Who here has legally taken Kratom? DEA trying to schedule 1 it.

[Thebobo]

I just learned about this legal in most states pain reliever. I can't believe I've never heard about it so I am asking has anyone had any legal experience with taking it? I know it's being used in some places to help with opioid addiction. It comes from a plant and and big pharma hates natural remedies since they can't control its use unless it's made illegal.

 

[Mayne]

anything that makes pill popping easier to come off..is a huge plus in my books.

 

[nakedfrog]

I have also never heard of it.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Or

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I am confused.

 

[deadlyapp]

Sounds like not such a great idea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitragyna_speciosa

 

[UglyCasanova]

anything that makes pill popping easier to come off..is a huge plus in my books.

It can be addicting (moreso mentally but also physically) as well though.

 

[KMFJD]

tastes like shit, if you can stand the taste it takes your mind of pain for sure, just the thought of it makes me nauseous

 

[Thebobo]

tastes like shit, if you can stand the taste it takes your mind of pain for sure, just the thought of it makes me nauseous

Did you take it by pill form or make a shake with the powder? And how much? You have any side effects?

 

[KMFJD]

Did you take it by pill form or make a shake with the powder? And how much? You have any side effects?

I had powder, put a heaping tablespoons worth in chocolate milk or yogurt drink...only side effects i remember was the nausea I, also brewed it into a tea.

 

[clamum]

I've used it before to help alleviate the withdrawal symptoms of coming off of Suboxone. I guess it had a very weak opioid effect, very weak, but that was it. Honestly I thought it was pretty useless; taking a shitton of loperamide/Imodium is better for withdrawal symptoms.

EDIT: I used the powder stuff and mixed it with water. My buddy was the one who ordered it, I think it was good quality (I think it was concentrated too?).

 

[KMFJD]

Yeah weak opiod type effect...thankfully that's available over the counter here

 

[BurnItDwn]

After hurt my back like 5 or 6 years ago by lifting a stuck snowmobile over a hill by myself ... I took Kratom for a few days since it was cheap and supposed to be more effective than Ibuprofen and also legal. It didn't really seem to do anything for me. The pain got better on it's own over time.

 

[bbhaag]

I've tried the powder extracts a couple times over the years. The first time was when I was in my mid 20's and the last time was a couple years ago when I was 36. I agree with the others about the taste. It's disgusting but oddly enough it was worse when I was younger. The last time wasn't bad so maybe my taste buds have become less sensitive over the years.

As far as effect goes it does have a mild resemblance to opioids but not enough to justify the cost or taste. Plus there is no defined amount to take to feel its effects except user accounts from online and even that is hard because the product strength varies from vendor to vendor so what works for one doesn't always work for you . Take to little and you feel nothing take to much and you will be laying down on the sofa with cramps and the sweats all night.
Anyway, that is my experience with it. If you are looking for a substitute kratom might do it for you but it didn't for me.

 

[Darwin333]

Did you take it by pill form or make a shake with the powder? And how much? You have any side effects?

I've taken it in the past with pretty good results. Yes it tastes like ass but the pills are a lot more expensive. I preferred the old "toss and wash" method with orange juice or sunny D. Basically you weigh or measure out your dosage, put it in your mouth and follow it with a healthy amount of OJ. Swish it all around real good and swallow, doesn't leave much of an aftertaste and has been the quickest and easiest ROI I've found.

 

[interchange]

Could Kratom be used to detox from opioids safely? Sure. But I wouldn't choose it over a medically supervised taper of a prescription opioid. It seems to also possess active alkaloids that produce a stimulant effect in addition to mu opioid agonism, but it's not a well studied substance at all. If you buy it, you won't have assurance of purity and certainty of dosing, and even absent fraud which is not uncommon in the supplement industry, plants may have different distributions of active compounds depending on the soil, season, etc. Really, the fact that it's natural doesn't mean much here. True opiates (e.g. morphine, codeine) are available as prescriptions and fully natural. And strength is not really a meaningful adjective to opioids. Unless it's a partial agonist (buprenorphine, tramadol), strength really is just a function of dose.

For use recreationally or for pain, well I'd point out that evidence really only supports clear indication for opioids in a very short term setting (like 3 days). They're not good drugs, and Kratom's only advantage is legality.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

It works differently for different people. Capsules are the way to go. I take about 6 grams. It works well for pain relief. It's a lousy high. It's an opioid as opposed to an opiate. It uses the same receptors as opiates which is why it's used to get people off opiates. There are three different kinds, green white and red. You have to experiment to see which works the best for you. It's pretty inexpensive. I think it's great.

 

[Burpo]

$20 bux a gallon in florida..

Edit: found it for $15..

 

[Thebobo]

So I purchased some pills and some powder. My first attempt at "toss and wash" wasn't pleasant, I ended inhaling half of it, talk about hacking lol, it was harsh. I need to work on not breathing while drinking. I took some of the pill versions which has a higher help with pain value and it definitely helps with my knee pain.

 

[Darwin333]

So I purchased some pills and some powder. My first attempt at "toss and wash" wasn't pleasant, I ended inhaling half of it, talk about hacking lol, it was harsh. I need to work on not breathing while drinking. I took some of the pill versions which has a higher help with pain value and it definitely helps with my knee pain.

