitz at $169
This is a great entry level poppit bolt style gun. It's a bit loud but reliable and sturdy. Maintenance is easy as well. It comes with many features found on pricier guns and comes in a variety of colors to choose from.

GoG eXTCy at $250
This is about your best entry level spool valve gun right now. There are a couple cheaper spool valves, notably the GoG eNMy/eNVy, but they lack a few key features such as "eyes" that are little lasers in the breach of the gun that sees if a ball is seated correctly before allowing the gun to fire. That one little item makes a vast difference in your gun. It prevents ball breaks by quite a bit. The only bad bit is That the gun is not made from 100% milled aluminum, but instead from composite materials. This means the gun is light, but not usually as sturdy.


For the next step up in performance you have the following I recommend.

Dangerous Power G5 at $329 or Planet Eclipse Etha at $349
Both of these are great poppit style guns. Both are built very well and a come with a ton of features for good competitive play in paintball. You can't go wrong with either choice.

Up until recently, the next Spool valve gun up from the eXTCy was the Proto reflex rail at $500, but a recent released gun has changed the all that.

Valken Proton at $325
This is a spool valve gun with all the features and quality of any of the higher end spool valve guns. It has no macro line, high efficiency, accurate, completely milled from aluminum, sturdy, easy maintenance, light weight, and smooth shooting. The downsides are that it doesn't look like much, only two color variants right now, louder than higher end spool valve markers, and reliability is an unknown factor since they were recently released. Beyond that, these are fantastic spool valve markers that compare favorably with anything else out there. This gun won't turn any heads in the looks category, but it will perform with the best.

If you REALLY want to spend more money, there are a TON of paintball guns from various companies trying to get your dollars. Anything past more expensive than the $300 guns I listed don't really add much more performance for the money. You are mostly paying for the bling/wow factor of those guns.




One thing to keep in mind though, is that when you buy any of these markers I've recommended past the tippmann, you will ALSO have to factor in costs for a few other essential gear items. These include a tank, hopper, and mask. You can not play without a gun, tank, hopper, mask, and of course paintballs. Beyond that there is plenty of other gear you may find nice to have, but aren't required such as specialized jersey's, knee pads, and other items such as that.

When it comes to tanks, the price is pretty consistant. Tanks come in two major varieties. CO2 and HPA. Tippman's use CO2 and everything else you pretty much want to stick with HPA. After that, it's all about determining the capacity you want in the tank. The standard competitive tank is a 68i/4500psi and that runs around $150 pretty much new. A slightly cheaper approach is to use a lower psi tank at 3000 psi, and smaller volume at 48i. Those run about $50. Just be aware that most good guns will go through a 48i/3000psi tank in a few minutes of continuous firing.

Masks can range in price dramatically. Cheap masks will run about $20 and the good ones up to $150+. Higher priced masks are typically more comfortable, provide various lens inserts that allow you to change your lens based on the weather for better vision regardless of the environment, lighter, and are made with softer materials to allow balls to bounce off easier instead of breaking every time on impact with the mask. Really I recommend going into a local paintball shop and trying on various masks with your kid to see what they like best and what you are willing to pay for in terms of features of the masks.


Hoppers also come in wise price range. Prices go from $3 for a gravity fed hopper I will say you MUST buy as a backup always, up to $250 for some of the high end force fed hoppers. Cheap force fed hoppers will run you about $40 from sport stores. They don't feed all that much faster than gravity based one, usually go through batteries quickly, break paint more often, jam up more often, and usually don't load all that fast. Better hoppers are a must for competitive play.

The basic competitive hopper is going to be either the Empire Halo at $85 or the Pinokio PL230/400 at $90

Either of those hoppers will do just fine with any gun.

I hope that helps make your paintball playing decisions easier. If you have any more questions feel free to ask.
 
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edro

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It's a great hobby for a young boy.
Teaches you a lot about equipment, maintenance, tweaking, strategy, fitness, etc.

I don't know anything about the newest technology though.

My days ended around the time of the Tippman 98.
 

