Who else is gonna miss the F-body?

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
How about some more relies from people who have owned these cars and not from people who drive the pis poor car mags on the market today?

Why? To get skewed opinions? So that people won't point out the flaws with the car? If you like buying cars that have crappy interiors, have on abstruction on the passenger side and whose seams don't even line up, that's your thing bud.

Heck, even the Mustang is a foot shorter. I'd rather have an '03 Cobra.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
How about some more relies from people who have owned these cars and not from people who drive the pis poor car mags on the market today?

Why? To get skewed opinions? So that people won't point out the flaws with the car? If you like buying cars that have crappy interiors, have on abstruction on the passenger side and whose seams don't even line up, that's your thing bud.

Heck, even the Mustang is a foot shorter. I'd rather have an '03 Cobra.

Flaws? Haven't found any. GM is ranked #2 in new car quality at J.D. Powers.

Obstruction? I sat in the passenger seat one time I didn't notice anything and I'm a big guy. I'll look again.

Seams don't match up? Is this 1970?

 

[Magicthyse]

I've never driven one so I can't comment on that, but as far as looks go? Ewwwww, Ghetto...

 

[thebestMAX]

Radeon said
<<Its nice that you've never actually been to a SCCA Auto-X event. If you think ITRs and Miatas dominate Auto-X, you need to move on to REAL Auto-X where its not your friends driving around like jackasses in the local Kroger parking lot.>>

ROFL, PMPL How true, how sad.

LOcal Kroger parking lot!!! PMPL again!!!!

 

[thebestMAX]

Tuffguy-
<<Why? To get skewed opinions? So that people won't point out the flaws with the car? If you like buying cars that have crappy interiors, have on abstruction on the passenger side and whose seams don't even line up, that's your thing bud.>>

F-bodys have lots of flaws as do most cars on the road. Ill give you the abstruction (your spelling) and the interior. Ive said before the build quality and materials used in the newer fbodies are not up to the quality of my past 93 BUT.................This is about performance, bang for the buck and so on. Im not putting down other marques, just stating the obvious.

A 0-60 in 5 sec car for about 25K is a bargain as is a car that turns over 100 in the quarter in the 13s easily stock, rides well, has good gas mileage and is comfortable on a trip.

Its your money, buy what you want . BTW, HAVE YOU????? or are you armchair racing???

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: Radeon
I've withstained from saying this before, but god, you're a rice boy. I say "Camaro's rip you a new one" and the reply is "Well my import is more comfortable!" Or "Damn, did you see that SS rip apart the S4 in the next lane" and then I hear "well the S4 would destroy it on the track" and over and over and over. You need to put Sport Compact Car down and go out and actually do, or at least watch in person, the stuff that you try and talk about.

I'm not even going to adress the idiotic power/weight discussion above because you simply don't understand cars in general.

/me sighs

Geez... I talk about *overall* performance and handling, you talk about ripping the guy in the next lane going in a straight line. I've said it before, Camaros are great for straightline. And the torque makes the acceleration a lot more fun. But while I'd like to have a car with a powerful engine, I want to make sure that the rest of the car holds up too. How old are those power buttons in the Camaro? You'd think that they would at least improve those. I don't want to drive in a high powered car with the interior of a Cavalier. I bring up rallying because it gives manufacturers a great opportunity to figure out how to improve the suspension. The Camaro has a lot of body roll. Not to mention that it's heavy. Chevy should use some of Subaru's experience. It can be made a lot more neutral by improving the suspension. I mean, the Cobra weighs a couple of hundred pounds more and it still handles better.

Please enlighten me on "the idiotic power/weight" issue. Or lack of it. Please wise one, help me see the light.

Which Auto-X category are you talking about?

FINAL POINT: (since I do like the LS1 and we ARE talking about the F-body) - Are you trying to tell me that the F-body is an excellent platform and that it doesn't have any flaws? Are you saying that the F-body is better than the future Sigma platform?