Yeah, you definitely want to take a breath before you "toss" and if you have to breathe you do it slowly through your nose. I preferred that method because it's rather difficult to mix with liquid, tea is just as nasty and takes time to prepare and the powder is much cheaper.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Fyi, it's not detected in standard drug tests.

 

[Miles Vappa]

To weigh in with a random lurkers two cents, i used to use it as a pre-practice supplement for college football. I had basic (not extract) powder, and i would put two or three grams in a bottle of hot water and drink that right before practice. It tasted like a really shitty green tea, but i would basically chug it and it was no big deal (no nausea or anything)

There were multiple reasons for this:

1. It was not detected by the drug tests (at the time, i have no idea if this has changed)
2. As many have mentioned, a low dose like this was arguably imperceptible in terms of the effects you receive. It was not like i was suddenly high as f*ck on an opiate. However, in a low dose, opiates act like stimulants, and when you are running around in football practice that low dose effect is magnified and basically gave me a constant high energy stream, that left me feeling happy and energized.

When I took it like this, the sled or shoots became a fun activity that i enjoyed, instead of something to be feared.

In my case, it was highly effective. It made going to football practice enjoyable and greatly improved my playing ability, if not actually making me better player, but by greatly increasing my mood and dulling my feelings of fatigue. Mentally, i felt way better, which translated onto the field.

Suffice to say, after a season of this, i realized that the reason why i was playing football was because i was high, and so I quit football and the use of kratom.

I have not noticed any long term effects.

 

[Thebobo]

To weigh in with a random lurkers two cents, i used to use it as a pre-practice supplement for college football. I had basic (not extract) powder, and i would put two or three grams in a bottle of hot water and drink that right before practice. It tasted like a really shitty green tea, but i would basically chug it and it was no big deal (no nausea or anything)

There were multiple reasons for this:

1. It was not detected by the drug tests (at the time, i have no idea if this has changed)
2. As many have mentioned, a low dose like this was arguably imperceptible in terms of the effects you receive. It was not like i was suddenly high as f*ck on an opiate. However, in a low dose, opiates act like stimulants, and when you are running around in football practice that low dose effect is magnified and basically gave me a constant high energy stream, that left me feeling happy and energized.

When I took it like this, the sled or shoots became a fun activity that i enjoyed, instead of something to be feared.

In my case, it was highly effective. It made going to football practice enjoyable and greatly improved my playing ability, if not actually making me better player, but by greatly increasing my mood and dulling my feelings of fatigue. Mentally, i felt way better, which translated onto the field.

Suffice to say, after a season of this, i realized that the reason why i was playing football was because i was high, and so I quit football and the use of kratom.

I have not noticed any long term effects.

Not sure why I missed your post but a nice write up of your experience with Kratom. I have not tried it during any daily activities mostly just of the occasional evening, It seems a large dose is pointless as I dont notice anymore effect on pain. I'm a large guy so I do 6 grams but I have tried 12 just didn't seem to affect me anymore.

I've narrowed down my way to take it. I use a scoop that estimates grams and mix it in about 1/2 cup of hot water and some lemon juice and some white grapefruit juice, Let it cool and chug it down

After trying various places I have narrowed down my choice of place to getting Ktarom to https://thekratomconnection.com/. Low prices compared to some for volume and shipping is very fast.

 

[Thebobo]

If you want to keep Kratom, Kava, Akuamma, and even Green Tea, etc legal time to act. Was trying to post the tex version and the forum called it spam lol?

 

[Darwin333]

Did you take it by pill form or make a shake with the powder? And how much? You have any side effects?

I tried all of that stuff and at the end of the day I found the easiest/best method was just doing toss and wash with Sunny D but OJ works just as well. You measure out your dose of powder, I personally always used a digital scale but I know a lot of people who just used measuring spoons, dump it in your mouth, take a big swig of Sunny D, swish it around and swallow. Take another swig of Sunny D to get anything left over. Done. It doesn't mix well with liquids and every other preparation I've tried is just plain nasty. Toss and wash is quick, effective and doesn't taste like ass since the Sunny D masks the taste. Just make sure you breathe through your nose when the powder is in your mouth but you will only make that mistake once

You are going to have to find your dose, if you take too much you will get a little nauseous but other than that I didn't really have any side effects. It did help with my back pain fairly well. I've recommended it to friends who have used it to get off of opioids and it worked like gangbusters for them, virtually zero withdrawal symptoms and I've never heard of anyone I know having issues quitting the kratom but that is anecdotal.

Edit: The reason I took the powder instead of pills, which would have been a lot easier, is because the powder is MUCH cheaper.

 

[Thebobo]

Well tell your friends about helping to prevent this. If it's made illegal be hell to change it back and I won't go blackmarket.

Yea my way is different now as well. I use a pyrex measuring cup just because I easier to see, about a cup of hot water and mix in the Kratom with a couple squirts of lime and and some lemon juice, (helps to dissolve the alkaloids I'm told). Than after its cooled or not I top it off with White Grapefruit Juice and chug it down like a cold beer.

Also I don't use a scale anymore just got one of these for a couple of bucks. One side is ~6 grams the smaller ~2. It's so much easier.