Who here is against the war?

[Pers]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: Pers

Originally posted by: Jmman

Originally posted by: McArra
I mean EVERY war, and specially of course the one in Iraq. I can't stand it anymore. Let's show war is not the way.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I get the impression that you are very young and naive. There are lots of people that only understand violence or war. Why don't you try and tell someone like OBL or Saddam that violence is wrong and see where it gets you.......

well the whole world tried convincing bush that violence is wrong...and where did that get us?

The whole world, huh? Perhaps you forgot about the second largest coalition of nations in U.S. history that supported the war in Iraq.

governments, fine. but people no. most people did not support the war. for example, just because britain supported the war doesn't mean the british people do. anyway...i believe some of the countries listed didn't even have a military! wow their support is as promising as the saudi regime's committment to help us "fight terrorism".

 

[Miramonti]

Death is a terrible thing to waste.

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: jjsole
Death is a terrible thing to waste.

huh?

 

[daniel1113]

Unfortunately, in a world of violence, sitting in a circle humming "Kumbaya" isn't going to do a whole lot.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Unfortunately, in a world of violence, sitting in a circle humming "Kumbaya" isn't going to do a whole lot.

Its not a world of violence, its a world with violence.

No thanks to morons like Bush, his cronies, and war apologist morons like you.

 

[P.O.W.]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Unfortunately, in a world of violence, sitting in a circle humming "Kumbaya" isn't going to do a whole lot.

Its not a world of violence, its a world with violence.

No thanks to morons like Bush, his cronies, and war apologist morons like you.

Man, that dubya fellow must be a pretty old guy to be responsible for this worls with violence.

 

[chess9]

War is good.
Killing innocents is good.
Those DUMB GERMANS bought an AMD plant when they could have invested in the war in Iraq!
America is sooooooo smart. We didn't buy the AMD plant, but invested in DEATH, which is always a winner.

VOTE FOR BUSH AND KEEP AMERICA RIGHT WHERE IT BELONGS!!!

-Robert

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: chess9
War is good.
Killing innocents is good.
Those DUMB GERMANS bought an AMD plant when they could have invested in the war in Iraq!
America is sooooooo smart. We didn't buy the AMD plant, but invested in DEATH, which is always a winner.

VOTE FOR BUSH AND KEEP AMERICA RIGHT WHERE IT BELONGS!!!

-Robert

Um... I'd like to say that this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read, but unfortunately, it's not.

 

[chess9]

Dan_at_13:

Coming from you I feel as though I've been nominated for a Pulitzer.

-Robert

 

[Frdm51472]

I will prequalify this by saying I am the furthest thing for a Bush supporter that you can be, I see the war in Iraq as a political chess game that baby Bush was tought by his Father. This is a carbon copy of George Sr.'s re-election plan. That being said, Hussein needed to be ousted....the job got done, the tactics and the post-war actions may not be what we would like to see, and they may not be as effective as they could be, but the job got done. I contend that Iraq is at a fork in the road right now. They have the opportunity to be the epicenter of a modern Islamic middle east, a pillar of the islamic society. I think our continued military involvement there is hurting their chances, I believe we really need to more diplomatic way of handing Iraq back their country.

 

[chess9]

FRDM51472:

I agree, Iraq is all forked up.

-Robert

 

[Pers]

Originally posted by: Frdm51472
I will prequalify this by saying I am the furthest thing for a Bush supporter that you can be, I see the war in Iraq as a political chess game that baby Bush was tought by his Father. This is a carbon copy of George Sr.'s re-election plan. That being said, Hussein needed to be ousted....the job got done, the tactics and the post-war actions may not be what we would like to see, and they may not be as effective as they could be, but the job got done. I contend that Iraq is at a fork in the road right now. They have the opportunity to be the epicenter of a modern Islamic middle east, a pillar of the islamic society. I think our continued military involvement there is hurting their chances, I believe we really need to more diplomatic way of handing Iraq back their country.

why did saddam need to be ousted? was it worth the $87 billion? Was it worth the lives lost? Was it worth the increased hate towards the United States?

