Who else uses 3d vision?

[BababooeyHTJ]

Well, I just picked up a pair of 3d vision glasses and have been playing around with it for a few days now. Yes it has its quirks but when it works the effect is nothing short of amazing. I haven't seen anything that has impressed me this much in a long, long time. I really wish that I could show off a few 3d vision screen shots.

One of the games that really wowed me was GTA4 with a few mods and high res textures. It is just amazing seeing even small things like the debris popping out of the ground or paper flying at you or cars coming at you. Its hard to even describe. I've tried a couple of fps games and that takes a bit of getting used to but that is so damn cool too. There is nothing like looking down the sights of a gun in cod in 3d. I wouldn't go using that in mp but in single player its a ton of fun. Borderlands works shockingly well too. So does Half Life 2.

Not everything works well but so far I'm surprised by how many games do and when they work well its nothing short of amazing. I really need to try some more games.

Have any of you guys given 3d vision a shot? I'm talking for more than an hour or two, it takes some adjusting to. What games did you really enjoy?

 

[KeithTalent]

Some of these guys do:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2123068&highlight=vision

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2089269&highlight=3dvision

KT

 

[Zenoth]

I've tried, though it wasn't for long, at my local store, it was in demonstration last year, we could play some games for a fee, for 30 minutes if I recall correctly. I was impressed, I have to be honest here, the effect was spot on, smooth, and it does help with the immersion, although I have to say that it has to depend on the games being played, I mean I wouldn't really mind not having World of Good in 3D... so yeah, but overall yes it is impressive.

With that said, I also have to say that within the first ten minutes I felt a little dizzy, I guess it was a matter of adaptation, but I also felt the same way within the first twenty minutes or so of Avatar when I watched it in 3D at the theaters, but contrarily to Avatar I did NOT adapt well over a short period of time with the 3D gaming. But that kind of stuff has to depend on every single one of us out there, no one will feel the same way, and many might never feel anything per se and just keep playing any 3D games thrown at them for ages if they could, such is life, my eyes are sensible I guess, or something.

But anyway, despite the potential dizziness effects for some gamers out there I would say that 3D gaming isn't bad at all, it can be impressive and some games do benefit from it I believe especially if the atmosphere and immersion plays a big role. But, to be honest, even if I wouldn't feel dizzy playing a game in 3D for some reason I wouldn't exactly see myself sitting on my chair in front of my monitor with big 3D glasses on my face for five or six hours playing a game like BFBC2 or Dragon Age 2, and by that I mean long play sessions in one sitting, so for me 3D would be enjoyed in short and perhaps occasional bursts, knowing myself enough I think I'd stay with "2D gaming", but I understand those who do like it a lot.

 

[KaOTiK]

I've had it for a year now and like it quite a bit. I've played a ton of games with it, overall it has been very good.

Some games I thought look great in 3D that I can remember are:

Batman AA
Dungeon Siege 3
Bad Company 2
Dawn of War 2
Oblivion
Avatar (which came with my glasses)
King's Bounty
Shogun 2 Total War
Just Cause 2
Mafia 2
Metro 2033
Burnout Paradise
Dawn of Discovery
The Witcher 1/2
Trine

Plenty of others I just can't remember.

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

I've had it for a year now and like it quite a bit. I've played a ton of games with it, overall it has been very good.

Some games I thought look great in 3D that I can remember are:

Batman AA
Dungeon Siege 3
Bad Company 2
Dawn of War 2
Oblivion
Avatar (which came with my glasses)
King's Bounty
Shogun 2 Total War
Just Cause 2
Mafia 2
Metro 2033
Burnout Paradise
Dawn of Discovery
The Witcher 1/2
Trine

Plenty of others I just can't remember.

Thanks for the list. I'll have to give a couple of those a shot. One other game that I thought that I should mention is Drakensang. That looks really good in 3d.

Did you ever get Oblivion Stutter Remover working? I played a little New Vegas and 3d vision appears to have broken New Vegas Stutter remover. That gamebyro stutter really drives me insane. I find it really annoying.