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
Tuffguy-
<<Why? To get skewed opinions? So that people won't point out the flaws with the car? If you like buying cars that have crappy interiors, have on abstruction on the passenger side and whose seams don't even line up, that's your thing bud.>>

F-bodys have lots of flaws as do most cars on the road. Ill give you the abstruction (your spelling) and the interior. Ive said before the build quality and materials used in the newer fbodies are not up to the quality of my past 93 BUT.................This is about performance, bang for the buck and so on. Im not putting down other marques, just stating the obvious.

A 0-60 in 5 sec car for about 25K is a bargain as is a car that turns over 100 in the quarter in the 13s easily stock, rides well, has good gas mileage and is comfortable on a trip.

Its your money, buy what you want . BTW, HAVE YOU????? or are you armchair racing???

Like I've said before. If all you care about is straight-line performance, the Camaro's perfect. Living in an area where traffic is bad, parking's a b!tch, and parking spaces are tight, I'd like the Camaro to be a little different. And as I've said before, I actually went out to buy an SS Camaro. But I was very deflated after I got in and realized just how BIG the car was. The engine felt great, but the hood was too long and the handling was clumsier than what I'm used to. Even the shifter was awkward, but that can be fixed (somewhat) with an aftermarket kit.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

The Cobra only has a curb weight of around 3800 lbs, and it only handles better because of the IRS. (I'm not sure how the live axle Cobras compare to the Z28/SS)

And it's not my argument, but Radeon/tBM have never said the F-Body is free of all/any flaws - it's just not the pos you're making it out to be based off one test drive you had with it. (tBM owned a 93/94 and currently has a 02 I think) It's one thing to be ripping it a new one on one test drive - it's another to be ripping it a new one if you've driven it for 10 years.

Just say Radeon were to rip on the current Eclipse based on one test drive. You would instantly come in and throw down his argument because he's basing it off one test drive, while you've owned it for a year or so and know the car inside and out. That's all they're doing with the Camaro/Firebird.

(I'm not trying to flame but that's just my two cents based off what I've read)

 

[LAUST]

BTW again you are showing me PEAK numbers,

 

[Lucky]

Yes, I have seen the underside of the Camaro. Are you trying to tell me that the design can't be improved, and the hump can't be removed? Or that the cats can't be placed elsewhere?

Oh god. Smoking your tires. Much good that'll do you when racing. You might as well get out of your car, rip off your wife-beater, and start growling and flexing like Hogan.

hahah, im with you tuffguy. the OP is an idiotic fanboy.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: LAUST
When the Fvck are you gonna learn how engines work for real instead of just reading about them and hearing about them from the local rice boys at the gas station?

BTW again you are showing me PEAK numbers, I care not for them, they are useless. Put all the boost you little kids want in your rice mobiles, then try to get that 200K mile reliability you guys think you are going to get, I see more Talons and Eclipse's burning oil then any other car on the road.'

And as for that "Handles in the turns" crap, Get OVER it, Read my sig for starters and 2nd, I've been to many many cities across the US, they are not slalem coarses. So that beat everyone on the streets crap cause it can take a turn has to GO it's old and tiresom and is MEANINGLESS. You are only quoting the rice boys at the local taco bell parking lot.

You do realize that those are NA numbers right? And you do realize that you're talking about a VQ engine, not a VTEC or VVTI one right? Are you trying to tell me that the engine is going to fall apart? So much for your "boost" and "riceboy" argument...

I don't think that you're quite grasping the point. You'll (or at least I do) spend more time making left and right turns to cut through and avoid traffic than stoplight racing.

And please lose the parking lot analogy. I have never even gone to a car meet to check out other people's cars. I've had so many people in V6 Camaros and Mustangs try to race me that it's not even funny. They think that just because they're driving a "Mustang" or a "Camaro" they can beat anything.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: Squisher
Flaws? Haven't found any. GM is ranked #2 in new car quality at J.D. Powers.

Obstruction? I sat in the passenger seat one time I didn't notice anything and I'm a big guy. I'll look again.

