Whitehouse ACA Tax Crisis

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fskimospy

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Its not working. Part of the ACA was increased use of technology in hospitals. I think I've raked in like 10 hours of OT a week because none of the machines work as promised and they always break, the budget at everyplace that bought these machines is strained because of it. Not only did they spend millions on the machines but they typically doubled the workload as well. So either bite the bullet and hire more staff or get stuck with paying OT. Much like everything else in the law it doesn't do what was promised. Lol.

1. Millions of formerly uninsured Americans have insurance now.

2. They overall report similar levels satisfaction with it as compared to other insured people. (despite you claiming they wont)

3. Health care inflation has been extremely low during this period.

So we have lots more people with insurance who like it and we're doing so at low cost levels. I can't think of a better definition of success.
 

fskimospy

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So far me and highland145 on this page of this thread alone.

I remember when you tried to BS about your plan before and I found a much cheaper one in about 15 seconds. Highland145 appears to have done the same thing. You can spend 10 seconds on healthcare.gov and find plans for a fraction of the cost he claims. While I don't know all of his circumstances, he's claiming premiums and deductibles that are much higher than they would be for a 60 year old smoker. This is unlikely, just as yours was.
 

fskimospy

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I'm probably counted as a success story but I was only uninsured because my plan was canceled. All they report is the number of people who signed up on the exchange. Not those who actually paid their premiums for the year, accurately guessed their income, or got health insurance for the first time etc. The individual market was already 4 million strong or so, and 7 million "signed up". I'm sure several of the new people to the market are people who simply lost their benefits at their part time job, stuff like that. Yea if thats what you call a great success then I see why we have a disagreement.

This is incorrect. Right wing media was claiming this for a long time, but they were (deliberately?) misinformed.

Here's the easiest way to look at it:
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Now that's what I call great success.

Of course its rated highly because 4/5 people got subsidies. I'm thinking many people were tempted to under-report their income and this is the first year the IRS is going to actually bend them over. We'll know by April what the satisfaction numbers really are. Its easy to be satisfied if you thought you were getting something for free.

So now you're complaining it's too cheap? Before you were complaining it was too expensive.

I'm willing to bet that by April we have a modest number of cases where people end up with a significant tax liability, but it will be a tiny tiny fraction of the whole. That's to be expected, and such is life.
 

fskimospy

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No, that plan sucked. It had 30% coinsurance AFTER deductible for doctors visits with ZERO prescription coverage, OR it was the kaiser plan, and there are no kaiser providers in the area. There were catastrophic plans pre-ACA that were 80/20 that were better than that shit for $80/mo instead of $200/mo.

Of course there were cheaper catastrophic plans for young people before, because they could exclude people with pre-existing conditions.

I mean that's the whole point? When insurers could make sure they only had to insure healthy people and the sick people got screwed, they could offer lower rates to healthy people. That works out great until you one day aren't healthy any more.

You basically had to buy the most expensive silver BCBS plan to get copays AND the reduction in max out of pocket subsidy. Which was $4350 for me. Should I ever get sick, I'm hitting the max out of pocket in a jiffy, as designed.

In terms of disposable income, its way less. You are so wrong on this its not even funny. You just can't read an insurance policy. So thats problem number #1 on why you are clueless about the "success" of obamacare. Because the policies suck for starters.

I can read an insurance plan just fine, thanks. You see as someone who almost died of cancer about 6 years ago I'm acutely aware of what's in my insurance plans and how they work.

Funny, the people who have the plans don't seem to think they suck and of course after having them for a year plenty of people have used them. It's funny that you keep going back and forth between saying that they suck and don't cover anything so people will hate them, but then saying people don't hate them because they aren't costing them that much. You kind of have to pick one.

And no, you can't complain about how some are subsidized. That's literally one of the whole points of the law.
 

fskimospy

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Oh yea they are "covered" if by covered you mean paying out of pocket for most of their healthcare needs AND paying premiums, or else they get fined.

Its probably the fine doing most of the work, as oppose to demand for such amazing access to insurance policies that cover almost nothing. There ARE going to be alot of people who under-reported their income trying to get away with claiming a larger subsidy than they were entitled to.

I had dental as part of that $150. Dental would be an extra $29 on top of the $210 I'm currently paying. Couldn't afford it. Doing without. Great success. Guess my access to dental care was rationed. I never needed it anyway I haven't had cavities in years. I'll just pay out of pocket for cleanings. Thanks obama. The only thing young people used the most, like dental and vision are not part of the ACA plans.

Dental insurance is a terrible idea for most people. I've never met a dentist who recommended paying for it. For someone who claims to know so much about health insurance you should know that it's a ripoff.
 

highland145

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Can you link to this plan? Your numbers seem highly unlikely.

I did a very quick search for South Carolina plans and found ones with much smaller deductibles for a fraction of the price.
Pulled that from my United health account. Not sure how to find the plan but that gives you the #s.

When our old plan kicked us towards the end of 2012 (or was that 2013?), I couldn't find an agent to even take an application. Said they didn't know what to write or how the ACA was going to affect what they did write. Finally Golden Rule was the only one that would.

Anyway, I think it's time to look at it again.
 
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fskimospy

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Pulled that from my United health account. Not sure how to find the plan but that gives you the #s.

When our old plan kicked us towards the end of 2012 (or was that 2013?), I couldn't find an agent to even take an application. Said they didn't know what to write or how the ACA was going to affect what they did write. Finally Golden Rule was the only one that would.

Anyway, I think it's time to look at it again.

Sounds like you're getting ripped off. I went and looked on the federal marketplace for South Carolina and found tons of plans for a small fraction of what you're paying with way lower deductibles.
 