SphinxnihpS

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True. The place I've played at only wants people using their paintballs. They try to steer players toward the speedball courses more than village or wooded courses. A lot more profit because people end up buying at least an extra quarter case.

I always had mixed feelings about speedball courses - hated blowing through an entire hopper of balls so quickly. Though, it did lead to one of the more memorable games I've played. Forgot to refill after a longer game, ran out of balls 10 seconds into an indoor speedball game. Succeeded on getting to the other end of the field on a suicide run (noobs.) And made about 3/4 of the other team surrender by sticking my barrel in their backs and yelling "Surrender!" After the game, one of the refs asked, "why the hell didn't you just shoot them instead of taking a chance and getting so close?" "Uh, I was out of balls." Noob:"is he allowed to do that?" "Yep" "But what if we don't surrender?" "Then if he's bluffing, shoot him. Personally, I'd never take that chance." The very next game, I managed to circle around the other team again. Last player - I almost shot, but thought it'd be funny to make him surrender in front of everyone. "Surrender!" "NO!!" as he rolled on his side and started firing like mad. He *had* a tasmanian devil tattoo, it was about a week old. My first shot drilled it at point blank range, leaving a circular scar over Taz.

haha, you play like me.

I only played once but it was a blast! They had a woods course that was Kill the King/CTF, an elaborate wooden fort course where the object was ringing a large bell in the fort, and a speedball course on what was formerly a set of 3-4 tennis courts. Of all the courses I used the least paint on the speedball course. When the round started everyone just ran for cover, which I predicted due to my massive counterstrike experience, so i just ran straight up the middle got behind the entire enemy team, and tagged out 7 ballers. Nothing is more shaming in paintball than to be tagged out, lol! HUMILIATION! Especially considering that most of these guys were super serial about it, with home-made yowie suits, paintball armor, etc. I wore my white Led Zeppelin tee shirt, cut offs, and rented a gun and mask. I got hit once... by a guy I already took out. I should definitely go back, but it's like an hour away. :(
 
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I've played on and off for 15 years or so. I've owned Spyders and Tipmanns (back when I started out), and I can tell you this, if he ends up really liking it, then he's going to want something better.

Nothing wrong with Spyder and Tipmann per se, but the Spyder won't keep up with most guns on the field, and the Tipmann won't either. Not if he gets into playing with others who have better guns.

Tipmann and Spyder are more woodsball level guns. The people who do the paintball scenario games LOVE Timpmann A5's.

Personally, I think they're a little heavy. Not at first, but get out there and play for a full day, and it'll feel like you're toting around a cinder block. Weight counts. Especially when you're running around.

And forget Tipmann if you're out on a speedball field. Unless all other players on the speedball field are using Tipmanns too. which isn't likely, unless it's a party of renters.

I didn't start playing heavily again (1-2 weekends per year) until my son turned 9-10 (about 6 years ago). When I got back into it, I couldn't justify $1000 to $1500 on a marker. So I did some research and found that for the money ($400 to $500) the Mini Invert was the best gun. The hardcore pro and semi pro guys turned their noses up at the Mini, until we got out there, my son and I, and were able to hang with them.

The gun is light as shit, and to me has a perfect balance (once you get the right sized tank on it).

I haven't played in the last year or so, but still stay in touch with a lot of the guys that play religiously (sponsored teams, etc.). Quite a few of those guys are using the new Empire AXE, and seem to love it. Which is sort of ironic, since they were the guys mocking the Mini Invert at first, and this gun by Empire is a total ripoff of that same design (electronics in foregrip, internals in main grip, no hoses). Albeit Empire seems to have REALLY improved on the design of the Invert.

https://www.google.com/search?q=emp...sugexp=chrome,mod=17&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

The other few bits of advice I have, get him good paintball pants. Get him a good paintball pod pack (decide if he likes speedball or woodsball better, because the packs can differ greatly). Also, if you plan to use one particular paintball park for the majority of his play, call them and ask them what diameter their field paint is (most fields won't let you bring your own paint). This is more important than you think. all barrels are not the same. When you find out the diameter, then ask your local paintball shop which barrels shoot that diameter (or model) paint best. Too small of an inner diameter and he'll get a lot of broken paintballs. Too large an inner diameter and paint starts to curve greatly when you shoot. Right inner diameter barrel, and he'll be more accurate with less breaks.