Seams don't match up? Is this 1970?

Oh please. The GM is ranked #2 was discussed a few months ago. Are you trying to tell me that they have better quality than Honda, Toyota, Lexus, BMW, Acura, etc? Or are they ranked #2 in new car quality among DOMESTICS?

Have you even looked at how the doors and the trunk line up?

 

[thebestMAX]

Tuffguy-

Not putting you down but if you think a Camaro is "big", what would you have thought about a 55/57 Chevy, a Chrysler Barracuda, Roadrunner, Charger or a Ford Torino? How about my 57 Dodge D-500 with dual 4 barrels? Or the great Chrysler 300-C And on and on and on.

Yes, you cant see the corners of a TA or Camaro to park (or the above) but if you cant judge the distances then you shouldnt be driving them.

 

[Nefrodite]

im' not really😛 the cars have an image problem at the very least😛 iroc? ah yes, the wife beaters car. cameros? hicks car😛 cars too long and stuff😛 too many high school jerkoffs owned the car in the past... mustangs are more like normal cars, more practical. but like the jetta, a womans car.

<--- 1st car was a camaro


once i get a job and have to buy a car... i think i'd go for an import or something.

 

[GasX]

I am going to miss them. They looked great in my Mustang's rear view mirror.

😀

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Just say Radeon were to rip on the current Eclipse based on one test drive. You would instantly come in and throw down his argument because he's basing it off one test drive, while you've owned it for a year or so and know the car inside and out. That's all they're doing with the Camaro/Firebird.

Of course. But I will not deny its shortcomings. They on the other hand see nothing wrong with the platform.

Let's see, what bugs me about my Eclipse... Well, it sits a little higher than I'd like as the suspension is targeted more for luxury and cruising than for sportyness so the cornering kinda sucks, it has a really low (6000rpm) redline, and those gel-filled motor mounts create wheel hop. Oh yeah, the spedometer is not positioned properly, but they fixed that for 2003.

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

You do realize that those are NA numbers right? And you do realize that you're talking about a VQ engine, not a VTEC or VVTI one right? Are you trying to tell me that the engine is going to fall apart? So much for your "boost" and "riceboy" argument...

No dude I never had a clue they were N/A

You try to put boost to a V6 producing that kind of power stock it means it's got high compression, which means the longevity once you do that is GONE. Getting the picture now?

If you think 290HP is a lot well thats you in the rearview mirror then, cause those new Alt's are not fast, they are quick, but not fast.

I don't think that you're quite grasping the point. You'll (or at least I do) spend more time making left and right turns to cut through and avoid traffic than stoplight racing

I don't think you grasp ANY point, I can make turns in my 5300lb truck just fine and make it through traffic... if you have trouble doing this AND parking a car which is NOTHING compared to the TWENTY foot truck I drive... maybe you should take public transportation cause you sound like the typical 95% people on the road terrible driver.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
Tuffguy-

Not putting you down but if you think a Camaro is "big", what would you have thought about a 55/57 Chevy, a Chrysler Barracuda, Roadrunner, Charger or a Ford Torino? How about my 57 Dodge D-500 with dual 4 barrels? Or the great Chrysler 300-C And on and on and on.

Yes, you cant see the corners of a TA or Camaro to park (or the above) but if you cant judge the distances then you shouldnt be driving them.

Well, I've been driving since '94 and I consider myself a pretty good driver as my driving record shows, but that's not really the point.

Sure, a good driver can drive anything, but that does not mean that a good driver *should* drive anything. TO ME, the huge size was a big turnoff. I love the way it looks, I love the engine, but the little details are what bother me.

(I'd take an old school Camaro or BOSS Mustang any day. For THOSE cars, I'd learn to adjust to the size.)

