Who got most screwed out of the Heisman?

[flxnimprtmscl]

No mention of B.J. Symons of Texsas Tech? 5336 passing yards (new NCAA record) and 48 td's in the same conference as White. The fact that he didn't get an invite just shows how screwed up this whole thing is.

 

[Nitemare]

Rivers was the only one that did not look human in a single game... Maryland game does not count. He threw for over 50% pass completions and over half of those incolpetions were right on the money but dropped. For the most part of the year TA McClendon was out of action, so 100% of the offense fell on his shoulders, the defense knew this and came after him. He had no pocket that he could stay in and throw but he usually made them pay. Hell, their defense would have been the worst in their own conference had it not been for UNC. Hell Duke's defense owned State's defense. Their defense gave up 30 friggin points a game. Amato had better hire a defensive coordinator next year. The fact that he did not get a trip makes the Heisman award a joke. The fact that he did not even make ESPN's snub list considering he was on their list most of the season makes them a complete joke.

Check out Jason White's Oklahoma State and K State games (This was with an outstanding O-line and a running game)

Check out the fact that Larry Fitzgerald only played in 4 games in which he had over 100 yards receiving (This with an outstanding Quarterback)

Chris Perry was pretty much awesome except for the Oregon game. Iowa and Purdue were ho hum games.

Eli Manning has great potential and played for almost as sorry of a team as State was, however Arkansas and LSU cost him.

Matt Leinart played against patsies all season long and still gave up 9 interceptions and 14 sacks. They had no defense either, but then again look who they played..it was not necessary.

Darren Sproles was non existent vs Troy State and was very human Colorado and Kansas.

BJ Symons could not even pick apart NC State's defense, nuf said

Only 2 legitimate candidates for the Heisman were Phillip Rivers and Chris Perry

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
No mention of B.J. Symons of Texsas Tech? 5336 passing yards (new NCAA record) and 48 td's in the same conference as White. The fact that he didn't get an invite just shows how screwed up this whole thing is.

He's a product of the Tech system....good QB, but if he played in a normal offense his numbers wouldn't look like that. Plus he only had 8 more TD's than White and a sh1tload more INT's.

 

[Lamont Burns]

You are missing a very important viewpoint in this thread.

Over the last 5 years or even more, the winner amounts to JACK SQUAT in the NFL. Which is the important part of all this. The Heisman itself is meaningless. It is obviously NOT an MVP, b/c white was not integral to their winning on that team.

So, don't get pissed, just laugh when White is barely drafted, and won't take a single regular season snap during his short-lived NFL career.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
No mention of B.J. Symons of Texsas Tech? 5336 passing yards (new NCAA record) and 48 td's in the same conference as White. The fact that he didn't get an invite just shows how screwed up this whole thing is.

He's a product of the Tech system....good QB, but if he played in a normal offense his numbers wouldn't look like that. Plus he only had 8 more TD's than White and a sh1tload more INT's.

I agree about the TTU system. Mike Leach, the Red Raiders coach and formerly the OC at Kentucky under Hal Mumme (read: "Dumme"), has always had an awesome passing offense.

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Darren Sproles was non existent vs Troy State and was very human Colorado and Kansas.

Only 2 legitimate candidates for the Heisman were Phillip Rivers and Chris Perry

C'mon! Maybe because Sproles sat on the bench much of those games after they got out of hand? If he'd had stayed in the whole game, the points would have been rediculous...

Darren Sproles
Running Back | #43 | Junior | Roster

Age: 20
Height: 5-7
Weight: 170 lbs.
Hometown: Waterloo, IA

Totals Rushing Receiving
SEASON RECORD ATT YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
2003 11-3 293 1948 6.6 15 22 282 12.8 2
2002 237 1465 6.2 17 9 99 11.0 0
2001 28 217 7.8 1 0 0 0.0 0

2003 Game Log Rushing Receiving
DATE & OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG
8/23 California Win 42-28 22 175 8.0
8/30 Troy State Win 41-5 12 49 4.1
9/6 McNeese State Win 55-14 14 101 7.2
9/13 Massachusetts Win 38-7 28 152 5.4
9/20 Marshall Loss 27-20 4 77 5.5
10/4 @Texas Loss 24-20 24 128 5.3
10/11 @Ok. State Loss 38-34 18 74 4.1
10/18 Colorado Win 49-20 14 90 6.4
10/25 Kansas Win 42-6 19 98 5.2
11/1 Baylor Win 38-10 19 155 8.2
11/8 @Iowa State Win 45-0 19 201 10.6
11/15 @Nebraska Win 38-9 25 140 5.6
11/22 Missouri Win 24-14 43 273 6.3
12/6 @Oklahoma Win 35-7 22 235 10.7


Compared to Chirs Perry (whose 50 pounds heavier and 5 inches taller!)
Sproles has almost 400 more yards, 1.6 yds more average, and thats all against a BCS SOS thats even better than Michigans!


