Whiteman ($125m) vs Brown ($4m), can this be a fair contest?

[Craig234]

Democrats are always on the side of good, while the Republicans are always on the side of evil. It's only fair to win at any cost.

95% of the attacks on the left here are based on lies and false information, the other 5% I can't remember.

 

[MotF Bane]

95% of the attacks on the left here are based on lies and false information, the other 5% I can't remember.

And what percentage of statistics are made up? Yeah.

 

[nonlnear]

95% of the attacks on the left here are based on lies and false information, the other 5% I can't remember.

And what percentage of statistics are made up? Yeah.

The point Craig234 was trying to make wasn't about the percentages, but that he ignores every sane argument he comes across and fixates on the idiotic ones. It actually explains a lot...

 

[MJinZ]

I came here for White Man vs Brown Man debate. I done been trolled.

 

[Anarchist420]

Is that the jerk who is gutting gay protections?

Yes, but he's also trying to gut Obamacare and he was endorsed by the Republican Liberty Caucus, as well as Dr. Paul.

 

[Anarchist420]

Oh, the ignorance and ideology. I guess the communists are entitled to use any means to win, since the media is so unfairly against them, barely even mentioning them?

It can't possibly be that the Republicans are worse why the media doesn't endorse them, while being more than fair in coverage?

Funny how the state's good times are under Democrats, and things get worse under Republicans.

Funny how the big problems are related to Republicans, from passing a 2/3 budget vote giving radical Republicans a veto, to slashing the tax base by slashing commercial property taxes, to several Republican governors. But clearly, you say, the problem are the Democrats - without a word to back up your claim. Funny how they were balancing the budget a lot better with their 'big spending' before the Republicans got a veto.

You have a point; Jerry Brown was more fiscally conservative than reagan as governor. I'm wondering if Deeds could've cut spending more than McDonnel has who hasn't really cut spending much. VA spends way too much on law enforcement.

 

[Craig234]

The point Craig234 was trying to make wasn't about the percentages, but that he ignores every sane argument he comes across and fixates on the idiotic ones. It actually explains a lot...

Really, then you should have no problem showing 3 arguments of the right saying the left's position which I've said are wrong, that you can show are wrong, right?

 

[nonlnear]

Really, then you should have no problem showing 3 arguments of the right saying the left's position which I've said are wrong, that you can show are wrong, right?

Take a deep breath Craig.

And for future reference, we don't disagree on as many political points as you may suspect; I just find your belligerence off-putting. Often when we agree on matters of policy I find your stridence so grating that I can't bring myself to post in agreement. Something my mother told me about the company you keep...

 

[lothar]

correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't wildly outspending your opponent only OK when a democrat does it?

Yeah, I didn't remember this much garnishing of teeth when Jon Corzine(former CEO/Chairman of Goldman Sachs) was running for Senate and Governor, and spent hundreds of millions buying people's votes.

 

[Craig234]

Take a deep breath Craig.

And for future reference, we don't disagree on as many political points as you may suspect; I just find your belligerence off-putting. Often when we agree on matters of policy I find your stridence so grating that I can't bring myself to post in agreement. Something my mother told me about the company you keep...

Funny, that works both ways - the other way better, IMO. You could use the deep breath before posting a false attack as you did, but you didn't take it and posted it.

And don't seem to like being called on it.

I'm not surprised we 'don't disagree' on more political points; your post here wasn't a 'political point' but a false attack, and you are surprised to get called on it, apparently.

If you had the values as a person you claim to on issues, or that you think you got from your mother, you would withdraw a false attack and even apologize.

It's the company you keep...

This issue is about how often the right misrepresents the left, having a distorted and false view. You leap into the discussion claiming the rate is lower than I've seen with zero facts.

And an attack on top of it.

 

[LumbergTech]

Democrats are always on the side of good, while the Republicans are always on the side of evil. It's only fair to win at any cost.

you know that goes both ways

dont be dense

 

[nonlnear]

Funny, that works both ways - the other way better, IMO. You could use the deep breath before posting a false attack as you did, but you didn't take it and posted it.

And don't seem to like being called on it.

I'm not surprised we 'don't disagree' on more political points; your post here wasn't a 'political point' but a false attack, and you are surprised to get called on it, apparently.

If you had the values as a person you claim to on issues, or that you think you got from your mother, you would withdraw a false attack and even apologize.

It's the company you keep...

This issue is about how often the right misrepresents the left, having a distorted and false view. You leap into the discussion claiming the rate is lower than I've seen with zero facts.

ZOMG! False attack! call a moderator!111!!one!!11!
Please post where I made ANY claim in this thread, let alone the one you claim I made. All I did was paraphrase your 95%/5% post. You yourself stated that you forgot any good arguments you may have seen from the right. It's not a stretch to infer that you don't pay those rare good arguments any heed. The set of ideas a person tends to remember is generally a subset of those ideas one pays attention to...

And an attack on top of it.

You sure do love to type. Have fun with that.

 

[IamDavid]

Oh, the ignorance and ideology. I guess the communists are entitled to use any means to win, since the media is so unfairly against them, barely even mentioning them?

It can't possibly be that the Republicans are worse why the media doesn't endorse them, while being more than fair in coverage?

Funny how the state's good times are under Democrats, and things get worse under Republicans.