 

[Frdm51472]

I contend that it probably was. Unless you are prepared to put a pricetag on inhumanity or despair of a country full of people.

As for increased hate, if you think we will be any more or less hated because of this action I think you are misled. We are hated no matter our action in the middle east.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Pers

Originally posted by: Frdm51472
I will prequalify this by saying I am the furthest thing for a Bush supporter that you can be, I see the war in Iraq as a political chess game that baby Bush was tought by his Father. This is a carbon copy of George Sr.'s re-election plan. That being said, Hussein needed to be ousted....the job got done, the tactics and the post-war actions may not be what we would like to see, and they may not be as effective as they could be, but the job got done. I contend that Iraq is at a fork in the road right now. They have the opportunity to be the epicenter of a modern Islamic middle east, a pillar of the islamic society. I think our continued military involvement there is hurting their chances, I believe we really need to more diplomatic way of handing Iraq back their country.

why did saddam need to be ousted? was it worth the $87 billion? Was it worth the lives lost? Was it worth the increased hate towards the United States?

I think we should learn to hate them as much as they hate us and treat them accordingly.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Unfortunately, in a world of violence, sitting in a circle humming "Kumbaya" isn't going to do a whole lot.

I beg to differ...

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Unfortunately, in a world of violence, sitting in a circle humming "Kumbaya" isn't going to do a whole lot.

I beg to differ...

HAHAHA...

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: McArra
I mean EVERY war, and specially of course the one in Iraq. I can't stand it anymore. Let's show war is not the way.

I'm not against every war.
I was against this one.
Now that we are over there I hope for the best.
Yes, I hope for the best over there, but I still think Bush is pond scum for his clear (IMO) manipulations in getting people to support his war.
Whenever I see someone say "We did it for the Iraqis" I feel discouraged.
Whenever I see someone stick up for Bush saying he was right I feel discouraged.
Whenever I see someone say that they knew Bush was lying but that they consider that to be ok I feel pissed off.

 

[ReiAyanami]

i'm only for entering the wars we can win

 

[Zebo]

I was for this war until I relised it wasn't at all about democracy and giving a better life to Iraqis... but rather a power grab designed to enrich politically connected corps and installing pro-US corporate regime and grifting the average american to the tune of 300 billion when it all done. I never bought the WMD crap.. No matter what they had they are not a threat to USA since fear total annihilation kept saddam in check.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: sandorski
All wars? No. Just unnecessary wars.

Yep. Some wars are necessary. This invasion was not.

Completely disagree, getting rid of Saddam could radical change the middle east for the better.

How?


(While I am glad to see Hussein gone, it was not worth the thousands of lives, hundreds of billions of dollars, increased threat of terrorism directed at the U.S., and the damage done to our international relations. Further, I believe our invasion increased instability in the Middle East and opens the door for Iraq becoming yet another radical Islamic theocracy.)

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.-Thomas Jefferson

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Strk

yes but if Iraq becomes a stable democracy over the next 25 years it will have a huge influence on the middle east.

Why? Turkey has been a democracy for a while and it hasn't done much for the rest. What makes Iraq different other than we invaded it?

turkey is not a middle eastern country.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: McArra
I mean EVERY war, and specially of course the one in Iraq. I can't stand it anymore. Let's show war is not the way.

I'm not against every war.
I was against this one.
Now that we are over there I hope for the best.
Yes, I hope for the best over there, but I still think Bush is pond scum for his clear (IMO) manipulations in getting people to support his war.
Whenever I see someone say "We did it for the Iraqis" I feel discouraged.
Whenever I see someone stick up for Bush saying he was right I feel discouraged.
Whenever I see someone say that they knew Bush was lying but that they consider that to be ok I feel pissed off.

i do not think he was lying, a 40 acre hidden chemical complex that is found scrubbed clean sets off than oh-so-uncommon thing called common sense.