Not to mention....

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: LAMONTBURNS
You are missing a very important viewpoint in this thread.

Over the last 5 years or even more, the winner amounts to JACK SQUAT in the NFL. Which is the important part of all this. The Heisman itself is meaningless. It is obviously NOT an MVP, b/c white was not integral to their winning on that team.

So, don't get pissed, just laugh when White is barely drafted, and won't take a single regular season snap during his short-lived NFL career.

You're a dumbass. To say that White wasn't integral to OU's production on offense is really stupid. Like I said earlier, look at what OU did on offense the two years before White when they had better WR's and better RB than they do now. Go ahead...look..... What's the difference? White.

As for White being drafted. From what I'm reading they are saying he will go in the 3rd round. Would have been a mid to late 1st rounder if not for his knees.

 

[mpitts]

I'm a Michigan fan, and it was nice to see Perry there, but Darren Sproles had a much better season that Perry did. And Perry had a good season.

 

[TC2181]

This is interesting...

 

[cmdavid]

Originally posted by: PunDogg
Fitzgerald should have won it!!! No one was better than he was, best college football player period

Dogg

how he does in the nfl, relative to the other 3 players will prove that.. Jason White will never touch a football again (after the Sugar Bowl)... Perry won't ever start in the NFL.. and Eli, well hard to say, but i doubt it, he's supposed to go high in the draft eitherway... Fitzgerald will start his rookie year in the nfl, and will be a top 10 pick in the nfl, probably a top 5... he's obviously the best player of the ones nominated for the Heisman..

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: shinerburke


Hmmm...people keep saying that but let's think about it for a minute. Look at OU the previous two years then look at them this year. OU lost it's top 3 WR's last year and it's #1 RB. Look at what the offense on those teams looked like with Nate Hybl at QB. Nate had more talent in the WR corps to work with than White does now. Let's look at the offensive production during the Hybl years and then look at them with White starting. BIG difference. Yes, OU has talent, but they had more talent on the offensive side last year than they do now. What's the difference in the production? The QB. White is what made the OU offense strong, not the other way around. Of course I shouldn't expect a damn Longhorn to understand that.

oh, and mark clayton being a biletnikoff candidate doesnt mean anything? i dont care about 01 OU vs 03 OU..we're comparing this year wolfpacks against this year's sooners.

lastly, why does all of your football comments have to end with personal attacks? inferiority complex? its pathetic..get a life

 

[cmdavid]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: LAMONTBURNS
You are missing a very important viewpoint in this thread.

Over the last 5 years or even more, the winner amounts to JACK SQUAT in the NFL. Which is the important part of all this. The Heisman itself is meaningless. It is obviously NOT an MVP, b/c white was not integral to their winning on that team.

So, don't get pissed, just laugh when White is barely drafted, and won't take a single regular season snap during his short-lived NFL career.

You're a dumbass. To say that White wasn't integral to OU's production on offense is really stupid. Like I said earlier, look at what OU did on offense the two years before White when they had better WR's and better RB than they do now. Go ahead...look..... What's the difference? White.

As for White being drafted. From what I'm reading they are saying he will go in the 3rd round. Would have been a mid to late 1st rounder if not for his knees.

from what i understand he's not going to the nfl at all...

 

[LS20]

he wont be able to get into the nfl. he barely makes it into people's top 10 QB prospects

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Darren Sproles was non existent vs Troy State and was very human Colorado and Kansas.

Only 2 legitimate candidates for the Heisman were Phillip Rivers and Chris Perry

C'mon! Maybe because Sproles sat on the bench much of those games after they got out of hand? If he'd had stayed in the whole game, the points would have been rediculous...

Darren Sproles
Running Back | #43 | Junior | Roster

Age: 20
Height: 5-7
Weight: 170 lbs.
Hometown: Waterloo, IA

Totals Rushing Receiving
SEASON RECORD ATT YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
2003 11-3 293 1948 6.6 15 22 282 12.8 2
2002 237 1465 6.2 17 9 99 11.0 0
2001 28 217 7.8 1 0 0 0.0 0

2003 Game Log Rushing Receiving
DATE & OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG
8/23 California Win 42-28 22 175 8.0
8/30 Troy State Win 41-5 12 49 4.1
9/6 McNeese State Win 55-14 14 101 7.2
9/13 Massachusetts Win 38-7 28 152 5.4
9/20 Marshall Loss 27-20 4 77 5.5
10/4 @Texas Loss 24-20 24 128 5.3
10/11 @Ok. State Loss 38-34 18 74 4.1
10/18 Colorado Win 49-20 14 90 6.4
10/25 Kansas Win 42-6 19 98 5.2
11/1 Baylor Win 38-10 19 155 8.2
11/8 @Iowa State Win 45-0 19 201 10.6
11/15 @Nebraska Win 38-9 25 140 5.6
11/22 Missouri Win 24-14 43 273 6.3
12/6 @Oklahoma Win 35-7 22 235 10.7


Compared to Chirs Perry (whose 50 pounds heavier and 5 inches taller!)
Sproles has almost 400 more yards, 1.6 yds more average, and thats all against a BCS SOS thats even better than Michigans!


