Originally posted by: TravisT
Well, i guess i chose the wrong one. I pay my taxes and a portion of the money that has been donated by our government was a small portion of my money.
I would like to donate, feel sorry the people over there. But to be honest, the rest of the world when we needed help hasn't been there for us. I don't feel obligated to donate a penny. If it was England that got hit like this, it might be a different story.
I am sorry this happened to the people over there. Where was their gratitude and assistance for the last year or two? It was no where to be found. Guess where my donations will be found? In my pocket.
Originally posted by: TravisT
I'm certainly a Christian. But a Christian doesn't mean you have to be ran over by the world. I have offered support to our troops, have you? Also, where in the bible does it say I have to give money to tsunami victims to be a Christian?
I am sorry if I am coming across harsh, I really do feel sorry for these 3rd world countries that have been mowed down by the tsunami and had no chance or ability to offer assistance to us when we needed it. But I want absolutely nothing to do with these countries that could have helped us the last 2 years but chose not to and are now crying for help.
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: TravisT
I'm certainly a Christian. But a Christian doesn't mean you have to be ran over by the world. I have offered support to our troops, have you? Also, where in the bible does it say I have to give money to tsunami victims to be a Christian?
I am sorry if I am coming across harsh, I really do feel sorry for these 3rd world countries that have been mowed down by the tsunami and had no chance or ability to offer assistance to us when we needed it. But I want absolutely nothing to do with these countries that could have helped us the last 2 years but chose not to and are now crying for help.
oh how touching. I'm sure you make your savior proud
Originally posted by: TravisT
We chose to go at it alone because no one else was willing to help and we felt it was an important issue to take care of. We're certainly losing men there now. They certainly haven't offered to help give more backup to our troops have they?
Thus, sorry world, you EXPECT us to help when you need it, but when we need it you certainly arn't there to help us or even have anything good to say about us.
Originally posted by: TravisT
We chose to go at it alone because no one else was willing to help and we felt it was an important issue to take care of. We're certainly losing men there now. They certainly haven't offered to help give more backup to our troops have they?
Thus, sorry world, you EXPECT us to help when you need it, but when we need it you certainly arn't there to help us or even have anything good to say about us.
Originally posted by: isasir
Originally posted by: TravisT
We chose to go at it alone because no one else was willing to help and we felt it was an important issue to take care of. We're certainly losing men there now. They certainly haven't offered to help give more backup to our troops have they?
Thus, sorry world, you EXPECT us to help when you need it, but when we need it you certainly arn't there to help us or even have anything good to say about us.
Have you signed up for the military yet or offered to help our troops? I'm just curious what you have personally done to assist our own country and it's war in Iraq, since your justification for not donating is that other countries aren't doing anything to help us.
oh how touching. I'm sure you make your savior proud
Originally posted by: TravisT
I'm certainly a Christian. But a Christian doesn't mean you have to be ran over by the world. I have offered support to our troops, have you? Also, where in the bible does it say I have to give money to tsunami victims to be a Christian?
I am sorry if I am coming across harsh, I really do feel sorry for these 3rd world countries that have been mowed down by the tsunami and had no chance or ability to offer assistance to us when we needed it. But I want absolutely nothing to do with these countries that could have helped us the last 2 years but chose not to and are now crying for help.
Originally posted by: TravisT
We chose to go at it alone because no one else was willing to help and we felt it was an important issue to take care of. We're certainly losing men there now. They certainly haven't offered to help give more backup to our troops have they?
Thus, sorry world, you EXPECT us to help when you need it, but when we need it you certainly arn't there to help us or even have anything good to say about us.
Originally posted by: NapalmDef
oh how touching. I'm sure you make your savior proud
Don't act like religion has anything to do with this situation. Thats just silly that you are judging his "faith" based on his opinion to help out.
If you want to play that way though, check this out for sillyness.
His savior took out all the people of Saddam and Gomorrah with a fire rain, since 98% of the people effected by the earthquake are of Muslim faith, maybe it was God that took them out.
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: TravisT
I'm certainly a Christian. But a Christian doesn't mean you have to be ran over by the world. I have offered support to our troops, have you? Also, where in the bible does it say I have to give money to tsunami victims to be a Christian?
I am sorry if I am coming across harsh, I really do feel sorry for these 3rd world countries that have been mowed down by the tsunami and had no chance or ability to offer assistance to us when we needed it. But I want absolutely nothing to do with these countries that could have helped us the last 2 years but chose not to and are now crying for help.
I remember a story from the Bible (well I remember some of it). Jesus and some of his disciples ran across a farmer one Sunday who was trying to harvest his crops before the weather turned harsh. He needed help, as the bad weather ahead was going to ruin his crops and leave his family hungry and poor.
Jesus said that He and His disciples would help, when His disciples then told Jesus, "we cannot help this man, for it is Sunday and it is a sin to work on Sunday." Jesus told his disciples that God would never punish them for helping this man, in fact, he said, God would reward them greatly for helping this man, even though it meant working on a Sunday.
This story may/may not relate to this situation, but these people are in need of GREAT help here. Over 120,000 have died, and MILLIONS remain homeless and without food and water. This is a chance for REAL Christians to lead by example. These people need help, a lot of it, and they need it quick.
This is rather off topic, but the war in Iraq has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the situation at hand in Asia. Even if the war in Iraq was worth fighting (which IMO is not), their refusal and/or inability to help does NOT make them our enemy. These people are our fellow man. Do not judge them by their governments' actions, would you like to be judged for OUR gov'ts actions?
These people are our fellow man, our brothers and sisters under God, our Father, they need our help, and desparately. If we refuse to help because they do not have soldiers in Iraq, then we are not leading by example. Even Jesus said that we should love our enemies, and if you cannot love these people (or help them), who are NOT our enemy, then you may only refer to yourself as a Christian, because you are not acting like one.
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: NapalmDef
oh how touching. I'm sure you make your savior proud
Don't act like religion has anything to do with this situation. Thats just silly that you are judging his "faith" based on his opinion to help out.
If you want to play that way though, check this out for sillyness.
His savior took out all the people of Saddam and Gomorrah with a fire rain, since 98% of the people effected by the earthquake are of Muslim faith, maybe it was God that took them out.
Buzz off kid. He's the one who brought it up, not me. Saddam and Gororrah? No wonder you people don't understand the Bible, you can't even read it
Charitable donations are not about obligation - they're about doing what's right. In this case, the old axiom is true: two wrongs don't make a right. Even if the world pissed in our Cheerios, how are we any better if we turn around and shun those in dire need? This disaster has claimed more than 50x as many lives as 9/11, with the count sure to continue to rise for the foreseeable future.Originally posted by: TravisT
Well, i guess i chose the wrong one. I pay my taxes and a portion of the money that has been donated by our government was a small portion of my money.
I would like to donate, feel sorry the people over there. But to be honest, the rest of the world when we needed help hasn't been there for us. I don't feel obligated to donate a penny. If it was England that got hit like this, it might be a different story.
I am sorry this happened to the people over there. Where was their gratitude and assistance for the last year or two? It was no where to be found. Guess where my donations will be found? In my pocket.
Originally posted by: rickn
and you claim to be a christian? you aren't anymore christian than the cockroach I squashed last week. Good front though
Originally posted by: rickn
oh how touching. I'm sure you make your savior proud
Originally posted by: NJDevil
Cyclowizard ... Americares is a great charity. If you go to cnn.com, they have a list of charities
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