Who killed the electric car?

[MikeMike]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5599073542041338932

enjoy.

 

[Slew Foot]

"We do.... we do..."

 

[Zenmervolt]

"Who makes Steve Gutenberg a star?"

ZV

 

[Number1]

This smells like another conspiracy theory movie.
No thanks.


:thumbsdown:

 

[OS]

besides the 150 mile range and 8 hr refill?

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: OS
besides the 150 mile range and 8 hr refill?

For most people that would work 90%+ of the time.

I work less then 10miles form my house and I sleep/don;t drive at least 8 hours a day. When I go shopping I drive much less then 150 miles.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: Number1
This smells like another conspiracy theory movie.
No thanks.


:thumbsdown:

What gave it away? The heck celebrities involved with the project, or the link to truth911.net in the description?

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: OS
besides the 150 mile range and 8 hr refill?

For most people that would work 90%+ of the time.

I work less then 10miles form my house and I sleep/don;t drive at least 8 hours a day. When I go shopping I drive much less then 150 miles.

yeah but the 10% of the time you need to drive more than 75 miles each way you are SOL unless you own two cars, with the other one being gasoline.

 

[daniel1113]

Indeed. Electric cars simply cannot compete with gasoline in terms of mobility, and that's a problem for a lot of people.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Indeed. Electric cars simply cannot compete with gasoline in terms of mobility, and that's a problem for a lot of people.

if given the time to mature, im sure they could have, but the initial investment for GM was EXTREME.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: OS
besides the 150 mile range and 8 hr refill?

For most people that would work 90%+ of the time.

I work less then 10miles form my house and I sleep/don;t drive at least 8 hours a day. When I go shopping I drive much less then 150 miles.

yeah but the 10% of the time you need to drive more than 75 miles each way you are SOL unless you own two cars, with the other one being gasoline.

OK? Whats the problem?

We have 2 cars in my house. When its just me and the Wife in town we take the Corvette. When we go on long trips we take the Saab.

Take out the corvette and insert the EV car and it still works just fine.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: OS
besides the 150 mile range and 8 hr refill?

For most people that would work 90%+ of the time.

I work less then 10miles form my house and I sleep/don;t drive at least 8 hours a day. When I go shopping I drive much less then 150 miles.

yeah but the 10% of the time you need to drive more than 75 miles each way you are SOL unless you own two cars, with the other one being gasoline.

OK? Whats the problem?

We have 2 cars in my house. When its just me and the Wife in town we take the Corvette. When we go on long trips we take the Saab.

Take out the corvette and insert the EV car and it still works just fine.

I'm not baller like you, i can only afford one car.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: OS
besides the 150 mile range and 8 hr refill?

For most people that would work 90%+ of the time.

I work less then 10miles form my house and I sleep/don;t drive at least 8 hours a day. When I go shopping I drive much less then 150 miles.

yeah but the 10% of the time you need to drive more than 75 miles each way you are SOL unless you own two cars, with the other one being gasoline.

OK? Whats the problem?

We have 2 cars in my house. When its just me and the Wife in town we take the Corvette. When we go on long trips we take the Saab.

Take out the corvette and insert the EV car and it still works just fine.

I'm not baller like you, i can only afford one car.

You can get a old car for $1000 or so. Heck you could get a EV and when you need to take a trip just rent a cheap car. Cheaper and you don;t ever have to change oil, spark plugs, etc...

If I could get a EV car I probable would really look into it. batteries have come further and so have electric systems thanks to Honda/Toyotas work on hybrids.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: OS
besides the 150 mile range and 8 hr refill?

For most people that would work 90%+ of the time.

I work less then 10miles form my house and I sleep/don;t drive at least 8 hours a day. When I go shopping I drive much less then 150 miles.

yeah but the 10% of the time you need to drive more than 75 miles each way you are SOL unless you own two cars, with the other one being gasoline.

OK? Whats the problem?

We have 2 cars in my house. When its just me and the Wife in town we take the Corvette. When we go on long trips we take the Saab.

Take out the corvette and insert the EV car and it still works just fine.

I'm not baller like you, i can only afford one car.

You can get a old car for $1000 or so. Heck you could get a EV and when you need to take a trip just rent a cheap car. Cheaper and you don;t ever have to change oil, spark plugs, etc...

If I could get a EV car I probable would really look into it. batteries have come further and so have electric systems thanks to Honda/Toyotas work on hybrids.

lol, i am definitely not taking a $1000 POS car for an almost 100 mile drive each way. Even if i could own two cars, i don't have two parking spots since i live in the city.

i could rent another car, but then i am already paying for the battery car so why should i have to pay for two. At some point my life becomes working around the car when i shouldn't have to.