 

[thebestMAX]

<<I'd take an old school Camaro or BOSS Mustang any day. For THOSE cars, I'd learn to adjust to the size.>>

Tuffguy-

Having driven both, these were SMALLER than the new models but did have slightly better visibility out the windows.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: LAUST
No dude I never had a clue they were N/A

You try to put boost to a V6 producing that kind of power stock it means it's got high compression, which means the longevity once you do that is GONE. Getting the picture now?

If you think 290HP is a lot well thats you in the rearview mirror then, cause those new Alt's are not fast, they are quick, but not fast.

Right right... Which is why all those Hondas and Toyotas and their high compression have such poor reliability right?

And I don't think that the Z's compression is above 9:5-1, and the redline is at ~7000rpm.

290hp isn't that much (more than I have), but when you compare the 290hp from a 3.5L to the 310hp from a 5.7L that kind of puts things in perspective. It only makes 80hp/L and it's still pretty torquey. And it's a nicer sized car.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: LAUST
I don't think you grasp ANY point, I can make turns in my 5300lb truck just fine and make it through traffic... if you have trouble doing this AND parking a car which is NOTHING compared to the TWENTY foot truck I drive... maybe you should take public transportation cause you sound like the typical 95% people on the road terrible driver.

If you don't mind slowing down to under 5mph to make a turn that is... I prefer to take my lefties and my righties a little faster, and I don't want to feel like I'd gonna roll over. That said, I think that we are finally on the same page in regards to what we like our cars to feel like.

 

[TuffGuy]

Originally posted by: thebestMAX
<<I'd take an old school Camaro or BOSS Mustang any day. For THOSE cars, I'd learn to adjust to the size.>>

Tuffguy-

Having driven both, these were SMALLER than the new models but did have slightly better visibility out the windows.

It doesn't matter even matter if they were bigger. Those cars were sweet looking. Granted, they were probably heavy as heck and not as fast as today's models, but I still want one.

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Right right... Which is why all those Hondas and Toyotas and their high compression have such poor reliability right?

Slap forced induction on them like you missed reading and they need rebuilds every other season if they make it that far.

And I don't think that the Z's compression is above 9:5-1, and the redline is at ~7000rpm.

What does the compression and redline have to do with each other? I can slap the LS6 CAM in my truck and be a 7000rpm redline... got a point? I don't want that redline, takes away from low end grunt.

290hp isn't that much (more than I have), but when you compare the 290hp from a 3.5L to the 310hp from a 5.7L that kind of puts things in perspective. It only makes 80hp/L and it's still pretty torquey. And it's a nicer sized car.

Ummm again Horse Power is a CALCULATION, it's not a real number, get a Dyno of each car and lets look at the TORQUE curve okay? Dyno HP is for stupid people, if you cant to give me a REAL HP number base it off a 1/4 mile physical run, not this crap based at the crank.

The LS1's power band will DESTROY the 3.5's. So all thet HP/Liter is out the door, we are not playing kiddie articles we read in Road & Track, we are gonna talk about real life now.

 

[LAUST]

Originally posted by: TuffGuy

Originally posted by: LAUST
I don't think you grasp ANY point, I can make turns in my 5300lb truck just fine and make it through traffic... if you have trouble doing this AND parking a car which is NOTHING compared to the TWENTY foot truck I drive... maybe you should take public transportation cause you sound like the typical 95% people on the road terrible driver.

If you don't mind slowing down to under 5mph to make a turn that is... I prefer to take my lefties and my righties a little faster, and I don't want to feel like I'd gonna roll over. That said, I think that we are finally on the same page in regards to what we like our cars to feel like.

Well if you make it feel like it's gonna roll thats your terrible driving, I can take turns at safe MPH just fine with no feel of rolling...

btw kid, you're in my neighborhood you better take your turns at safe mph, driving since 94 means nothing yet, you are still inexperienced.

Edit: I can make turns above 5mph, but I've been driving a lot longer then since 94 😛

 

[thebestMAX]

<<It doesn't matter even matter if they were bigger. Those cars were sweet looking. Granted, they were probably heavy as heck and not as fast as today's models, but I still want one. >>

Ill agree with you on this! 🙂