With that said, I also have to say that within the first ten minutes I felt a little dizzy, I guess it was a matter of adaptation, but I also felt the same way within the first twenty minutes or so of Avatar when I watched it in 3D at the theaters, but contrarily to Avatar I did NOT adapt well over a short period of time with the 3D gaming. But that kind of stuff has to depend on every single one of us out there, no one will feel the same way, and many might never feel anything per se and just keep playing any 3D games thrown at them for ages if they could, such is life, my eyes are sensible I guess, or something.

I felt the same way at first. I really couldn't play an fps very well at all at first and that was with a low depth too. Just now I was playing Borderlands and when I went to turn the depth down a hair I noticed that I had been playing with it about 3/4 the way up which I could never do before. I've seen a few other people mention the same thing. I guess that you adjust to it over time. I still can't imagine playing a competitive game in 3d.

 

[QuantumPion]

I've been desperately waiting for the next Nvidia card to come out so I can use 3d myself. I got my 3d monitor but am stuck with an ATI 5870 at the moment and can't justify the cost of upgrading to a 580.

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

I've been desperately waiting for the next Nvidia card to come out so I can use 3d myself. I got my 3d monitor but am stuck with an ATI 5870 at the moment and can't justify the cost of upgrading to a 580.

With the whole bitcoin craze you should be able to get back what you paid for the 5870 and cover most of the cost of a GTX570 or the whole cost if you go used.

 

[apoppin]

I've had it for a year now and like it quite a bit. I've played a ton of games with it, overall it has been very good.

Some games I thought look great in 3D that I can remember are:

Batman AA
Dungeon Siege 3
Bad Company 2
Dawn of War 2
Oblivion
Avatar (which came with my glasses)
King's Bounty
Shogun 2 Total War
Just Cause 2
Mafia 2
Metro 2033
Burnout Paradise
Dawn of Discovery
The Witcher 1/2
Trine

Plenty of others I just can't remember.

Nvidia sent me a 3D Vision Kit with 3x23" ASUS displays (as in sig) to evaluate for my tech site. i have had it nearly 4 months and i have evaluated about 80 games including playing 6 brand new ones from start to finish with 3D Vision.

Overall i'm impressed. S3D is the future of PC gaming. i am actually writing the evaluation now.

 

[n7]

Not I

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

Nvidia sent me a 3D Vision Kit with 3x23" ASUS displays (as in sig) to evaluate for my tech site. i have had it nearly 4 months and i have evaluated about 80 games including playing 6 brand new ones from start to finish with 3D Vision.

Overall i'm impressed. S3D is the future of PC gaming. i am actually writing the evaluation now.

Yeah, I saw the quick mention in the Alice review. I can't wait to read your article.

 

[apoppin]

Yeah, I saw the quick mention in the Alice review. I can't wait to read your article.

Thanks. These are the hardest kind of evaluations to write. If you have any "pre-questions" or requests, LMK.

i played Metro 2033, Bulletstorm, Duke Nukem Forever, Alice: Madness Returns, Crysis 2 (DX11) and Dungeon Siege III from start to finish with 3D Vision (mostly at 1920x1080). Crysis 2 tops my own S3D list followed by DNF (believe it or not).

Just Cause 2 has some of the most spectacular widescreen S3D views of any game - 5760x1080 over Panau is awesome. Oblivion is also great in widescreen S3D (except for the sky rendering) and Gothic 3 is amazing in 1080P (mostly).

Nvidia says they have tested over 500 games with 3D Vision. However, NONE of the Open GL games are supported at all. And some of the older games that they didn't test - like Dreamfall: The Longest Journey - is great and S3D adds to the immersion. In fact, one game that i put down as boring and confused - Clive Barker's Jericho - looks interesting again with 3D Vision and i began playing it again.

What is great about S3D is that you can revisit your old library. And a 120Hz display is an advantage for shooter fans.

 

[Gorthan]

Quick question apoppin, is 3 screens worth it for 3D? I've had a single monitor setup for well over a year now and it's fantastic when it works well. Just wondering if many games work well with 3 monitors or the experience is THAT much better. Something I'd be interested in doing down the line if it's worth it.

