Who here thinks the October Surprise is actually how rapid Trumps social decline is?

[trenchfoot]

If Trump wins it should be quite interesting to see the battle between the church and Trump's dictatorship wrt who has control over the other. For now, both the church and Trump are allied against their common enemy, the heathen godless socialists. It's what comes afterward where once Trump occupies the White House again, with his being a notoriously godless and morally bankrupt criminal, he's going to look at the church as a threat to his rule.

I don't know how Putin's relationship with the dominant church in Russia is, although I can see how the Russian church is obediently silent about the savagery and crimes against humanity Putin has unleashed in Ukraine.

It would seem our Christian church would also bow to Trump's revenge campaign and his effort to seize control of our military establishment and our intelligence agencies of which would also pose a significant threat to his monarchy. I mean, just look at how the church has been absolutely silent over Trump's criminality and his imbecilic attempts at "reaching out to those suckers and losers" of whom believes every falsity and fairy tale that comes out of his mouth, many of whom are self-described religious fundamentalists. There's going to be a fight over those pawns.

To me it's inevitable that Trump and the church will turn on each other sooner or later should Trump win in November.

 

[BoomerD]

If Trump wins it should be quite interesting to see the battle between the church and Trump's dictatorship wrt who has control over the other. For now, both the church and Trump are allied against their common enemy, the heathen godless socialists. It's what comes afterward where once Trump occupies the White House again, with his being a notoriously godless and morally bankrupt criminal, he's going to look at the church as a threat to his rule.

I don't know how Putin's relationship with the dominant church in Russia is, although I can see how the Russian church is obediently silent about the savagery and crimes against humanity Putin has unleashed in Ukraine.

It would seem our Christian church would also bow to Trump's revenge campaign and his effort to seize control of our military establishment and our intelligence agencies of which would also pose a significant threat to his monarchy. I mean, just look at how the church has been absolutely silent over Trump's criminality and his imbecilic attempts at "reaching out to those suckers and losers" of whom believes every falsity and fairy tale that comes out of his mouth, many of whom are self-described religious fundamentalists. There's going to be a fight over those pawns.

To me it's inevitable that Trump and the church will turn on each other sooner or later should Trump win in November.

Trump will sell them all “Official Trump Bibles” and they’ll all get along just fine.

 

[WilliamM2]

Trump will sell them all “Official Trump Bibles” and they’ll all get along just fine.

I don't think the church will want him cutting into their profits. But he is the "dealmaker".

 

[BoomerD]

With Trump’s previous mentions of Hannibal Lecter…and now Arnold Palmer’s “manhood” size…how long before he gets them confused and talks about Hannibal’s dick size?

 

[BoomerD]

I don't think the church will want him cutting into their profits. But he is the "dealmaker".

I’m sure the churches will “persuade” their congregations to pay for the Chinese bibles.

 

[brycejones]

I’m sure the churches will “persuade” their congregations to pay for the Chinese bibles.

Donate $1,000 to the church Jesus freedom fund and get a “free” Trump bible. If you don’t God won’t bestow his bounty upon you.

 

[hal2kilo]

So weird to hear Nicole Wallace say the F word multiple times. Oh, she was just quoting something Donald Trump said in an article just out from The Atlantic. Apparently, he saw what the bill would be for funeral expenses related to the burial of a veteran at Arlington Cemetery who just happened to have Mexican heritage. "I can't believe it cost that much to bury a fucking Mexican" and later says I can't believe these fucking people keep trying to rip me off"

Maybe this surprise will at least affect the Mexican heritage voters.

These quotes were per an interview with Ret. Gen. John Kelly, former Trump Chief of Staff, and based on a promise of Trump paying for vets funeral expenses.

 

[nickqt]

So weird to hear Nicole Wallace say the F word multiple times. Oh, she was just quoting something Donald Trump said in an article just out from The Atlantic. Apparently, he saw what the bill would be for funeral expenses related to the burial of a veteran at Arlington Cemetery who just happened to have Mexican heritage. "I can't believe it cost that much to bury a fucking Mexican" and later says I can't believe these fucking people keep trying to rip me off"

Maybe this surprise will at least affect the Mexican heritage voters.

These quotes were per an interview with Ret. Gen. John Kelly, former Trump Chief of Staff.

US Citizens of Mexican heritage who are voting for Trump know that they're one of the good ones though.

Everyday logic averted - cult identity maintained.