All in all, just go with what he wants in the end. Let him learn, but most of all, let him have fun. And get out there with him!
 

Jeffg010

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The one reason I heard that you can not bring your own paint is because of insurance. If someone was to get then insurance would not pay up. The place I go uses nightmare paint the pink or yellow.
 

xanis

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Tippmann 98 or A-5 if he's just starting out and casually playing. If he decides he wants to play more and get into speedball, there are a lot more (and expensive) choices.

EDIT: Pretty much what MisterJackson said, but in less words. :p
 

Fritzo

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I know LOTS about paintball :)

I have several questions.

First, what is the age of your kid? Second, how much of a budget do you have to spend?

Those are the two most important questions to ask. The first is because younger kids will be harder on their guns and less likely to maintain them properly. As such, I highly recommend sticking with rentals for awhile.

...

Thanks for the info!

My son is 13, but he's huge (6'3"). I trust him, so that's not an issue. I found this package on Amazon, is this a good deal with all the accessories?

http://www.amazon.com/Azodin-BLITZ-P...+blitz+package

or

http://www.amazon.com/Tippmann-Pain...354750551&sr=1-9&keywords=Tippmann+A5+package

or

http://www.amazon.com/Tippmann-Sele...54750551&sr=1-10&keywords=Tippmann+A5+package
 
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JTsyo

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Another paintball question. My CO2 tank is 8 years old, is there an exp date for them?
 

xanis

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Another paintball question. My CO2 tank is 8 years old, is there an exp date for them?

Depending on type of tank and the manufacturer, they should be hydrotested every 3-5 years IIRC. I think the steel CO2 tanks are around 5.
 

HumblePie

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Thanks for the info!

My son is 13, but he's huge (6'3"). I trust him, so that's not an issue. I found this package on Amazon, is this a good deal with all the accessories?

http://www.amazon.com/Azodin-BLITZ-P...+blitz+package

or

http://www.amazon.com/Tippmann-Paint...ann+A5+package

or

http://www.amazon.com/Tippmann-Selec...ann+A5+package

Well, if you want to get him something that can be used in either woodsball or speedball, get that first package. The gun is a great starter poppit gun.

Here is a link to some reviews of recent paintball guns. Most of it mirrors the information I posted above.

http://www.bestpaintballreviews.com/paintball-guns

The site basically recommends if you are really wanting a SERIOUS entry level gun then go with the Azodin Blitz. Which I recommend as well. It is the best gun for under $200 as stated on that site.

This kit here http://www.ansgear.com/Azodin_Blitz_2011_Paintball_Gun_Kit_3_p/zazodinblitz2011kit3.htm will get him a speed loader with the gun instead. As well as a better tank, pods, and pod pack to carry extra balls with him on the field.
 

Jeffg010

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Last time I played. The hit on my upper thigh was the worst shot I ever took.

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Kreon

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Once upon a time I had a Tipmann 98. Great marker. Was pretty cheap too if I recall.

I've also used DrPizza's charge tactics. Sometimes successful, often not so much.

Good times.
 

BladeVenom

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I started with a Tipmann 98, and with a longer barrel and anti-jam hopper it was a great first paintball gun. The only downside was it's a bit longer than the others. On the plus side, it was the best CO2 gun in cold weather.

Now, the best bargain might be a used electronic gun. Since everyone wants the latest and greatest, some of them are undervalued.
 
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rsutoratosu

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Almost all the field rents tipmann, they are pretty sold and problem free, i would suggest not buying used gun, most people dont know how to take care of the stuff, they get it working just right and dump the problem on to you..

I been playing since 84, and i work at a field on weekends, i have 2 shocker nxt, 6 ions, 2 mini and had a few spiders now gone, and older item like a f1, old angels, etc. I haven't really bought a new gun in a while since I dont really need them.

