Who is waiting patiently for a Ron paul run?

[LegendKiller]

Here is an article in Forbes that cites an Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development report that claims that the other nations spend a smaller percentage of their GDP on health care:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/02/health-care-costs-opinions-columnists-reform.html

I found this article (first hit) while doing a Google search for

health care "percentage of GDP"
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Note that we probably have more insurance company CEOs and executives, more insurance brokers, more benefits plan managers, and more medical billing specialists per capita than any of those other nations! It's good to be first in something, I guess.

That's despite our doctors being some of the highest paid in the world.

It always amuses me to see people beg for "freedom" to choose healthcare at any cost. Like overpaying for the SAME FUCKING SERVICE is a great idea. Or they complain about how they don't want to wait to get their surgeries, even though they don't have an immediate need to get them. The system is fucked because Americans can't rationalize and prioritize. We somehow think we have the best of everything and are so fucking elitist we can't imagine somebody else doing better, thus, we ignore the problem.

Then you get ridiculous libertopian arguments like "medicare drives up costs", which is utterly ridiculous. Sure, demand for a product increased, yet supply of it has also increased. Medicare isn't the problem, American mentality is.

 

[drebo]

Bleeding heart liberals must be bleeding from their brains, too, because the common sense is not strong with these ones.

 

[LegendKiller]

I, like all other Libertopians, have no data, rationale, or solid logic for what I believe in. Thus, I either exit all threads when challenged, or post ridiculous one-sentence "come backs". I fail in life also.

Thanks for your contribution, do come again!

Gotta love bleeding heart idiots.

 

[lothar]

In case you don't recognize my name I was once Perry404 on these forums. I don't spend much time in the PR section these days.
I have shed all but my love for the honesty and truth that is Ron Paul.
I know there are many free thinkers awaiting the run by Alan Grayson, Rand Paul and others but know this, the only man that stands a chance against the majority is Ron Paul.
So I must ask...how many of you, after all that we have been through, are ready and willing to vote for Ron Paul?
In my passion to keep things interesting I must disclose something else.
A vision for the future of America, The country that God loved.
Yeah our breadbaskets have been full. Gods love however extends not only to the Jews and not only to the Americans but to the world.
Therefor he will shed his grace upon the world. What does this mean for the number crunching American? In small words It is global economy.
Inflation is good for the Chinese and the Indian. Prices in America will rise until the Chinese worker is paid the same price that the American slaves for. Have you seen that Chinese market? Within seven years you will be plucking feathers from your chickens at safeway in order to save your families money. Your insurance will be 24% of your families income. Do not curse into the air... because of this the Chinese man will be able to feed his family. Instead thank God almighty for your blessings.
Thank God almighty that your children are fed and thank God almighty that you may cuddle with them beneath a roof.

Once all is said and done they will finally understand that the the real question was...


Where will the money come from?

Why did you change your name?

 

[Siddhartha]

Bleeding heart liberals must be bleeding from their brains, too, because the common sense is not strong with these ones.

Please enlighten us with your "common sense".

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Bleeding heart liberals must be bleeding from their brains, too, because the common sense is not strong with these ones.

That is a brilliant response. I am very impressed with how you dealt with the substance of the arguments in favor of socialized medicine. It was very convincing.

 

[NoStateofMind]

How wonderful it is to see that even the passage of time has yet to shake the foundations or the beliefs of those iron clad members arguing these same points of interest circa three years ago. I am no less a sucker for such amusing circus animal behavior as staying away from these wretched insults and snide remarks makes me feel cold and naked. This thread brings back those fond memories, thanks fella's! ;

We have had this discussion before about Paul, many of us support him for a myriad of reasons but that does not change two facts. #1. Ron Paul will never be president no matter how much we want it. #2. It has never been about Paul in the first place, its always been the message he brought. Now to the threads question: No I'm not patiently waiting to lose, again. The most I (we?) can hope for out of another Ron Paul run is more media spotlight to create a wider grassroots movement towards a government that better reflects its people.

 

[LegendKiller]

How wonderful it is to see that even the passage of time has yet to shake the foundations or the beliefs of those iron clad members arguing these same points of interest circa three years ago. I am no less a sucker for such amusing circus animal behavior as staying away from these wretched insults and snide remarks makes me feel cold and naked. This thread brings back those fond memories, thanks fella's! ;

We have had this discussion before about Paul, many of us support him for a myriad of reasons but that does not change two facts. #1. Ron Paul will never be president no matter how much we want it. #2. It has never been about Paul in the first place, its always been the message he brought. Now to the threads question: No I'm not patiently waiting to lose, again. The most I (we?) can hope for out of another Ron Paul run is more media spotlight to create a wider grassroots movement towards a government that better reflects its people.

Yes, how wonderful it is to know that data, reason, and logic, still have a place in the world. How's the pig farming and nail making going? That is, after all, what Ron Paul's ideals would reduce this country to.

 

[bamacre]

Yes, how wonderful it is to know that data, reason, and logic, still have a place in the world. How's the pig farming and nail making going? That is, after all, what Ron Paul's ideals would reduce this country to.

I think you proved his point, and isn't it ironic that the very institution your side has brought us to is exactly what you fear, 20% of Americans willing to take jobs "pig farming" and "nail making" if it would put food on the table? Of course, no one here is surprised that a bank vice president hates Ron Paul.

 

[LegendKiller]

I think you proved his point, and isn't it ironic that the very institution your side has brought us to is exactly what you fear, 20% of Americans willing to take jobs "pig farming" and "nail making" if it would put food on the table? Of course, no one here is surprised that a bank vice president hates Ron Paul.