Funny how the big problems are related to Republicans, from passing a 2/3 budget vote giving radical Republicans a veto, to slashing the tax base by slashing commercial property taxes, to several Republican governors. But clearly, you say, the problem are the Democrats - without a word to back up your claim. Funny how they were balancing the budget a lot better with their 'big spending' before the Republicans got a veto.

My god man, you're as lost as they come... I feel for you and the people who think/act/live like you.... Please stay in Cali...


States good times?? When was this?? When they ran up spending and ignored corruption and fraud at levels only matched by Wall St. itself.. They created an environment of elitism unlike anything I've ever seen before. Now that the gig is up everyone's looking around wondering who's going to pay for everything... Easy answer... My children...

Politicians and the entire political process contributes very, very little to the actual progress our country/states make.. They do however *^&* it up time and time again..
Bill Clinton had as much to do with the great booming economy as I did... G.W. did allow for the largest crash in our lifetime..
Republicans are no different than the Democrats.. My problem is the idiots who vote for either.. You sir are a fool. Sorry.

 

[Lemon law]

Troll troll all our boats merrily down the stream.

Life is just a scheme.

But if any of you idiots believe the current GOP party line, you will get another huge economic crash after 11/2010.

 

[Carmen813]

No it's because Meg Whitman has to spend 100+ million to even get people to listen to her. Jerry Brown doesn't have to spend jack fucking shit to get elected. Most the people I know are voting for Brown, the guy is getting his monies worth and then some here. Don't be so oblivious Carmen. Meg is a conservative WOMAN republican. I'm more amazed that it's only cost her 125m to get as far as she has.

Easy there killer. I was merely pointing out the fact that the cost of running for elected office is absolutely ridiculous. Do you not think there are thousands, if not millions, of people who would like their voices heard and will never get a microphone anywhere near as big as these two?

Not sure what her being a conservative woman has to do with anything.

 

[Carmen813]

Goddam Republicans and their vote buying.

Oh wait...

When you factor in outside spending and come up with an absolute number, Republicans and Democrats spent nearly identical sums of money in 2008. Part of the reason Obama didn't do public campaign financing was because it was the first time in a very long time that Democrats would have been able to compete with private GOP donors.

and now you know the rest of the story....

 

[wirelessenabled]

Yeah!!! "thanks to the wonderful mentality of the whack jobs on the left.. " California, with 35 million people, has the 8th largest economy in the world at about $1.85 trillion. Nearly 70% larger than the next largest US state economy, Texas at about $1.1 trillion.

In a state like California where nearly every local media outlet is pulling and campaigning for the Dem's then YES, it's fair.. Being born and raised in a place like California where your indoctrinated at birth requires a lot of in your face campaigning to even begin to break through..

The state is a complete and total disaster thanks to the wonderful mentality of the whack jobs on the left..
BTW, not saying the nut jobs on the right are much better... Brown is an old school politician, why go back to that?? More of the same...... Over the next 10 years we must have a epic shift in the way we select and vote for our Representatives.. They have ALL failed yet half of you brain dead political hacks don't care..

 

[BoberFett]

Waaaaaaaah

Waaaaaaah!

Truth hurts.

 

[her209]

I came here for White Man vs Brown Man debate. I done been trolled.

 

[Carmen813]

Truth hurts.

Ah, I see. You didn't actually want to discuss campaign finance, you just wanted to troll. Best of luck to you in your future ventures!

For those who actually have a brain and are interested, that's why its bizarre that Democrats have continued reporting strong fund-raising in this cycle. It isn't until outside groups are factored in that the scales begin to tip in the GOP's favors.

 

[KIAman]

Bleh, who cares. When you have a choice between 2 losers, you simply choose the one that is lesser of a loser.

I'm voting Whiteman because she'll be like Arnold and not take her 6 figure governer's salary. That's less money out of our pockets. Also, her promises of welfare reform is intoxicating. I can't wait for the day that my hard earned money isn't dumped into some loser's pockets.

 

[BoomerD]

Bleh, who cares. When you have a choice between 2 losers, you simply choose the one that is lesser of a loser.

I'm voting Whiteman because she'll be like Arnold and not take her 6 figure governer's salary. That's less money out of our pockets. Also, her promises of welfare reform is intoxicating. I can't wait for the day that my hard earned money isn't dumped into some loser's pockets.

Nope...she'll just give it to the corporations instead. Whether through reduced corporate capital gains taxes, or through corporate tax breaks, she'll still be a big supporter of corporate welfare.
"Let's help the rich and let the poor starve!"

 

[PingSpike]

I don't understand how anyone that has used ebay could vote for Meg Whitman but I have no real dog is that fight.

 

[KIAman]

Nope...she'll just give it to the corporations instead. Whether through reduced corporate capital gains taxes, or through corporate tax breaks, she'll still be a big supporter of corporate welfare.
"Let's help the rich and let the poor starve!"

Good, because you know what corporations do when they get rich and do well? They hire, expand their operations, spend money, do research and did I mention hire?

I'd rather that than my money going to some welfare nut case who has no motivation to ever become a contributing part of society.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Nope...she'll just give it to the corporations instead. Whether through reduced corporate capital gains taxes, or through corporate tax breaks, she'll still be a big supporter of corporate welfare.
"Let's help the rich and let the poor starve!"

That (and PingSpike's response) pretty much sums my thoughts on her.
That and her support of Prop 8 and being against Prop 19 (MJ Legalization) sealed the deal.

If Poizner had won the primary it would be a tougher choice between him and Brown.