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who has right of way??? diagram included

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: jjyiz28
would it matter if it wasn't a freeway exit, and was just a left turn only for car A??

i always thought car A could choose between lane1 and lane2, and therefore that would mean that car B would have to wait to make his right turn.
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No. Car B, if it has a green light, has right of way, period.

ZV
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Exactly. Car A has to wait regardless of which lane Car B chooses.
 
Originally posted by: jjyiz28
so car A should wait, even though it shows a green left arrow for the traffic signal. car A's lane is a left turn only lane, and he has a LEFT TURN GREEN light NOT just a regular green light where he has to wait for oncomming traffic. a left turn green light.



the people behind me are thinking, what in the hell is this guy doing?? ohhh, i see, there is a car makeing a right turn, so we all just wait, till no more cars need to make a right?? huh??
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What? Earlier you said they both have a green light in front of them. How can Car A have a left turn signal and Car B have a green light? They would hit each other.

both car A and B, want to move into lane 2. both cars has a green light infront of them. who has right of way??
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If you have a GREEN LIGHT then A does not have right of way. If you have a LEFT GREEN ARROW, then yes car A has clear right of way, and B has to wait.
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I'd think B would still have the right of way unless car A was turning from a four lane road and had two green arrows. A going into lane 2 would be like it making the turn and then changing lanes because the rules say you have to turn into the innermost lane.
 
Originally posted by: aswedc
If you have a GREEN LIGHT then A does not have right of way. If you have a LEFT GREEN ARROW, then yes car A has clear right of way, and B has to wait.
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I'd think B would still have the right of way unless car A was turning from a four lane road and had two green arrows. A going into lane 2 would be like it making the turn and then changing lanes because the rules say you have to turn into the innermost lane.
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They do, but if you have a left green arrow you can, at the very least, move into lane 1, since a green arrow says you have all rights. I've never in my life personally seen a situation like this where A would have a left green, and B would have a right green, meaning that both are going into their respectable lanes, though if that did happen, A would still have rights for lane 1, and later move into 2 when it's available.

 
Since there are TWO LANES, then each car has the right-of-way into the lane that is CLOSEST TO THEM. Turning into any lane other than the closest to you is illegal. You cannot cross a lane of traffic when turning.
 
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Since there are TWO LANES, then each car has the right-of-way into the lane that is CLOSEST TO THEM. Turning into any lane other than the closest to you is illegal. You cannot cross a lane of traffic when turning.
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You can if your name is Skoorb. I know, because I do 😀
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Car B regardless unless there are turn arrows for both. The person making a right turn or going straight on green always has the right of way unless there are specific signs to the contrary such as a yield lane.

ZV
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I think ZV may be right on this one. The left turn person "A", needs to yield to whatever lane "B" plans on turning into.
Essentially treat is as if B had the choice to go forward in his lane.
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
No, car A should still wait for car B even though car B is supposed to take the closest lane just in case something goes wrong. I remember a couple winters ago making a right turn with a green light and hitting black ice in the intersection which caused me to drift into the farther lane. There was a person making a left turn who had waited on me. If he hadn't, there would have been an accident.

ZV
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Yes, Mr. Volt has it correct.

 
Originally posted by: Crappopotamus
car b. my rule of thumb is that if their driverside is facing you, you let them go. i mean... if there was an accident, you would hit their driverside. thats the way it works, isnt it?


Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Tetsuo
I always thought you would turn into the closest lane possible if you were Car A. In this situation I would say both would turn at the same time. Each car into the lane closest to them. Then merge when safe into the lane in which they want.
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No, car A should still wait for car B even though car B is supposed to take the closest lane just in case something goes wrong. I remember a couple winters ago making a right turn with a green light and hitting black ice in the intersection which caused me to drift into the farther lane. There was a person making a left turn who had waited on me. If he hadn't, there would have been an accident.

ZV
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yep. gotta stagger, just in case.
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K 🙂 Thanks for not crapping on me for being wrong.
 
Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
Since there are TWO LANES, then each car has the right-of-way into the lane that is CLOSEST TO THEM. Turning into any lane other than the closest to you is illegal. You cannot cross a lane of traffic when turning.
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That is incorrect; at least in IL. If I am turning right on to a 6 lane road, I get the option of turning into any of the 3 lanes. The guy turning left must wait for me. The only time this is not true is if the right turn lane is a merge lane with a yield sign. In that instance, fault would be split 50-50 because I did not yield to the sign, and the guy turning left did not yield to me.

