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Who here trusts psychiatry?

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mammador said:
People who break laws/morals are not mentally ill.

You frankly haven't provided a capable definition of it.
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Some are but, my reference is to the topic we started with. Why do I or anyone else have to provide a set in stone, never to be rebuked, ironclad definition of mental illness when we've already agreed that none is possible? Society will STILL hold you responsible regardless. Do you actually have a question, point or, do you just like playing word games? Is that the disorder we're talking about?
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
Some are but, my reference is to the topic we started with. Why do I or anyone else have to provide a set in stone, never to be rebuked, ironclad definition of mental illness when we've already agreed that none is possible? Society will STILL hold you responsible regardless. Do you actually have a question, point or, do you just like playing word games? Is that the disorder we're talking about?
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lol.. my initial point was that psychiatry is based on a faulty premise of prescribing normalcy. You have supported my initial conclusion.
 
Trust? No, not really.

There are antidepressants that can cause suicidal thoughts. The rate of diagnosis for AD-HD (and I'm sure other disorders) is weighted heavily by region (suggesting just how much interpretation is involved). Whether or not we can come to an agreement on what healthy is there's no reason to think that there's anything close to a relatively complete understanding. Not in the way that I trust a doctor prescribing antibiotics.

I don't mean to turn anyone away from seeking professional help. I just think it's important to recognize that as a science psychiatry is still sort of primitive. It's better than ever before, but there's still a place for skepticism and common sense when the best treatments available can be ineffective or cause serious harm.
 
mammador said:
lol.. my initial point was that psychiatry is based on a faulty premise of prescribing normalcy. You have supported my initial conclusion.
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You're still making the same mistake, you think there cannot be any definition of normalcy because there is no consensus on what it is. My point is that it's not necessary. And, you have made no reference at any time other than in the title what this has to do with "trust." Do not confuse your lack of communication for agreement on your conclusion.
 
OP has a chip on his shoulder the size of the Grand Canyon. I'm guessing he was forced into treatment at some point, probably while a minor child and received a diagnosis he doesn't agree with. Now he resents doctors and the entire profession. He created this thread as an outlet for pent up anger and frustration.

I could be wrong.
 
Vic Vega said:
OP has a chip on his shoulder the size of the Grand Canyon. I'm guessing he was forced into treatment at some point, probably while a minor child and received a diagnosis he doesn't agree with. Now he resents doctors and the entire profession. He created this thread as an outlet for pent up anger and frustration.

I could be wrong.
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Seems to be a bit of attention seeking going on as well. My take is he just likes to create hypothetical discussion points with no real purpose or ownership.
 
Vic Vega said:
OP has a chip on his shoulder the size of the Grand Canyon. I'm guessing he was forced into treatment at some point, probably while a minor child and received a diagnosis he doesn't agree with. Now he resents doctors and the entire profession. He created this thread as an outlet for pent up anger and frustration.

I could be wrong.
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No, by studies of the profession, I find it's a dishonourable one.
 
MagnusTheBrewer said:
You're still making the same mistake, you think there cannot be any definition of normalcy because there is no consensus on what it is. My point is that it's not necessary. And, you have made no reference at any time other than in the title what this has to do with "trust." Do not confuse your lack of communication for agreement on your conclusion.
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Psychiatry is false, and frankly should be banned.
 
Ghiedo27 said:
Trust? No, not really.

There are antidepressants that can cause suicidal thoughts. The rate of diagnosis for AD-HD (and I'm sure other disorders) is weighted heavily by region (suggesting just how much interpretation is involved). Whether or not we can come to an agreement on what healthy is there's no reason to think that there's anything close to a relatively complete understanding. Not in the way that I trust a doctor prescribing antibiotics.

I don't mean to turn anyone away from seeking professional help. I just think it's important to recognize that as a science psychiatry is still sort of primitive. It's better than ever before, but there's still a place for skepticism and common sense when the best treatments available can be ineffective or cause serious harm.
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As psychiatry is corrupt, people with mental conditions should take it. such is life, and life is tough.
 
mammador said:
Psychiatry is false, and frankly should be banned.
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Like I said, Church of Scientology that way --> ...
 
What's the point of trolling H&F with this shit? Sometimes people just need someone they feel like they can trust to talk about their issues. There are good and bad psychiatrists just like everything else.