i get discouraged when the average liberal says "well it could have been used for legitimate purposes" and forgets about it because the TV does not tell him to think about it.

missiles were fired exceding the 90 mile limit that saddam supossedly did not have.

i get discouraged when the average liberal says "well maybe the launchers were closer so the limit was not exceded" again not thinking on the fact that many were tracked on radar exceding the limit in flight. especially the one that hit kuwait city.

bush said there were mobile chem labs, and they were found.

i get discouraged when the average liberal says "well there was not any WMD in them" again not thinking..because if they did it might actually occur to them that a secret mobile chem lab is not used for making aspirin.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Strk

yes but if Iraq becomes a stable democracy over the next 25 years it will have a huge influence on the middle east.

Why? Turkey has been a democracy for a while and it hasn't done much for the rest. What makes Iraq different other than we invaded it?

turkey is not a middle eastern country.

Sure, ethnically it's not an arab nation, but it just as much a part of the middle east as the rest of them.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: McArra
I mean EVERY war, and specially of course the one in Iraq. I can't stand it anymore. Let's show war is not the way.

I'm not against every war.
I was against this one.
Now that we are over there I hope for the best.
Yes, I hope for the best over there, but I still think Bush is pond scum for his clear (IMO) manipulations in getting people to support his war.
Whenever I see someone say "We did it for the Iraqis" I feel discouraged.
Whenever I see someone stick up for Bush saying he was right I feel discouraged.
Whenever I see someone say that they knew Bush was lying but that they consider that to be ok I feel pissed off.

i do not think he was lying, a 40 acre hidden chemical complex that is found scrubbed clean sets off than oh-so-uncommon thing called common sense.

i get discouraged when the average liberal says "well it could have been used for legitimate purposes" and forgets about it because the TV does not tell him to think about it.

missiles were fired exceding the 90 mile limit that saddam supossedly did not have.

i get discouraged when the average liberal says "well maybe the launchers were closer so the limit was not exceded" again not thinking on the fact that many were tracked on radar exceding the limit in flight. especially the one that hit kuwait city.

bush said there were mobile chem labs, and they were found.

i get discouraged when the average liberal says "well there was not any WMD in them" again not thinking..because if they did it might actually occur to them that a secret mobile chem lab is not used for making aspirin.

Sigh, what hidden chem complex?

We knew he had missiles that exceeded the allowable limit. The UN was in the process of destroying them when the war broke out.

Those "Mobile chem labs" were mobile Hydrogen plants used to fill weather balloons. The British sold them to Iraq in the late 80's as Mobile Hydrogen plants and they still were Mobile Hydrogen Plants when they were found.

 

[syzygy]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
i do not think he was lying, a 40 acre hidden chemical complex that is found scrubbed clean sets off than oh-so-uncommon thing called common sense.

i get discouraged when the average liberal says "well it could have been used for legitimate purposes" and forgets about it because the TV does not tell him to think about it.

missiles were fired exceding the 90 mile limit that saddam supossedly did not have.

i get discouraged when the average liberal says "well maybe the launchers were closer so the limit was not exceded" again not thinking on the fact that many were tracked on radar exceding the limit in flight. especially the one that hit kuwait city.

bush said there were mobile chem labs, and they were found.

i get discouraged when the average liberal says "well there was not any WMD in them" again not thinking..because if they did it might actually occur to them that a secret mobile chem lab is not used for making aspirin.

liberal's play homer when it suits there agenda and evolve instantaneous acuity when they wiff the possible aroma of blood.

read dr. kay's report to understand what has been found so far. he details what his team has uncovered, including development of
two new biological agents that had previously not been known. this report also contains a basic walk-through of previous search
efforts and explains why they failed.

last week's weekly standard story contains confirmation that saddam was undeniably involved in terrorist planning and has made
more than one established overture to al-qaeda. there is another thread on this subject where i sift through the speculations and
the verifiables. much of the weekly standard story appears to be regurgitated, but there are a series of beautiful admissions that
almost slip into the background.