However, if there are 2 right turn lanes, if I am on the inside, I must take the innermost lane. If there are 3 lanes, the lane to the outside is allowed to turn into the middle or outside lane.

Yay Illinois! Land of drivers who don't give a fvck about the rules anyway. If you want to hone your reflexes while driving, come drive in chicago or the suburbs. Either your reflexes will become Earnhardt quick, or you will be dropped by your insurance company.
 
yeah B. If A wants in to the right lane, they have to be the one to watch for any car Bs in the first place, not the other way around.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: jjyiz28 so car A should wait, even though it shows a green left arrow for the traffic signal. car A's lane is a left turn only lane, and he has a LEFT TURN GREEN light NOT just a regular green light where he has to wait for oncomming traffic. a left turn green light. the people behind me are thinking, what in the hell is this guy doing?? ohhh, i see, there is a car makeing a right turn, so we all just wait, till no more cars need to make a right?? huh??
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If you have a GREEN LIGHT then A does not have right of way. If you have a LEFT GREEN ARROW, then yes car A has clear right of way, and B has to wait.
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As per your first post, B has right of way and must use Lane 2 . If as you say now A has a LEFT GREEN ARROW, then B should not have a green and so A has right of way.

 
Originally posted by: godspeedx
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Car B should turn into lane 2 and car A into lane 1.
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Car B is actually required by law to turn into lane 2.
Car A required to by law to turn into lane 1.
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That may be true but Car A must wait for Car B to turn into lane 2 before going.
 
Originally posted by: dafatha00
Originally posted by: godspeedx
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Car B should turn into lane 2 and car A into lane 1.
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Car B is actually required by law to turn into lane 2.
Car A required to by law to turn into lane 1.
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That may be true but Car A must wait for Car B to turn into lane 2 before going.
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Yes, that is correct. I was just making that statement.
 
Originally posted by: jjyiz28
so car A should wait, even though it shows a green left arrow for the traffic signal. car A's lane is a left turn only lane, and he has a LEFT TURN GREEN light NOT just a regular green light where he has to wait for oncomming traffic. a left turn green light.



the people behind me are thinking, what in the hell is this guy doing?? ohhh, i see, there is a car makeing a right turn, so we all just wait, till no more cars need to make a right?? huh??
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That's not possible. You would NEVER have a situation where car A would have a protected green light (green arrow on the traffic light) while car B has a green light as well. The whole point of a protected turn light is to protect those cars from getting killed in the middle of the intersection. (simply put, if Car A has the protected green light, the traffic lights on car B's side would all be red).

 
You know the funny way out of fault in this case right?

Say you ran the red light....implying he also ran the red lt, hence fault is split 50-50. 🙂 Good times.
 
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: aswedc
If you have a GREEN LIGHT then A does not have right of way. If you have a LEFT GREEN ARROW, then yes car A has clear right of way, and B has to wait.
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I'd think B would still have the right of way unless car A was turning from a four lane road and had two green arrows. A going into lane 2 would be like it making the turn and then changing lanes because the rules say you have to turn into the innermost lane.
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They do, but if you have a left green arrow you can, at the very least, move into lane 1, since a green arrow says you have all rights. I've never in my life personally seen a situation like this where A would have a left green, and B would have a right green, meaning that both are going into their respectable lanes, though if that did happen, A would still have rights for lane 1, and later move into 2 when it's available.
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Lots of those here, but, 6 lane roads usually. w/ 2 Left turn lanes w/ arrows and across the street a right turn lane w/ right turn arrow. If everyone stays in their respective lanes they can all go at the same time. Haven't paid attention if I've seen it on 2lanes like the diagram, but, it could be done w/ arrows and both parties staying in their lanes.
 
Originally posted by: freebee
You know the funny way out of fault in this case right?

Say you ran the red light....implying he also ran the red lt, hence fault is split 50-50. 🙂 Good times.
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Yeah but it is legal most of the time to run a red light when you are turning right. Unless of courses their is the no turn on right sign.
 
no matter which lane, on a left turn witout a turn signal, always yield to the guy in the opposite direction turning right.
 
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