If anything people expect too much from them. Most people are fucked up beyond repair and want someone to 'fix' them.
 
Wow folks. Can you be any more childish about how you respond to one another? edit: only referring to a couple of folks here. I wrote this about an hour ago without submitting and am just a little too diplomatic to put it the way Pantlegz put it lol.

OP, I share your distrust of psychiatry, but not your reasons or logic.

I personally don't trust psychiatrists in general, because of how subjective the field is and how imperfect treatment can be. However, I recognise that phsyciatry CAN be very beneficial to certain cases, and thus it can be worth trying. I wish my mother, who deals with genuine paranoid schizophrenia, would accept some sort of treatment as one example... I hold no delusions that she could be cured, but god...it would be worth trying to improve on some of the symptoms surely.

I have also been very close to someone in the past dealing with severe depression, and the psychiatrist was absolutely NO help to that person and their particular case. But psychiatry is an incredibly complex field, and while I wouldn't recommend that particular doctor to someone in the future, that doesn't keep me from keeping an open mind about psychiatry.

I would not say the field is corrupt, however...no more than what you find in any profession. It's just an incredibly imperfect science.
 
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Pantlegz said:
What's the point of trolling H&F with this shit? Sometimes people just need someone they feel like they can trust to talk about their issues. There are good and bad psychiatrists just like everything else.

If anything people expect too much from them. Most people are fucked up beyond repair and want someone to 'fix' them.
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More apologetics.

psychiatry is a false discipline, stop being so fucking PC and accept the reality of it.
 
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tedrodai said:
Wow folks. Can you be any more childish about how you respond to one another? edit: only referring to a couple of folks here. I wrote this about an hour ago without submitting and am just a little too diplomatic to put it the way Pantlegz put it lol.

OP, I share your distrust of psychiatry, but not your reasons or logic.

I personally don't trust psychiatrists in general, because of how subjective the field is and how imperfect treatment can be. However, I recognise that phsyciatry CAN be very beneficial to certain cases, and thus it can be worth trying. I wish my mother, who deals with genuine paranoid schizophrenia, would accept some sort of treatment as one example... I hold no delusions that she could be cured, but god...it would be worth trying to improve on some of the symptoms surely.

I have also been very close to someone in the past dealing with severe depression, and the psychiatrist was absolutely NO help to that person and their particular case. But psychiatry is an incredibly complex field, and while I wouldn't recommend that particular doctor to someone in the future, that doesn't keep me from keeping an open mind about psychiatry.

I would not say the field is corrupt, however...no more than what you find in any profession. It's just an incredibly imperfect science.
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It is a corrupt practice. can you cite why it's not?
 
mammador said:
No, by studies of the profession, I find it's a dishonourable one.
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I choose not to believe you. It's obvious your agenda here, you posed a question with your heart already set on an answer and now you're trolling.

I do appreciate your PM you sent me cursing me out though, it was good for a laugh at work today.

Have a nice life, I hope you do get some help. You have my pity.
 
Vic Vega said:
I choose not to believe you. It's obvious your agenda here, you posed a question with your heart already set on an answer and now you're trolling.

I do appreciate your PM you sent me cursing me out though, it was good for a laugh at work today.

Have a nice life, I hope you do get some help. You have my pity.
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Ll.. I sent you that pm since you're acting all haughty and saying what is what. My opinion is exactly that, and you cannot say otherwisr.
 
My only thought on this is that you don't know what you don't know. Even the brightest and most intuitive and introspective people still can learn from another's perspective.

From what I can tell, pschiatrists are trained to offer perspectives and rewire your brain, which happens to be the most adaptable organ in your body.

Edit: Oh, looks like OP is playing a game with this thread. Of course nobody can say your opinion is wrong because it is your opinion and you made it.
 
Quite obvious the OP has an antipsychiatry agenda.

Psychiatry is a completely valid, evidence based, and definite field of medicine. To state otherwise is simply ignorance.
 
TheVrolok said:
Quite obvious the OP has an antipsychiatry agenda.

Psychiatry is a completely valid, evidence based, and definite field of medicine. To state otherwise is simply ignorance.
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^ Truth. I think some Psychiatrists over prescribe medications when none are actually needed, but that doesn't mean the profession is 'corrupt'. Just means the doctor is trying to take the easy way out.

Or, you could reference a Psychologist. Same field of study, but not allowed to prescribe medications.
 
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