Not to mention....

What can I say Sproles finished the regular season on fire. I for one think that both Pac 10 and Big 12 have been monstrously over-rated this season. The blowout by the "undefeatable Boomer Sooners" case in point. Outside of the conference K State beat a very average California at home, 3 teams I did not even know had football teams, and lost to the only quality team outside of their conference who incidentally was having a crappy year.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: shinerburke


Hmmm...people keep saying that but let's think about it for a minute. Look at OU the previous two years then look at them this year. OU lost it's top 3 WR's last year and it's #1 RB. Look at what the offense on those teams looked like with Nate Hybl at QB. Nate had more talent in the WR corps to work with than White does now. Let's look at the offensive production during the Hybl years and then look at them with White starting. BIG difference. Yes, OU has talent, but they had more talent on the offensive side last year than they do now. What's the difference in the production? The QB. White is what made the OU offense strong, not the other way around. Of course I shouldn't expect a damn Longhorn to understand that.

oh, and mark clayton being a biletnikoff candidate doesnt mean anything? i dont care about 01 OU vs 03 OU..we're comparing this year wolfpacks against this year's sooners.

lastly, why does all of your football comments have to end with personal attacks? inferiority complex? its pathetic..get a life

This isn't Clayton's first year there you know. Look at his numbers, hell all the OU wr numbers when Hybl was the QB. Wonder why they are better now and offensive production is up so much. Couldn't have anything to do with the QB could it?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Darren Sproles was non existent vs Troy State and was very human Colorado and Kansas.

Only 2 legitimate candidates for the Heisman were Phillip Rivers and Chris Perry

C'mon! Maybe because Sproles sat on the bench much of those games after they got out of hand? If he'd had stayed in the whole game, the points would have been rediculous...

Darren Sproles
Running Back | #43 | Junior | Roster

Age: 20
Height: 5-7
Weight: 170 lbs.
Hometown: Waterloo, IA

Totals Rushing Receiving
SEASON RECORD ATT YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
2003 11-3 293 1948 6.6 15 22 282 12.8 2
2002 237 1465 6.2 17 9 99 11.0 0
2001 28 217 7.8 1 0 0 0.0 0

2003 Game Log Rushing Receiving
DATE & OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG
8/23 California Win 42-28 22 175 8.0
8/30 Troy State Win 41-5 12 49 4.1
9/6 McNeese State Win 55-14 14 101 7.2
9/13 Massachusetts Win 38-7 28 152 5.4
9/20 Marshall Loss 27-20 4 77 5.5
10/4 @Texas Loss 24-20 24 128 5.3
10/11 @Ok. State Loss 38-34 18 74 4.1
10/18 Colorado Win 49-20 14 90 6.4
10/25 Kansas Win 42-6 19 98 5.2
11/1 Baylor Win 38-10 19 155 8.2
11/8 @Iowa State Win 45-0 19 201 10.6
11/15 @Nebraska Win 38-9 25 140 5.6
11/22 Missouri Win 24-14 43 273 6.3
12/6 @Oklahoma Win 35-7 22 235 10.7


Compared to Chirs Perry (whose 50 pounds heavier and 5 inches taller!)
Sproles has almost 400 more yards, 1.6 yds more average, and thats all against a BCS SOS thats even better than Michigans!


Not to mention....

What can I say Sproles finished the regular season on fire. I for one think that both Pac 10 and Big 12 have been monstrously over-rated this season. The blowout by the "undefeatable Boomer Sooners" case in point. Outside of the conference K State beat a very average California at home, 3 teams I did not even know had football teams, and lost to the only quality team outside of their conference who incidentally was having a crappy year.

RE: Troy State, they had a Top 5 D last year, and I believe it was very good again this year, especially against the run.

 

[KLin]

Kind of reminds me of 2001 when David Carr didn't even get an invite to the heisman presentation. Eric Crouch gets the heisman, but it all comes down to who got the big fat contract in the NFL. Carr got the 60 million dollar contract, Crouch got jack. How much does a heisman trophy go for on E-bay these days? 😀

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Darren Sproles was non existent vs Troy State and was very human Colorado and Kansas.

Only 2 legitimate candidates for the Heisman were Phillip Rivers and Chris Perry

C'mon! Maybe because Sproles sat on the bench much of those games after they got out of hand? If he'd had stayed in the whole game, the points would have been rediculous...