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Pulled that from my United health account. Not sure how to find the plan but that gives you the #s.

When our old plan kicked us towards the end of 2012 (or was that 2013?), I couldn't find an agent to even take an application. Said they didn't know what to write or how the ACA was going to affect what they did write. Finally Golden Rule was the only one that would.

Anyway, I think it's time to look at it again.

Don't do it, he has some kind of mental/on some kind of drug issue that changes his behavior IMO, its a waste of time. Don't post your personal info on a forum. It just is what it is. It is impossible for eski to concede on even the smallest point. It'd be alot easier to ignore him if he would stop calling me out and repeating what he saw on CNN.

I think I stick around this forum hoping for an Eski vs A420 epic psych drug fueled showdown one day.

You don't have anything to prove to eski. Its just the effect he has on people because he is so dense. There is no way someone can be that dense without the help of some kind of drug :awe:. I didn't doubt what you initially posted about your plan did I? Nope. Neither does any rationally sane person.
 
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bshole

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Highland,

You posted your medical ID number on a public forum. Are you insane or just retarded?! Delete that info right fucking now you idiot.
 

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Highland,

You posted your medical ID number on a public forum. Are you insane or just retarded?! Delete that info right fucking now you idiot.

Yea I didn't quote it for his sake. He can remove it. Eski would quote it without even thinking about it though. Better hurry. I don't think anyone can really do anything with it, but its the internet so yeah.
 

fskimospy

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Don't do it, he has some kind of mental/on some kind of drug issue that changes his behavior IMO, its a waste of time. Don't post your personal info on a forum. It just is what it is. It is impossible for eski to concede on even the smallest point. It'd be alot easier to ignore him if he would stop calling me out and repeating what he saw on CNN.

I think I stick around this forum hoping for an Eski vs A420 epic psych drug fueled showdown one day.

It simply comes down to the fact that I can, today, find much cheaper prices for the plan he claims in about 30 seconds.

It's also odd that you, after repeatedly trying to come up with after the fact rationalizations of why the ACA isn't working even in the face of evidence, is complaining about someone else not conceding the smallest point. Might want to check the beam in your eye there, brotha.
 

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It simply comes down to the fact that I can, today, find much cheaper prices for the plan he claims in about 30 seconds.

It's also odd that you, after repeatedly trying to come up with after the fact rationalizations of why the ACA isn't working even in the face of evidence, is complaining about someone else not conceding the smallest point. Might want to check the beam in your eye there, brotha.

I know your type, fire with fire :)

Oddly enough I always end up conceding because it is literally impossible for you to change your mind. Thats how you know which is the one on drugs and which one isn't :awe:. Well $600-some was taken out of his account last month. Thanks ACA. Shopping on the exchanges was a disaster but since it wasn't a CNN article its like you don't know what to think.
 
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fskimospy

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I know your type, fire with fire :)

Oddly enough I always end up conceding because it is literally impossible for you to change your mind. Thats how you know which is the one on drugs and which one isn't :awe:. Well $600-some was taken out of his account last month. Thanks ACA. Shopping on the exchanges was a disaster but since it wasn't a CNN article its like you don't know what to think.

From his post it sounds like he explicitly didn't get his plan off the exchange. That makes sense considering the fact that the ones on there are literally a third the price of what he is quoting. Seems like he would likely be well served by getting one from there, no?

I've admitted I was wrong many times. I just tend not to do it in reference to emotional and anecdotal arguments like yours, because they aren't based in reason.
 

highland145

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My id is 3 more digits so I wasn't seeing a problem but I deleted it anyway.

Sounds like you're getting ripped off. I went and looked on the federal marketplace for South Carolina and found tons of plans for a small fraction of what you're paying with way lower deductibles.
Called my agent. Looks like I can have a government vehicle "consumers choice" or "B/C essentials", both EPOs that don't pay jack. Or go private with Assurant (PPO) or Aetna for $1182/mo bronze plan. Over $79K/yr means no subsity for any plan.
 

OverVolt

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My id is 3 more digits so I wasn't seeing a problem but I deleted it anyway.

Called my agent. Looks like I can have a government vehicle "consumers choice" or "B/C essentials", both EPOs that don't pay jack. Or go private with Assurant (PPO) or Aetna for $1182/mo bronze plan. Over $79K/yr means no subsity for any plan.

No UR WONG.

Its like arguing with a well spoken A420. Just let it go lol.
 
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fskimospy

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My id is 3 more digits so I wasn't seeing a problem but I deleted it anyway.

Called my agent. Looks like I can have a government vehicle "consumers choice" or "B/C essentials", both EPOs that don't pay jack. Or go private with Assurant (PPO) or Aetna for $1182/mo bronze plan. Over $79K/yr means no subsity for any plan.

In all seriousness, you might want to check out the exchange and look for yourself. I don't know your details, but it sounds like you might save a lot of money.
 

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Dental insurance is a terrible idea for most people. I've never met a dentist who recommended paying for it. For someone who claims to know so much about health insurance you should know that it's a ripoff.

:eek:

i pay 17 a month for my delta dental insurance. its cheap and id rather pay 500 bucks for a root canal and crown compared to 1300, not to mention the annual checkups for 5 people which is about $120 each if i did not have insurance. its a good deal and not a rip off.
 
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:eek:

i pay 17 a month for my delta dental insurance. its cheap and id rather pay 500 bucks for a root canal and crown compared to 1300, not to mention the annual checkups for 5 people which is about $120 each if i did not have insurance. its a good deal and not a rip off.

Ur wrong he's right, there saved you the trouble.

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