Who else thinks the HD3870 sucks?

[taltamir]

The GT was meant to give nvidia higher margins on existing performance levels... that is all.. it is not so much as a new generation as it is a refresh to cut costs while maintaining performance where it is. Even when selling for less money per card they are still making more money in margins due to much lower production costs. Competition = none

 

[n7]

I'm one of the unhappy 8800 GTX owners too, sorry guys.

I realize that the 8800 GT & HD 3870 are great options for those running <1600x1200/1680x1050 monitors (& not DX10 games like Crysis), but it's ridiculous that over a year after the GTX, we still have nothing else worth buying.

I'm not saying i want $700 flagships, but seriously...

 

[requiem1]

Originally posted by: n7
I'm one of the unhappy 8800 GTX owners too, sorry guys.

I realize that the 8800 GT & HD 3870 are great options for those running <1600x1200/1680x1050 monitors (& not DX10 games like Crysis), but it's ridiculous that over a year after the GTX, we still have nothing else worth buying.

I'm not saying i want $700 flagships, but seriously...

if i were u i would be really happy. you are STILL king after over a full year....that is Godly in this market....

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: requiem1

Originally posted by: n7
I'm one of the unhappy 8800 GTX owners too, sorry guys.

I realize that the 8800 GT & HD 3870 are great options for those running <1600x1200/1680x1050 monitors (& not DX10 games like Crysis), but it's ridiculous that over a year after the GTX, we still have nothing else worth buying.

I'm not saying i want $700 flagships, but seriously...

if i were u i would be really happy. you are STILL king after over a full year....that is Godly in this market....

careful there, that is communist thinking... (well, not REAL communist by the theory, but how "communist" government really operated). Rather then getting better stuff for yourself have everyone else have less making you have more by comparison...

While it might satisfy the extremely vain any sane person would realize that it is better to get more (for yourself AND others) then have everyone else get less.

 

[Tempered81]

i had a black pearl xxx ultra, but i traded in and bought my whole computer in the sig at the bottom.

i couldn't play the copy of crysis that i downloaded without a monitor or cpu. sure the ultra looks cool and all

 

[trajan2050]

"All that matters is price performance in the real world. Those 1% the market who buy super high end cards are the minority.

If AMD can deliver solid price than these midrange cards are sucess. Lot better than $300 8800gt"

Nvidia obliterates the 3870. XFX is releasing a 8800 GT for under $200!

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: n7
I'm one of the unhappy 8800 GTX owners too, sorry guys.

I realize that the 8800 GT & HD 3870 are great options for those running <1600x1200/1680x1050 monitors (& not DX10 games like Crysis), but it's ridiculous that over a year after the GTX, we still have nothing else worth buying.

I'm not saying i want $700 flagships, but seriously...

Remember when I asked you everyone who had huge LCD monitors what would they do if Crysis couldn't be run smoothly on the best video card? I asked something like that. Looks like I was right unfortunately. Lets just hope we don't have to wait much longer than 6 months for a new high end video card that beats the GTX and Ultra by a lot. If we do its going to be a painful wait. I don't want to go SLI either.

 

[bigi]

The OP raises some valid points people... I don't see how you can justify such acridity towards his opinions. And those personal attacks against him for voicing them are just uncalled for.

Amen.

OP points out very good facts regarding video cards lately...
8800GT might be a good refreshment - ONLY.
All who pay upper $200 for this need their heads examined, not the OP for speaking the truth.

 

[Capt Caveman]

But why does the OP have to create another thread? Why not just update his original thread with the 3870 and continue to cry there?

 

[saiga6360]

No, I don't think these new cards suck. I wouldn't want to pay 500-800$ for a card that would need replacing every year. I guess I should feel bad about not having the 'high end' option to play a 'high end' game/demo but I just don't. There are better, more optimized games out there that I can play this year. If you want high end, wait a few more months. A little patience goes a long way.

 

[imported_cambit69]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
But why does the OP have to create another thread? Why not just update his original thread with the 3870 and continue to cry there?

the old thread was about the 8800GT, this one is dedicated to the HD3870

as for the GTS/GTX owners, if you had bought it when it first came out last november 06', you would have enjoyed a years worth of TOP OF THE LINE gaming even by todays standards, AND going by todays conservative resell value you would only have depreciated about ~$200.

so for the folks mobbing the retail stores this christmas for a crap HD3870 for $200, know that you made a bad investment for not picking up the GTS/GTX last november. lastly, we all have ATI/NVidia to blame.