Darren Sproles
Running Back | #43 | Junior | Roster

Age: 20
Height: 5-7
Weight: 170 lbs.
Hometown: Waterloo, IA

Totals Rushing Receiving
SEASON RECORD ATT YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
2003 11-3 293 1948 6.6 15 22 282 12.8 2
2002 237 1465 6.2 17 9 99 11.0 0
2001 28 217 7.8 1 0 0 0.0 0

2003 Game Log Rushing Receiving
DATE & OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG
8/23 California Win 42-28 22 175 8.0
8/30 Troy State Win 41-5 12 49 4.1
9/6 McNeese State Win 55-14 14 101 7.2
9/13 Massachusetts Win 38-7 28 152 5.4
9/20 Marshall Loss 27-20 4 77 5.5
10/4 @Texas Loss 24-20 24 128 5.3
10/11 @Ok. State Loss 38-34 18 74 4.1
10/18 Colorado Win 49-20 14 90 6.4
10/25 Kansas Win 42-6 19 98 5.2
11/1 Baylor Win 38-10 19 155 8.2
11/8 @Iowa State Win 45-0 19 201 10.6
11/15 @Nebraska Win 38-9 25 140 5.6
11/22 Missouri Win 24-14 43 273 6.3
12/6 @Oklahoma Win 35-7 22 235 10.7


Compared to Chirs Perry (whose 50 pounds heavier and 5 inches taller!)
Sproles has almost 400 more yards, 1.6 yds more average, and thats all against a BCS SOS thats even better than Michigans!


Not to mention....

What can I say Sproles finished the regular season on fire. I for one think that both Pac 10 and Big 12 have been monstrously over-rated this season. The blowout by the "undefeatable Boomer Sooners" case in point. Outside of the conference K State beat a very average California at home, 3 teams I did not even know had football teams, and lost to the only quality team outside of their conference who incidentally was having a crappy year.

RE: Troy State, they had a Top 5 D last year, and I believe it was very good again this year, especially against the run.

Good lord, Troy State barely beat and even had to score 2 4th quarter TD's to win against Louisiana Monroe (1-11) in the last game and finished the season 6-6

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: TC2181
This is interesting...

Nice link!

 

[MikeyIs4Dcats]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Darren Sproles was non existent vs Troy State and was very human Colorado and Kansas.

Only 2 legitimate candidates for the Heisman were Phillip Rivers and Chris Perry

C'mon! Maybe because Sproles sat on the bench much of those games after they got out of hand? If he'd had stayed in the whole game, the points would have been rediculous...

Darren Sproles
Running Back | #43 | Junior | Roster

Age: 20
Height: 5-7
Weight: 170 lbs.
Hometown: Waterloo, IA

Totals Rushing Receiving
SEASON RECORD ATT YDS AVG TD REC YDS AVG TD
2003 11-3 293 1948 6.6 15 22 282 12.8 2
2002 237 1465 6.2 17 9 99 11.0 0
2001 28 217 7.8 1 0 0 0.0 0

2003 Game Log Rushing Receiving
DATE & OPP RESULT ATT YDS AVG
8/23 California Win 42-28 22 175 8.0
8/30 Troy State Win 41-5 12 49 4.1
9/6 McNeese State Win 55-14 14 101 7.2
9/13 Massachusetts Win 38-7 28 152 5.4
9/20 Marshall Loss 27-20 4 77 5.5
10/4 @Texas Loss 24-20 24 128 5.3
10/11 @Ok. State Loss 38-34 18 74 4.1
10/18 Colorado Win 49-20 14 90 6.4
10/25 Kansas Win 42-6 19 98 5.2
11/1 Baylor Win 38-10 19 155 8.2
11/8 @Iowa State Win 45-0 19 201 10.6
11/15 @Nebraska Win 38-9 25 140 5.6
11/22 Missouri Win 24-14 43 273 6.3
12/6 @Oklahoma Win 35-7 22 235 10.7


Compared to Chirs Perry (whose 50 pounds heavier and 5 inches taller!)
Sproles has almost 400 more yards, 1.6 yds more average, and thats all against a BCS SOS thats even better than Michigans!


Not to mention....

What can I say Sproles finished the regular season on fire. I for one think that both Pac 10 and Big 12 have been monstrously over-rated this season. The blowout by the "undefeatable Boomer Sooners" case in point. Outside of the conference K State beat a very average California at home, 3 teams I did not even know had football teams, and lost to the only quality team outside of their conference who incidentally was having a crappy year.

RE: Troy State, they had a Top 5 D last year, and I believe it was very good again this year, especially against the run.

Good lord, Troy State barely beat and even had to score 2 4th quarter TD's to win against Louisiana Monroe (1-11) in the last game and finished the season 6-6

Troy States Defense was pretty good against the run, averaged 125 yds allowed per game (26th in Nation, ahead of many "name" teams)