 

[gorcorps]

With the whole bitcoin craze you should be able to get back what you paid for the 5870 and cover most of the cost of a GTX570 or the whole cost if you go used.

I looked into the bitcoin thing and started setting it up, but the return was so slow that you paid more in energy consumption to keep your GPU pegged than you brought in. Unless I'm missing something the whole bitcoin mining thing doesn't seem worth it. I use a GTX570 btw. I may PM you for more info though as I just have the basics and I may be missing something.

Anyway, back to the OP. 3D vision has been something I've wanted to try ever since I built my new machine. I even got a 120Hz monitor thinking I'd pick up a vision kit. But I haven't found a decent enough price for something I may not end up liking. I don't have any problems with 3D movies, but that's active vs. passive 3D so who knows. I haven't been able to track down a kit for under $130, but if I can get one closer to $100 I'll probably jump.

 

[apoppin]

Quick question apoppin, is 3 screens worth it for 3D? I've had a single monitor setup for well over a year now and it's fantastic when it works well. Just wondering if many games work well with 3 monitors or the experience is THAT much better. Something I'd be interested in doing down the line if it's worth it.

If you have a lot of disposable income to play with - yes. If not, i am perfectly satisfied to play in S3D on a single screen. In fact, i prefer a single screen except for racing games and some RPG/RTS-type games. Just Cause 2 and Oblivion are also impressive in Super-widescreen, but Bulletstorm (for example) is confusing in S3D and very confusing in Super-widescreen S3D. But then Duke Nukem Forever works great at 5760x1080.

The issue is that you pretty much need GTX 560 Ti SLI - as a minimum - just to power it; that or a GTX 590. Expensive and not bang-for-buck and there are some compromises necessary on settings unless you are running GTX 580 Tri-SLI (even GTX 580 SLI can be minimal).

If you are considering it; you need two more identical 120Hz displays (same native resolution, orientation and size - and they cannot be in portrait for 3D Vision). Most of the time, i use a single screen for 3D Vision.

I even got a 120Hz monitor thinking I'd pick up a vision kit. But I haven't found a decent enough price for something I may not end up liking. I don't have any problems with 3D movies, but that's active vs. passive 3D so who knows. I haven't been able to track down a kit for under $130, but if I can get one closer to $100 I'll probably jump.

The wired 3D Vision glasses are $99. Ideal for competitive gamers at LAN parties .. the connection is not so annoying.

 

[disappoint]

Why are there no 120hz panels >23"? These 23" panels are too small. Also they need to fix the LCD ghosting issue.

 

[apoppin]

There are 27" 120Hz displays available now. They are 3D Vision ready and some of them also are capable of S3D over 1.4 HDMI

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824009300
- it's a little pricey .. and ASUS has one also


23" is fine for me for S3D actually. When i want more real estate, i use 3D Vision Surround (5760x1080 - that is almost 6 feet of display) or switch to my 30" 2560x1600 LCD.

There is no LCD ghosting on a 120Hz panel - not like there is on a 60Hz panel

And if you are talking about the occasional S3D "double image", you need to adjust the convergence as well as depth.

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

I looked into the bitcoin thing and started setting it up, but the return was so slow that you paid more in energy consumption to keep your GPU pegged than you brought in. Unless I'm missing something the whole bitcoin mining thing doesn't seem worth it. I use a GTX570 btw. I may PM you for more info though as I just have the basics and I may be missing something.

Anyway, back to the OP. 3D vision has been something I've wanted to try ever since I built my new machine. I even got a 120Hz monitor thinking I'd pick up a vision kit. But I haven't found a decent enough price for something I may not end up liking. I don't have any problems with 3D movies, but that's active vs. passive 3D so who knows. I haven't been able to track down a kit for under $130, but if I can get one closer to $100 I'll probably jump.

I use these wired 3d vision glasses that I got from Provantage, they work really well and the price is much easier to swallow at $80.

Thanks. These are the hardest kind of evaluations to write. If you have any "pre-questions" or requests, LMK.

i played Metro 2033, Bulletstorm, Duke Nukem Forever, Alice: Madness Returns, Crysis 2 (DX11) and Dungeon Siege III from start to finish with 3D Vision (mostly at 1920x1080). Crysis 2 tops my own S3D list followed by DNF (believe it or not).