Another thing that I see is peoples standards have come down. last years tech for half the price of high-end and it's like the 2nd coming of christ here. a lot of you guys are saying it wasn't meant to replace the high-end and that its just a mid-class card. well according to every news site including anandtech the HD3870/8800GT was meant to cannibalize their ENTIRE PRODUCT LINEUP and you would be dumb to purchase anything other that today.

so what do I consider a good standard? I want to see this years tech ( at least 50% faster than last years high-end) for same price of HD3870/ 8800GT. if that happens, then i'd be burrowing myself into thier nuts in a heartbeat. :thumbsup:

 

[Aiden]

The OP is only correct in reguards to the inflated price for the 8800GT, and the inflated price on the 3870/3850 from ncix. These cards are not intended to Fill the high end market. In 2-3 months you will be seeing 8800Gt for under 230$, possibly 200$ with rebates. the 8800Gt 256MB version will be under 200$. Prices for the ATI cards will be even lower. at 150$ the ATI 3850 looks to be one of the best deals in along time.


What the 8800GT does is fill a slot for a despertly needed mid range-high mid range market. yes its a refresh card, based on the old G80 GPU. That does not change the fact, that the card is a great card , when compared to the 85xx, 86xx trash that nvidia has been pushing for roughly the same MSRP.

The same can be said for the 38xx series cards, they face the same issue. was anyone really impressed with any GPUS in the 8x series outside the 8800, or in the 2k ati series besides the 2900 line?

The OP is complaining about waiting 12 months for a New High end preformance GPU, hell most of us in The midrange market have been waiting 2x as long. People are still sitting on old 7x, 6x, x1, radeon 800 cards because There has been no value in upgrading.

 

[Cogman]

Originally posted by: cambit69

Originally posted by: Syntax Error
Not all of us can afford a $500-700 GPU every year. This new line of midrange $250 graphics cards that almost rival the power of these $500 GPUs is a great opportunity for those of us that want to get some gaming power. Sure, it may not run Crysis at a full 60FPS, but neither will your $500 GPU either.

When the new stuff comes out, feel free to dump another $500-700 to fill your void in your life.

straight-line depreciation

purchase price of asset = $700
estimated salvage value at end of life = $200
estimated useful life of asset = 24 months

($700 - $200) / 24 = $20.83 monthly depreciation of your 8800GTX if you bought it brand new in November 2006.

today is november 14th 2007, approx. 12 months since first purchase. 12 * $20.83 = $250 depreciated to date. current book value of 8800gtx = $450

quick look on ebay, the last 6 GTX's sold for ~$414

so in conclusion my purchase made 1 year ago is still worth more than your 8800GT which you probably paid $300 for because it's sold out everywhere AND I still get more performance than you.... pwnd

would you like me to calculate double-declining rate depreciation for you as well?

LOL!!! HA HA HA.

Ahem.. What kind of performance boost do you get over the 8800 GT? 5%? Now what price premium do you have to pay 65% Are you seeing the irony here? You are trying to make a MIDRANGE (NOT HIGH END) GPU into a high end one. The fact that it competes with the GTX only seems to say to me that there will probably be a new GTX that will come out that will preform miles above the current one. (or at least 10-15% better)

I don't know what you think you are pwnding, fact of the matter is, you payed $700 and a person can pay ~$300 overclock and OUT preform your card. Even now if someone pays the $414 for a new GTX now they are throwing $100 away because they can get the cheaper GT (and now HD 3870) and get close to the same performance at a fraction of the cost.

The only thing your proved in your post is that you have to pay more for a GTX then a GT and get a minimal performance increase, yeah that sounds like true pwnage.

The only point I could see from you is that it is disappointing that we haven't seen huge performance leaps like we are used to. Welcome to Capitalism. Companies don't put out there latest and greatest if the competition isn't competing with their current generation. I imagine that if the 3870 didn't come out then we would even see the GT.

 

[nyker96]

I disagree with OP, these new AMD cards are not competing on the same price. They are actually about 85% of 8800GT/512's price, performance-wise they are on average about 85%. So if you like higher performance just buy the 8800GT no one will doubt your decision here. If you can tolerate a lower performance and wanted to save a little get the new AMD cards.

But I do agree with OP that the lack of competition is driving down the progress in video card market. But that's due to AMD's current financial situation. If they can put more cash on R&D I think I would have. Wait a little, maybe AMD will bounce back or we might see a 3rd company entering the market. Things might change then just like the old days of ATI/Nvidia competitions.

 

[cubeless]

but if you stay in the here and now for a minute, it's not a bad thing that good performance at a reasonable resolution at a better price is being made available for us detestable unwashed masses who have a little less bux to spend on pc's for whatever reason...

these cards make good performance at 1440x900 in just about all games affordable...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: cambit69
First disappointment of the year was the 8800GT, now it's the HD3870. Performs slower than the 8800GT which performs slower than the 8800GTX. LOL at AMD trying to push UVD and DX10.1.