I don't want to come off as too reactionary/knee jerk, it can be just as bad as conspiracy nuts. More is better choice, it's not like the idea of EV is inherently bad. If they improved the range/charge issues, it'd be really interesting since EV seem to be basically zero maintenance. No oil change, tranny fluid, filters, coolant, spark plugs, etc.

 

[wazzledoozle]

...because the power grid could not handle everyone charging their cars every night. One way or another, a fossil fuel has to be burned to produce the energy that moves your car. It makes more sense at the moment to burn it in your car.

 

[Vette73]

^^


Actually at the end of the movie they talked about upgarding the batteries and the EV1 would get 300mile range. Then take into account the updates they have made from regaining power from braking, put a solar panel on the dash, etc... and 300miles is not really that far out there.

Look how good the EV1 did and that was never a "for sale" car. It was a prototype that got oil companies up in arms and the car companies worried they were goign to lose out on there big repair and parts selling business.

I was a autotech for 10+ years and a lot of my bills were mostly for parts, not labor. And you know how much dealers charge for parts so the mark up is huge.

I would be happy if they can get the price of the hybrids down and allow them to by plug in for charging.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
...because the power grid could not handle everyone charging their cars every night. One way or another, a fossil fuel has to be burned to produce the energy that moves your car. It makes more sense at the moment to burn it in your car.

What?


No it does not. Its much harder to try and make sure millions of cars are running well and not pouring out fumes then it does to watch over several hundred power plants.
Also add more nuclear power and take fossil fuels out.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
...because the power grid could not handle everyone charging their cars every night. One way or another, a fossil fuel has to be burned to produce the energy that moves your car. It makes more sense at the moment to burn it in your car.

the whole country isn't going to convert overnight, and overnight charging is during off peak hours anyways.

Fossil fuels do not necessarily need to be burned to produce electricity (nuclear, hydro, wind, solar, etc.)

One serious problem is the mining of battery metals and manufacture of batteries probably causes environmental damage, so some sort of recycling/life cycle program would have to be implemented if at all possible.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Indeed. Electric cars simply cannot compete with gasoline in terms of mobility, and that's a problem for a lot of people.

in terms of mobility? wtf does that mean?

Electric cars are fast, quiet, & accelerate exceedingly rapidly. How is that for mobility.

Range is around 250 miles at the moment. Battery technology is improving all the time, tho.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
...because the power grid could not handle everyone charging their cars every night. One way or another, a fossil fuel has to be burned to produce the energy that moves your car. It makes more sense at the moment to burn it in your car.

the whole country isn't going to convert overnight, and overnight charging is during off peak hours anyways.

Fossil fuels do not necessarily need to be burned to produce electricity (nuclear, hydro, wind, solar, etc.)

One serious problem is the mining of battery metals and manufacture of batteries probably causes environmental damage, so some sort of recycling/life cycle program would have to be implemented if at all possible.

Actually that is already in place. A large part of the battery for your car you buy today came from another battery that went dead. Thats why when you buy a battery, at leat here in NC, you get charged $8 or so if you don;t bring back in the old one. the old ones are drained of their acid, remove the lead, and cut up the plastic.

So that to me is not a major worry unless the batterys use several different metals that are difficult to recycle or other problem as such.

 

[aidanjm]

the other great thing about electric cars is they require almost no maintenance.

 

[Aftermath]

I fault the American consumer above all. We're still to caught up trying to find the perfect replacement for oil, and we wont. We will not compromise.

Our cars must be full sized or even larger.
They must tow anything we throw at them.
They must be safe.
They must be quick.
They must be reliable.
They must be low maintenance.
They must be easy to refuel.
They must be able to be refueled anywhere we go, night or day.
They must be able to go for hundreds of miles at a time without stopping.

We will not be satisfied until we have met all of those demands, and probably more that I'm not thinking of.

 

[McGyver]

it's a good documentary. but it forgets to mention about the Usual Suspect: Stupid People.

 

[wazzledoozle]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
...because the power grid could not handle everyone charging their cars every night. One way or another, a fossil fuel has to be burned to produce the energy that moves your car. It makes more sense at the moment to burn it in your car.

the whole country isn't going to convert overnight, and overnight charging is during off peak hours anyways.

Fossil fuels do not necessarily need to be burned to produce electricity (nuclear, hydro, wind, solar, etc.)

One serious problem is the mining of battery metals and manufacture of batteries probably causes environmental damage, so some sort of recycling/life cycle program would have to be implemented if at all possible.

We cant deploy nearly enough solar panels and wind mills to charge hundreds of millions of electric cars, but nuclear power could. The problem with that is the general population is brainwashed into radiation/nuclear phobia, therefore no new nuclear power plants have been built in a few decades. So this trend will continue into the foresesable future less some massive marketing blitz to unbrainwash people...

 

[zerocool84]

bump for a good documentary