 

[gothuevos]

So weird to hear Nicole Wallace say the F word multiple times. Oh, she was just quoting something Donald Trump said in an article just out from The Atlantic. Apparently, he saw what the bill would be for funeral expenses related to the burial of a veteran at Arlington Cemetery who just happened to have Mexican heritage. "I can't believe it cost that much to bury a fucking Mexican" and later says I can't believe these fucking people keep trying to rip me off"

Maybe this surprise will at least affect the Mexican heritage voters.

These quotes were per an interview with Ret. Gen. John Kelly, former Trump Chief of Staff, and based on a promise of Trump paying for vets funeral expenses.

FWIW, the victim's sister is directly disputing this, however.

Neither side is above trying to float something this late in the cycle as an October surprise.

 

[Indus]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1848837633017057765

I doubt this does anything to latinos except make them vote for him even more.

They'll defend him by saying Funerals are crazy expensive!

 

[cytg111]

I guess dems has real incentive to close up the border now?

 

[Moonbeam]

I may have mentioned that what keeps people sick is their inability to see themselves objectively because they feel worthless inwardly. It is the ego that saved is from that conscious awareness, a survival mechanism that saved us then but now keeps us from the awareness we need to heal. This creates one of those paradoxes that always arise when we get to the truth of things, namely that because we are sick we want to heal but won't because of ego. This is especially tough on the narcissist who was so badly put down they really needed to create an alternate reality to survive. Thus the path to health for the ego sick is to die to that ego and achieve a state of humility. But because the ego won't allow that the unconscious need desire to become sane again creates what I sometimes call the left hand of darkness, self destructive tendencies, self sabotage, etc.

The bigger they are the harder they fall really means that the greater the ego the greater the fall one will have to take to heal. You notice how for Trump everything is about winners and losers. Trump has climbed a narcissistic mountain and will self generate a catastrophic fall. Everything in him drives him toward that. If you feel worthless and undeserving but are unaware of it, none the less you will prove it. Unfortunately people would rather kill than know any of this. So the world is full of Zombies.

 

[fskimospy]

FWIW, the victim's sister is directly disputing this, however.

Neither side is above trying to float something this late in the cycle as an October surprise.

She wasn't in the room when it was said so that's irrelevant as she would have no way of knowing.

There is not only Kelly's eyewitness testimony, that testimony is corroborated by contemporaneous notes. The evidence overwhelmingly indicates that's what Trump said and it's not like it's out of character for him either.

 

[K1052]

She wasn't in the room when it was said so that's irrelevant as she would have no way of knowing.

There is not only Kelly's eyewitness testimony, that testimony is corroborated by contemporaneous notes. The evidence overwhelmingly indicates that's what Trump said and it's not like it's out of character for him either.

I love it when Trump does/says something entirely consistent with all the evidence over the decades about what kind of person he is and some people are still like "huh I dunno". The man is a documented pice of shit beyond all conceivable doubt the like of which we rarely see.

 

[Pens1566]

Round and round we go (again)

1. "I haven't seen the story"
2. "He didn't say it"
3. "He said it, but meant it another way"
4. "Yeah, he meant it and here's why that's great"
5. "lol, libtard"
6. NYT: "here's why this is bad for Trump's opponent"

 

[UNCjigga]

About that Atlantic piece—the murdered servicemember’s sister apparently posted on X that the reporter never contacted them directly and relied on a family attorney as a source—she then went on to say Trump *did* help their family cover expenses [perhaps not personally but by helping them get “line of duty” benefits] and that she rejects the Atlantic’s reporting and that she personally voted for Trump.

I don’t think the Atlantic is some sleazy tabloid rag—but the problem with sourcing any story from former members of the Trump Administration is that NONE of them are trustworthy—they are all liars who were in service of the Chief Liar at some point. So whether they are Trump cheerleaders like Alex Pfeiffer, Mark Meadows & Kash Patel, or whether they are disgruntled former cabinet members/aides with an axe to grind against Trump—while one camp might be relatively more honest, I still wouldn’t absolutely trust them as sources.

 

[RalphTheCow]

I think the surprise might be the musk/trump alliance, where musk buys votes illegally in exchange for Trump ceding almost all his presidential power to musk.