Yeah, as if rampant speculation and human greed is the fault of the Fed. This is what's fucking funny about people like you, you attribute exogenous variables to fundamentally incorrect sources. You somehow think the world's ills would be cured and we could all sing in a circle holding hands if the Fed were gone and FRB were eliminated. Please, you and your fairy tale bullshit is tiring.

The Fed, as I've proven before (and you ignored because you've got no refuting data and you're too stupid to analyze the problem yourself) had limited control over long-term rates. Risk-spreads were set by the market for liabilities and assets were designed to eliminate the factor of rates. Ironically, both of those were free-market innovations. Thus, your theory of Fed-only causation falls apart.

But I wouldn't be surprised you'd have to bring my job into it (which you're incorrect about), it's too "hard" for you to do anything but post YouTube BS and regurgitate somebody else's cud. It's the only way you can "win" is to shoot the messenger. It's why you scurry from one thread to another, dodging, weaving, ducking, and scooting, to avoid doing anything useful and productive.

Now scamper along and read some more Rothbard while the world moves on.

 

[bamacre]

In a freer market, greed is limited by risk. I love when people scream "greed" as complaint of capitalism. You know better than that.

 

[HeXploiT]

Why did you change your name?

I've been HeXploiT on the web for a decade. For some reason when I registered here I chose Perry404.
Decided it was time to switch to my real name.

 

[Zebo]

If Ron Paul were elected, what would he do to improve the economy and to help the American people?

Would he end the problem of foreign outsourcing that has cost Americans millions of middle class jobs? No. He probably supports it because he is a free market dogmatist.

Would he end the H-1B andL-1 visa programs that displace Americans from often college-education-requiring, knowledge-based jobs? No. He probably supports it because he is a free market dogmatist.

Will he end mass legal immigration and illegal immigration, both of which lead to population explosion and Malthusian problems? No. He probably supports it because he is a free market dogmatist. Who is the government to say who should and who should not be able to legally enter the country?

Will Ron Paul enact real socialized medicine which as been proven to be more economically efficient in other nations? (The U.S. spends about 17% its GDP on health care while leaving tens of millions of Americans uninsured or under-insured with the rest living in sheer terror of losing their health insurance while having hundreds of thousands of medical bankruptcies every year and while having businesses and the economy burdened by insurance costs and concerns.) He probably supports the current system because he is a free market dogmatist.


So what will Ron Paul do for America? Read us Atlas Shrugged fairy tales every evening?

Pretty much nailed it whipper.

Couple additional points. Or Will Ron Paul agree to tax Corp Officers and Hedge fund managers at least as much as a plumber - instead of 15%, to shore up out bleeding treasury? No because he supports no taxes.

Or does he support reserve distribution to the little guy from SBA loans to construction loans? No, he would privatize FED and only those BORN in the loop would get cash like the old days.

His middle east policy is naive as well. He doesnt understand 2% hardened militants can control their populations and world supply of oil creating international havoc.

Plus he's a fuckin whiny wimp. Europeans might like emasculated men but Americans don't - no chance.

 

[werepossum]

In a freer market, greed is limited by risk. I love when people scream "greed" as complaint of capitalism. You know better than that.

Greed - or as I like to call it, enlightened self interest - has driven most of the world's progress. People will always work harder for themselves and their loved ones than for some amorphous "society", and no bureaucrats can be as smart as the entire population making daily decisions on what is best for themselves and their families.

Greed without risk, though, is at least as bad as full-blown socialism (i.e. communism.)

 

[HeXploiT]

Plus he's a fuckin whiny wimp. Europeans might like emasculated men but Americans don't - no chance.

Ignorant people actually believe this. Other congressman vote for popular issues. Ron Paul is courageous enough to vote what he believes is right.
The real cowards are sitting at home crying about how terrorists are coming to take over our shores.

Sorry...I'm not afraid of Al-Qaeda. You on the other hand are crapping your pants at the thought of the boogi-man osama climbing into your bed.
Time to stop reading fairy tales.
Let me not be a coward chicken ***t and if the enemy comes to my door I shall face them but I shan't kill a dozen innocent children in Iraq in order to possibly maybe save my own skin.

I apologize for everything but the coward chicken ***t part. It's the booze talking.

 

[AzN]

Ron paul is the only guy I would vote for. He might be the only one in America with a brain.

 

[werepossum]

All you Ron Paul supporters should be rethinking your whole political belief system right about now.

 

[MotF Bane]

All you Ron Paul supporters should be rethinking your whole political belief system right about now.

Based upon what?

 

[ultimatebob]

Personally, I'm hoping for a Palin/"Joe The Plumber" Republican ticket for 2012. That oughta be fun...

 

[werepossum]

Based upon what?

This.

Ron paul is the only guy I would vote for. He might be the only one in America with a brain.

 

[marincounty]

Personally, I'm hoping for a Palin/"Joe The Plumber" Republican ticket for 2012. That oughta be fun...

I'm not, they have a good chance of being elected. Don't underestimate the stupidity of the American voter, they elected GWB once and Reagan twice.

I'd like Ron Paul to run as an independent, and draw the teabagger votes away from the Republicans.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Personally, I'm hoping for a Palin/"Joe The Plumber" Republican ticket for 2012. That oughta be fun...

I'm hoping for that too, now that you mention it. Maybe they could tell hard-working conservatives that they should shame and berate people who use food stamp cards at the grocery store and follow them out to their car, berating and shaming them.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Ron paul is the only guy I would vote for. He might be the only one in America with a brain.

Obviously you are not including yourself in that.. good call.

 

[xj0hnx]

Pretty much nailed it whipper.

If by nailed it you mean doesn't have a clue what RP's ideas were than yea, pounded it home.

 

[xj0hnx]

I'm not, they have a good chance of being elected. Don't underestimate the stupidity of the American voter, they elected Obama.

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