Just Cause 2 has some of the most spectacular widescreen S3D views of any game - 5760x1080 over Panau is awesome. Oblivion is also great in widescreen S3D (except for the sky rendering) and Gothic 3 is amazing in 1080P (mostly).

Nvidia says they have tested over 500 games with 3D Vision. However, NONE of the Open GL games are supported at all. And some of the older games that they didn't test - like Dreamfall: The Longest Journey - is great and S3D adds to the immersion. In fact, one game that i put down as boring and confused - Clive Barker's Jericho - looks interesting again with 3D Vision and i began playing it again.

What is great about S3D is that you can revisit your old library. And a 120Hz display is an advantage for shooter fans.

Yeah, I do have a couple of questions and requests. First of all is your feeling on ghosting or crosstalk. Does it annoy you at all? How often do you find it to be a problem?

One other question is do you find 30fps in 3d to feel like a normal 30fps? For some reason I am less bothered by lower framerates in 3d. I don't know if its since you still see 60fps between both eyes, idk. Am I alone on that?

A couple of cpu benches would be great too. Even with a single GTX570 I find myself cpu bottlenecked in a few games with a 2500k at 4.6ghz.

A guy at Rage3d uploaded a fix for the sky rendering in Oblivion in 3d. I haven't tried it but it may be worth a shot.

 

[apoppin]

I use these wired 3d vision glasses that I got from Provantage, they work really well and the price is much easier to swallow at $80.



Yeah, I do have a couple of questions and requests. First of all is your feeling on ghosting or crosstalk. Does it annoy you at all? How often do you find it to be a problem?

One other question is do you find 30fps in 3d to feel like a normal 30fps? For some reason I am less bothered by lower framerates in 3d. I don't know if its since you still see 60fps between both eyes, idk. Am I alone on that?

A couple of cpu benches would be great too. Even with a single GTX570 I find myself cpu bottlenecked in a few games with a 2500k at 4.6ghz.

A guy at Rage3d uploaded a fix for the sky rendering in Oblivion in 3d. I haven't tried it but it may be worth a shot.

$80 makes it worth it to try 3D Vision imo - as long as you have a 120Hz display - and they have their own real advantages, especially if you play shooters. i believe they are also returnable if you do not like the experience. A few people evidently just are never comfortable with it but it is a tiny minority - MOST gamers get used to 3D Vision and tend to increase the depth after awhile (set it at minimum to begin).

i am not sure that you are CPU bottlenecked with 3D Vision - except by games where you are CPU bottlenecked anyway (which is some RTS games). i think your bottlenecks would disappear with a 2nd GTX 570 (for example)

You also got to remember that when it says "30" FPS - that is what it is struggling to achieve in some cases. Often it is running slower that it says - so disable settings
- start with NO motion blur and no Post Processing. Then hit shadows and turn AA to 2X. See if that doesn't make a real difference... A lot of these details interfere with one's enjoyment of the best 3D experience

You have to fiddle a lot with some games to get S3D right. i'd suggest Nvidia's own 3D Vision section on their forums if you want shortcuts (although i almost never look there except to confirm as there is a certain satisfaction to finding it yourself).

 

[apoppin]

Oh yes .. you asked about ghosting

You have to live with it .. it is inherent to S3D .. .*however* it can be minimized partly by adjusting convergence. If you want better than what Nvidia gives you for general settings, you have to research.

