Whitehouse ACA Tax Crisis

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Fern

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Now the Whitehouse is worried about the IRS Tax implications of millions of people violating ACA. It is so unmanageable that it is as if the law was written by a childish idiot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/01/u...s-to-limit-health-laws-tax-troubles.html?_r=1

The ACA is turning into a tax management nightmare for the IRS.

Is it Financial Armageddon?

No, this particular problem won't be a "Financial Armageddon". All-in-all a lot of people are going to suffer some additional costs. You have the penalty, and then you're going to see increased costs in tax return preparation. In the aggregate is will be fairly substantial (up to hundreds of millions). The total costs depends upon how many will be required to file additional forms, how many of those will use a tax preparer firm and what the preparers will charge.

Eg: H&R Bloch itself could charge as much as $104 million for the new form(s) related to Obamacare. http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/01/07/us-h-r-block-healthcare-estimates-idINKBN0KG27T20150107

Yes, this will be a "tax management nightmare" for the IRS.

Fern
 

alcoholbob

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Sounds like a terrible idea.

Go take a look at how much a MRI costs. No actual treatment, just a diagnostic picture.

"Set aside" money for a MRI, a biopsy, and some surgery? Seriously?

And doctors aren't getting ripped off.

Are we talking about a full body MRI here or just a area scan? There are private clinics around the Bay Area that only charge $400-500 per MRI.
 

nickqt

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Are we talking about a full body MRI here or just a area scan? There are private clinics around the Bay Area that only charge $400-500 per MRI.

That's just a MRI.

And if you actually need something done? Some meds pre and post op?

Would you like anesthesia with your surgery, or would you rather not go bankrupt is an awful question to have to answer. But that's just me.

The entire point of insurance is that a group of people all pay in, and then the sick people pull money out to cover the expenses that will almost assuredly be more than they have put in thus far.

The best possible insurance policy would include every single person, because that insurance policy would both have enough cash to cover expenses, and because of the purchasing power of that insurance policy, would be able to make the healthcare providers compete for its business.

This would make healthcare costs cheaper than if each individual is paying for insurance individually, or if there are hundreds of thousands of insurance policies.

Because that one policy would be the policy, healthcare providers would have to charge an amount of money that covers expenses and allows for profit, while being constrained because if they can't do it for that cheap, someone else can. And of course, that health insurance policy can still vote with its feet and shun healthcare providers who are cheap but do not provide optimum healthcare outcomes.

Of course, this would require every Amurican to become a slave eleventy billion times worse than they are a slave now under Obamacare. So, let's just not do that, because we need healthcare costs to continue to rise faster than every other civilized western country. Because freedom.
 

Jhhnn

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No, this particular problem won't be a "Financial Armageddon". All-in-all a lot of people are going to suffer some additional costs. You have the penalty, and then you're going to see increased costs in tax return preparation. In the aggregate is will be fairly substantial (up to hundreds of millions). The total costs depends upon how many will be required to file additional forms, how many of those will use a tax preparer firm and what the preparers will charge.

Eg: H&R Bloch itself could charge as much as $104 million for the new form(s) related to Obamacare. http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/01/07/us-h-r-block-healthcare-estimates-idINKBN0KG27T20150107

Yes, this will be a "tax management nightmare" for the IRS.

Fern

The alternate headline could have been "H&R Block CEO fluffs stock price".

"Could see as much as" being obvious fluff-speak. He could see as much as $1M playing scratch lotto, too.
 

uclaLabrat

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I don't understand the hate, I did my taxes this weekend using turbotax, I had my 1099g after I logged on to covered California, plugged in the numbers and I was done. Took an hour for the whole thing. My income increased substantially this year so I had to pay back about $3K, but whatever. Overall I have a net $500 refund. If HR block is overcharging for that, sucks to be them.
 

Fern

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The alternate headline could have been "H&R Block CEO fluffs stock price".

"Could see as much as" being obvious fluff-speak. He could see as much as $1M playing scratch lotto, too.

No, the alternate headline could not have been "H&R Block CEO fluffs stock price". You'd know that if you actually read the article. The amount I quoted was from a security analyst working for a firm named Wedbush Securities. They're a pretty large firm that's been around a long time and are HQ'd in L.A.

If you'd bother to look into the matter you'd see similar info from all types of sources that are entirely unrelated to H&R Bloch.

Fern
 

Fern

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I don't understand the hate, I did my taxes this weekend using turbotax, I had my 1099g after I logged on to covered California, plugged in the numbers and I was done. Took an hour for the whole thing. My income increased substantially this year so I had to pay back about $3K, but whatever. Overall I have a net $500 refund. If HR block is overcharging for that, sucks to be them.

Here's the instructions for one of the forms: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/i8962--2014.pdf

If you can read through all that, grasp it etc super quickly- kudo's to you.

Unless they've changed H&R Block charges a set fee per form. For some people the form may simpler than for others. For some it will be complex. H&R Bloch has to average it all together to come up with their set fee. There aren't 15 pages of instructions for nothing. For some people it will take a substantial amount of time to complete the form correctly.

Fern
 

OverVolt

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Here's the instructions for one of the forms: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/i8962--2014.pdf

If you can read through all that, grasp it etc super quickly- kudo's to you.

Unless they've changed H&R Block charges a set fee per form. For some people the form may simpler than for others. For some it will be complex. H&R Bloch has to average it all together to come up with their set fee. There aren't 15 pages of instructions for nothing. For some people it will take a substantial amount of time to complete the form correctly.

Fern

Thanks for the link and $%^&ing lol at the complexity of it.
 

nickqt

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Thanks for the link and $%^&ing lol at the complexity of it.

The IRS makes sure that their instruction forms are thorough. You could find an attorney who could read through that one time and condense it down to a page or two, but attorneys can also cost hundreds of dollars an hour.

So, for your economic convenience, here is a form that tells you exactly what the regulation states, and directs you to other regulations that may be helpful in understanding this regulation.
 

piasabird

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So I just read on another website that the fed government is not going to make people pay the penalty right away. You will still be on the hook for overpayment of subsidies if you were one of those fools that believed you could just lie about your income. This is the white house changing the rules midstream again to try to keep us from seeing this ACA law for what it truly is. It is one giant disaster that was written by an idiot with no thought of how it could possible be managed. Good luck to you.

So the bottom line is go ahead and send your taxes in. Otherwise they will just take forever to correct your mistake and charge all kind of penalties and interest for nonpayment of taxes. If you cant pay don't worry about it. Maybe the idiots that run the government will figure out a better plan.

On the other hand ask for an exemption.

I can see it now the IRS has to send out Millions of notices for nonpayment of the penalties. Add that to the deficit.
 
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