 

[K1052]

About that Atlantic piece—the murdered servicemember’s sister apparently posted on X that the reporter never contacted them directly and relied on a family attorney as a source—she then went on to say Trump *did* help their family cover expenses [perhaps not personally but by helping them get “line of duty” benefits] and that she rejects the Atlantic’s reporting and that she personally voted for Trump.

I don’t think the Atlantic is some sleazy tabloid rag—but the problem with sourcing any story from former members of the Trump Administration is that NONE of them are trustworthy—they are all liars who were in service of the Chief Liar at some point. So whether they are Trump cheerleaders like Alex Pfeiffer, Mark Meadows & Kash Patel, or whether they are disgruntled former cabinet members/aides with an axe to grind against Trump—while one camp might be relatively more honest, I still wouldn’t absolutely trust them as sources.

Yeah who's to say that a lifelong racist who interred the mother of his kids in an unkempt grave on his golf course complained about the cost of a burial he promised to pay for in a racist way? Truly one of the unknowable mysteries of the universe.

 

[fskimospy]

About that Atlantic piece—the murdered servicemember’s sister apparently posted on X that the reporter never contacted them directly and relied on a family attorney as a source—she then went on to say Trump *did* help their family cover expenses [perhaps not personally but by helping them get “line of duty” benefits] and that she rejects the Atlantic’s reporting and that she personally voted for Trump.

I don’t think the Atlantic is some sleazy tabloid rag—but the problem with sourcing any story from former members of the Trump Administration is that NONE of them are trustworthy—they are all liars who were in service of the Chief Liar at some point. So whether they are Trump cheerleaders like Alex Pfeiffer, Mark Meadows & Kash Patel, or whether they are disgruntled former cabinet members/aides with an axe to grind against Trump—while one camp might be relatively more honest, I still wouldn’t absolutely trust them as sources.

The sister of the murdered woman was not present when the alleged statement happened. Her thoughts on the matter are irrelevant.

Again, Kelly's account is corroborated by contemporaneous sources. Trump is overwhelmingly likely to have said it.

 

[UNCjigga]

The sister of the murdered woman was not present when the alleged statement happened. Her thoughts on the matter are irrelevant.

Again, Kelly's account is corroborated by contemporaneous sources. Trump is overwhelmingly likely to have said it.

Oh I personally have no doubt it was said—my issue is that any sort of reporting on this gets whittled down to “he said/she said” without a recording or unedited transcript. Even if you had him on video saying it—it wouldn’t sway his voters.

 

[hal2kilo]

She wasn't in the room when it was said so that's irrelevant as she would have no way of knowing.

There is not only Kelly's eyewitness testimony, that testimony is corroborated by contemporaneous notes. The evidence overwhelmingly indicates that's what Trump said and it's not like it's out of character for him either.

Both can surely be true.

 

[fskimospy]

Oh I personally have no doubt it was said—my issue is that any sort of reporting on this gets whittled down to “he said/she said” without a recording or unedited transcript. Even if you had him on video saying it—it wouldn’t sway his voters.

It's not 'he said/she said' though. In any court her testimony on what was said would be thrown out as it is hearsay. Kelly's evidence would be admitted as it is eyewitness testimony AND it is supported by contemporaneous documents.

If people are reporting he said/she said they are committing journalistic malpractice as one account is based in evidence and the other is not.

 

[Muse]

What's so noticeable is how the media is not making much of a fuss over his aberrant behavior. What's even more noticeable is how the crowds at his sermons act like nothing's wrong when all of that wrong is being performed right there on stage directly in front of them. That orange turd is losing it more and more yet for some really odd reason it "ain't no thang". Can you just imagine if Biden or Harris went off on a weird song and dance routine like the one Trump performed? Trump keeps pushing the "weird is normal" boundaries further and further out there into unexplored psychological frontiers and his followers are chanting, singing and rejoicing right along with him. It's fucking insane, and they all have convinced themselves that there's nothing wrong with him that should matter at the polls which in itself is insane. WTF is happening that so millions of them are following the Pathological Pied Pipsqueak down the Yellow Brick Road and rabbit hole so willingly?

... and now imagining what sharing a shower with Arnold Palmer would reveal...

 

[WelshBloke]

I may have mentioned that what keeps people sick is their inability to see themselves objectively because they feel worthless inwardly...

Now you mention it I might recall you saying something like that before!

 

[Moonbeam]

Now you mention it I might recall you saying something like that before!

It also explains why people have two ears, in one out the other. We know who we are by imagining we are looking at others.