Fortunately Nvidia's own guys (who write the drivers) love 3D vision and they blog about how to get the best results. For example, Batman AA can benefit from tweaking even though it looks awesome at default.

http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/convergence/

or tips on DA 2 demo
http://3dvision-blog.com/category/s3d-games/page/3/

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

$80 makes it worth it to try 3D Vision imo - as long as you have a 120Hz display - and they have their own real advantages, especially if you play shooters. i believe they are also returnable if you do not like the experience. A few people evidently just are never comfortable with it but it is a tiny minority - MOST gamers get used to 3D Vision and tend to increase the depth after awhile (set it at minimum to begin).

i am not sure that you are CPU bottlenecked with 3D Vision - except by games where you are CPU bottlenecked anyway (which is some RTS games). i think your bottlenecks would disappear with a 2nd GTX 570 (for example)

You also got to remember that when it says "30" FPS - that is what it is struggling to achieve in some cases. Often it is running slower that it says - so disable settings
- start with NO motion blur and no Post Processing. Then hit shadows and turn AA to 2X. See if that doesn't make a real difference... A lot of these details interfere with one's enjoyment of the best 3D experience

You have to fiddle a lot with some games to get S3D right. i'd suggest Nvidia's own 3D Vision section on their forums if you want shortcuts (although i almost never look there except to confirm as there is a certain satisfaction to finding it yourself).

I'm not saying across the board but in some games like GTA4 (obviously), Fallout New Vegas (probably Oblivion) and Borderlands I've been cpu limited. I would imagine that other UE3 games might show the same, they seem to love cpu power. Other than that minimum framerate is a little more important in S3D, I wonder how much cpu horsepower helps on a single display especially with sli.

One other thing that I was wondering. Does S3D reduce noticeable microstutter. I've been pretty sensitive to this in the past but with the shutter glasses I wonder if its any less noticeable.

 

[TechBoyJK]

@apoppin

Why is Crysis 2 at the top of your list?

 

[KaOTiK]

@apoppin

Why is Crysis 2 at the top of your list?

I haven't played Crysis 2 with it yet personally, but I'm guessing it is because Crytek did do a lot of work for the 3D side of the game with the engine.

Metro 2033 is another one that the engine was made with 3D in mind and it looks great. Batman AA is still my personal fav though, it just looks so awesome and I can not wait for the new one.

 

[apoppin]

I'm not saying across the board but in some games like GTA4 (obviously), Fallout New Vegas (probably Oblivion) and Borderlands I've been cpu limited. I would imagine that other UE3 games might show the same, they seem to love cpu power. Other than that minimum framerate is a little more important in S3D, I wonder how much cpu horsepower helps on a single display especially with sli.

One other thing that I was wondering. Does S3D reduce noticeable microstutter. I've been pretty sensitive to this in the past but with the shutter glasses I wonder if its any less noticeable.

Borderlands is not CPU limited - no more than any other Unreal engine 3; Oblivion doesn't need any more than a C2D or Phenom II and the same with Fallout (Gamebryo engine).

You need a better video card - or SLI - your CPU is *fine* ,.., you are probably listening to a certain poster in Video who has NO CLUE about CPU bottlenecking but acts as an expert
- he even "felt" the Phenom II was "snappier" than his old C2D which is a lot of bullcrap - no wonder he always had issues with his minimums.


Microstutter is something you get (generally) when you are pushing the graphics too hard - just lower the settings!

@apoppin

Why is Crysis 2 at the top of your list?

Crysis 2 has the best implementation of S3D so far (that i have seen). Second is DNF. Of course, i am talking of the new games. Batman AA and Just Cause 2 also are outstanding. In all of these cases (and many more), 3D Vision *adds* to the immersion with no drawbacks that i can discover.
:thumbsup:

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

The gamebyro engine used in Oblivion, FO3, etc is notoriously cpu limited and single threaded. Once you throw some mods into play it is very cpu dependent. I noticed no difference between 6950 and 6950 crossfire in New Vegas but a pretty nice difference between an i5 760 and i5 2500k. Borderlands without AA(aa causes a massive performace hit in this game) is also very cpu limited. X-bit uses it in reviews if you want some benchmarks.

Even in certain graphics intensive games like Crysis the cpu can make a difference with minimum framerates. I noticed this more in sli, I'm just without a card for the time being.

I've found this to be a great article on microstutter. I haven't had much time to play with sli but it is something that I saw with 6950 crossfire.

 

[Aikouka]

Ugh, darn you all tempting me to try the 3D! It sounds nifty, but I only have an AMD card, so that's a no go. I thought I've heard some things in the past about AMD working out their own 3D... or am I just remembering incorrectly?