Is it just me or is the entire video card industry sucking? The HD3870 and 8800GT are examples of year old technology being shoved down the consumers throats and then marketed as being the next-generation thing. Maybe the two companies got smart and decided it wasn't worth it to compete performance wise and met in secret to collude and make crappy video cards.

LOL at trying to fit 4 of them in crossfire, what are they smoking?

they are getting smarter ... they are after the Big Bucks - the upper--midrange cards

as for me ... HD3870 seems *perfect* with my current 2900xt in Xfire ... a $600 total GPU solution that will play Crysis and will blow away any current single GPU

 

[bryanW1995]

theoretically it should, but I looked at a few links last night showing 2x3870 in xfire performed at or slightly below gtx stock levels. You might want to wait a month or 2 for newer drivers...and lower cost.

 

[nitromullet]

The HD3870 and 8800GT don't suck, not by a long shot, but the fact that the GTX/Ultra are still the highest performers out there is a bit disappointing. You do have to admit that the Crossfire X press picture with the four cards is just a tad ridiculous...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
theoretically it should, but I looked at a few links last night showing 2x3870 in xfire performed at or slightly below gtx stock levels. You might want to wait a month or 2 for newer drivers...and lower cost.

those are driver issues ... i AM waiting for a sale

no hurry
...Hg:L looks and runs great and it looks like i will get well over 120 hours out of the SP alone ... then i have 7 games from '50--07 to complete

think there will be a sale by then ?


at any rate, i will also need to upgrade my e4300 to QC Penryn to take full advantage of it ... by THEN, there may EVEN be a much faster single GPU
... so i am OK

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
The HD3870 and 8800GT don't suck, not by a long shot, but the fact that the GTX/Ultra are still the highest performers out there is a bit disappointing. You do have to admit that the Crossfire X press picture with the four cards is just a tad ridiculous...

they should call it something cool and exotic, like, um, how about crossfire crossdresser?

@apoppin: how low does it need to be? we both kept waiting for $225 2900 pro. what do you think, 200 shipped for 3870?

 

[aldamon]

Originally posted by: cambit69
the old thread was about the 8800GT, this one is dedicated to the HD3870

as for the GTS/GTX owners, if you had bought it when it first came out last november 06', you would have enjoyed a years worth of TOP OF THE LINE gaming even by todays standards, AND going by todays conservative resell value you would only have depreciated about ~$200.

so for the folks mobbing the retail stores this christmas for a crap HD3870 for $200, know that you made a bad investment for not picking up the GTS/GTX last november. lastly, we all have ATI/NVidia to blame.

Another thing that I see is peoples standards have come down. last years tech for half the price of high-end and it's like the 2nd coming of christ here. a lot of you guys are saying it wasn't meant to replace the high-end and that its just a mid-class card. well according to every news site including anandtech the HD3870/8800GT was meant to cannibalize their ENTIRE PRODUCT LINEUP and you would be dumb to purchase anything other that today.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[trajan2050]

From Hexus:

What the graph tells you is that, as far as our benchmarks are concerned, spending a little more on a GeForce 8800 GT is worth the extra outlay.

Had the metric been the same we could have surmised that the extra outlay was compensated for by a linear increase in normalised performance. The very fact that the Radeon HD 3870 matches the HD 2900 XT's performance but undercuts its pricing significantly, is manifested by an appropriately poor HEXUS.bang4buck score for that older card - 0.49.




Raising the considered resolution to 1920x1200 reduces the metric but the interpretation remains the same, that is, it's worth spending more on a GeForce 8800 GT because you are more than compensated for the expense by exponentially higher frame rates.

 

[brencat]

I've read most of the new reviews on the various sites, yet I don't recall seeing any charts yet showing side-by-side FPS performance of the 3870 alone @ stock vs. OCed at each of the various 1284 x 1024, 1600 x 1200, and 1920 x 1200 resolutions. It certainly appears that there is decent OC headroom on the core and memory. If I am mistaken, can somebody kindly provide a link? Thx.

 

[MisterPinchy]

I didn't read every single HD38xx review, so maybe the answer to this question was touched on.

Is there any information that there are new Catalyst drivers being released very soon (like in a week or two) that are supposed to increase the current performance of the HD 3850 and HD 3870?

 

[AzN]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
theoretically it should, but I looked at a few links last night showing 2x3870 in xfire performed at or slightly below gtx stock levels. You might want to wait a month or 2 for newer drivers...and lower cost.

I saw the opposite. I saw 2 3850 neck and neck with gtx.