I had tried a lot of hoppers and i'm a big fan of dye but they are pricy. hopper you can definitely buy use, but they do take some beating
 

lupi

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Thanks. It's a Christmas gift, so I can't really ask him. It's crazy how the prices vary. There's $100 guns, and there's $1500 guns. WTF?

take the advice in the ipad thread, get the $1500 one cause you know he'll want it.
 

HumblePie

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Do yourself a favor and get the kid an Axe. I think WalMart even carries them. Those Spyder, Tippman, etc that you are looking at are cheap and he won't be able to really compete with the guys who have the top tier guns with them.

Yeah, here is an Axe from WalMart:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/20613371?a...em+Description

The axe is just a juiced up invert mini. An inline poppit style gun with a macroless design. It IS a good gun, but the Blitz is damn near just as good if only louder and a macroline design.

I tell people if you want very low end go tippmann. If you want just starting out without breaking the budget get an Azodin Blitz. If you want top of the line, best bang for your buck without breaking the bank get that Valken Proton right now. If you want the absolute best gun there is get a DLX Luxe 2.0 with the pooty upgrades or a Mac Dev Clone GT.

Everything else in between is mainly personal preference based on styling and company loyalty.
 

HumblePie

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This one here might be a better package for components for the blitz. Been looking around. You want a decent speed feeder, the gun, and an HPA tank. You do not want a CO2 tank. The main reason is the gun has to be configured differently, maintained more, and the gun is prone to breaking down faster with CO2. Not to mention that CO2 is harder on the paint which causes them to break. In a tippmann this isn't so big of a deal. In a better marker setup, like the Blitz, it can be a bigger deal as the gun is trying to fire much faster.

http://www.amazon.com/Azodin-Blitz-S...odin+blitz+kit

That kit is still under $300.


If you can swing it, this is the kit to buy for a blitz setup.

http://www.ansgear.com/Azodin_Blitz_2011_Paintball_Gun_Kit_6_p/zazodinblitz2011kit6.htm

The mask, tank, and feeder your kid will keep for a LONG time without wanting or needing to upgrade them. The gun can be swapped out later. The other components will work with even the highest end gun setups on the market.


If ansgear ever gets their level 4 or 5 kit back in stock, those are good kits as well. With the level 4 kit running right at $300 and the level 5 running at $350.

http://www.ansgear.com/Azodin_Blitz_2011_Paintball_Gun_Kit_4_p/zazodinblitz2011kit4.htm

http://www.ansgear.com/Azodin_Blitz_2011_Paintball_Gun_Kit_5_p/zazodinblitz2011kit5.htm

With the level 4 setup, your kid may eventually want to upgrade the hopper and the tank. With the level 5 setup, only the tank will ever need upgrading.
 
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rsutoratosu

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If your kid is big, you may not like the sly goggles... i have 2 of them and end up not using them, they're brand new, they're loaners now, i end up using the proto axis.. things like goggles are better of trying at store and buying online if its cheaper..
 

Pr0d1gy

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The axe is just a juiced up invert mini. An inline poppit style gun with a macroless design. It IS a good gun, but the Blitz is damn near just as good if only louder and a macroline design.

I tell people if you want very low end go tippmann. If you want just starting out without breaking the budget get an Azodin Blitz. If you want top of the line, best bang for your buck without breaking the bank get that Valken Proton right now. If you want the absolute best gun there is get a DLX Luxe 2.0 with the pooty upgrades or a Mac Dev Clone GT.

Everything else in between is mainly personal preference based on styling and company loyalty.

Yeah, I haven't tried a Mini but if it's close to the Axe it is surely worth looking into. The Luxe is very popular right now it seems, but I honestly cannot stand the style of that thing and for that amount of money it should look awesome. Obviously, this is just my humble opinion and in no way reflects what the rest of the world thinks of the Luxe.

***Was looking at the guns and it is actually the Ego that I don't like the style of. My bad.
 
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Mandres

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I haven't followed paintball in a while, wow. I can't believe how cheap electronic markers are these days. Way back when if you wanted to shoot >10 bps you had to spend $1,000+ for an Angel.