Let's see, I don't feel that killing (murder) is ever good. I am always against it, but the realist in me says that so long as there are bullies that wish to impose their views and will upon others, it will be necessary. Sad but true, man kills to get his way. Always has, probably always will.
but then arent those who wish to impose their views upon that bullie by going to war doing the exact same thing?
It's a good thing that there is a range of opinion. I don't think it'd be a good thing if we all thought alike. Obviously, I believe that my opinion of this war is right. Everyone else here thinks that they are right. All we can do is say how we feel and explain why we feel that way. I get discouraged but I don't wish ill will on anyone for having a different opinion...on this war or anything else. Unfortunately, I don't believe that's the case for everyone. link
There seems to be many reasons why people were for this war...
- The Iraqis needed to be freed.
- Iraq was a threat (WMD).
- Resolutions.
- I've even seen people say that they cheered after 9/11 happened so they got what they deserved.
How many reasons are there for being against this war? Personally, I was against it because I didn't buy the threat/WMD thing. It seemed like he (Bush and Co.) was trying too hard to find stuff to justify going to war with. And because of this, I was/is suspicious (right or wrong) of any other reasons given. I can't go back in time and say with 100% certainty what I would've thought had Bush simply said "The Iraqis need our help. We must go to war to oust SH and free them." Maybe Bush wasn't sure either what the response would be. Thus, the WMD/threat thing.
Of course, then you have the whole 'it's what was good for the country' crowd. You can throw out the WMD thing, the threat thing, and the liberation thing. Presence and natural resources is what drove this war. You can't really blame Bush for misleading us because there would've been close to zero support had he come out and said what this war was really for (according to some on here).
Yes, it' gets discouraging after a while. Person A says that the war was justified because of the liberation. Does Person A agree with Person B who says that the war was justified because it was good for the country? Does Person B agree with Person C who says that the war was justified because of Kay's report (proving[?] that Iraq had WMD)? Does Person C agree with Person D that the war was justified because of the cease-fire?
There seems to be many reasons why people were for this war...
- The Iraqis needed to be freed.
- Iraq was a threat (WMD).
- Resolutions.
- I've even seen people say that they cheered after 9/11 happened so they got what they deserved.
How many reasons are there for being against this war? Personally, I was against it because I didn't buy the threat/WMD thing. It seemed like he (Bush and Co.) was trying too hard to find stuff to justify going to war with. And because of this, I was/is suspicious (right or wrong) of any other reasons given. I can't go back in time and say with 100% certainty what I would've thought had Bush simply said "The Iraqis need our help. We must go to war to oust SH and free them." Maybe Bush wasn't sure either what the response would be. Thus, the WMD/threat thing.
Of course, then you have the whole 'it's what was good for the country' crowd. You can throw out the WMD thing, the threat thing, and the liberation thing. Presence and natural resources is what drove this war. You can't really blame Bush for misleading us because there would've been close to zero support had he come out and said what this war was really for (according to some on here).
Yes, it' gets discouraging after a while. Person A says that the war was justified because of the liberation. Does Person A agree with Person B who says that the war was justified because it was good for the country? Does Person B agree with Person C who says that the war was justified because of Kay's report (proving[?] that Iraq had WMD)? Does Person C agree with Person D that the war was justified because of the cease-fire?
Well, I'm 18. I live in The Vasque Country. The Vasque Country is in the north of Spain. We (%60 of Vasque people) want to be a country, or at least a federal state but Spanish government wouldn't let us even make a referendum. Here an independentist terrorist group borned: ETA. They kill people who believe Vasque country must be Spanish. I can't stand people here dying anymore and Spanish politicians making it a way of vote increasing. Danm, killing people leads nowhere. Vasque people are against ETA but it won't stop killing people (about 8 per year). I HATE VIOLENCE IN ANY WAY.
Where is democracy if we can't choose to be Vasque, not Spanish?
Wow, never saw in the News that Spain is on the brink of a Civil War with the northern half wanting to be independent.
Czar, astute observation! But slightly flawed..... A reaction is not the same as an action, whether overt, or covert. The end result is VERY similar however. Your views (if victorious) are imposed on the said aggressor. So in that respect, you are correct.
The problem arises when you allow others to impose their views upon you contrary to your health, happiness, future survival, or livelyhood. This is generally considered bad.
Once spoken diplomacy fails, actions follow. Sanctions, blockades, and other such tactics should be used until they fail. The ultimate in economic tools (War) should only be used as an absolute last ditch effort to convince the opposition that you mean business. Many leaders (no names here) use war as an excuse for retaliation and retribution, which is a poor use of the Ace up your sleeve. Save it until you REALLY need it, then commit, and continue until the other side gives an unconditional surrender. What's the use in stopping, while they have the resolve to continue?
Good texts are: Sun Tzu, " Art of War" , Niccolo Machiavelli, "The Prince".
These are well respected, classic works on war, and politics (to include war) respectively.
The problem arises when you allow others to impose their views upon you contrary to your health, happiness, future survival, or livelyhood. This is generally considered bad.
Once spoken diplomacy fails, actions follow. Sanctions, blockades, and other such tactics should be used until they fail. The ultimate in economic tools (War) should only be used as an absolute last ditch effort to convince the opposition that you mean business. Many leaders (no names here) use war as an excuse for retaliation and retribution, which is a poor use of the Ace up your sleeve. Save it until you REALLY need it, then commit, and continue until the other side gives an unconditional surrender. What's the use in stopping, while they have the resolve to continue?
Good texts are: Sun Tzu, " Art of War" , Niccolo Machiavelli, "The Prince".
These are well respected, classic works on war, and politics (to include war) respectively.
It's not that drastic!!. It's more of a political problem than anything near a war. But it's really frustrating. We always compare our problem with the one in Ireland. Is quite similar but without the religious topic. Ours is easyer to fix. The main problem is that we have a really strong economy, which Spain don't want to leave. The same happens in Catalunya (also in Spain). Both Vasque and Cataluya want to be independent. Spanish goverment is criminilizating as just because we want a votation in which we can decide whether to be Spanish or not. We have a particular language (Vasque) as Catalunya does and a very special culture. We feel we are a country (in fact we were till Romans came, but they were unable to conquer this full of mountains territory. An aproach happened and over years Spain made Vasque country its territory without asking us).
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