White poet gets his rejected poem published under Chinese name

[IronWing]

Now if you'd said "liberals can be racist", you'd be perfectly right. Liberals are not immune from racist tendencies. However liberals tend to not support racist behavior when it's revealed in their fold. Conservatives on the other hand ARE racist, there's no can be. It is a requirement to be a conservative in the US that you have to be racist. It's always been that way. And unlike liberals, when conservatives see another conservative be blatantly racist, they support and defend him.

<sigh>

 

[piasabird]

Many people, including Benjamin Franklin have chosen to use a pen name.

What about the possibility that they told their staff to try to find some non-white or minority or diversity rich submissions. They could have used reverse racism and simply rejected his submission because he was white. I do not think you would say the same thing if he was black???

 

[Sulaco]

Now if you'd said "liberals can be racist", you'd be perfectly right. Liberals are not immune from racist tendencies. However liberals tend to not support racist behavior when it's revealed in their fold. Conservatives on the other hand ARE racist, there's no can be. It is a requirement to be a conservative in the US that you have to be racist. It's always been that way. And unlike liberals, when conservatives see another conservative be blatantly racist, they support and defend him.

Oy.

There's stupid. And then there's "thraashman stupid".

Just...stop.

 

[1prophet]

Maybe he should try writing some Haiku under his real name.:hmm:

 

[1prophet]

Now if you'd said "liberals can be racist", you'd be perfectly right. Liberals are not immune from racist tendencies. However liberals tend to not support racist behavior when it's revealed in their fold. Conservatives on the other hand ARE racist, there's no can be. It is a requirement to be a conservative in the US that you have to be racist. It's always been that way. And unlike liberals, when conservatives see another conservative be blatantly racist, they support and defend him.

That is utter bullshit, plenty of rich white racist liberals out there, Hollywood is one example and Northern California is full of them, they just aren't dumb enough to wear it on their sleeve like conservatives that's why it looks like there are fewer of them.

 

[Zstream]

That is utter bullshit, plenty of rich white racist liberals out there, Hollywood is one example and Northern California is full of them, they just aren't dumb enough to wear it on their sleeve like conservatives that's why it looks like there are fewer of them.

Pretty much this.

 

[thraashman]

Oy.

There's stupid. And then there's "thraashman stupid".

Just...stop.

If conservatives would stop constantly making bigoted remarks and coming up with bigoted legislation, then my statement wouldn't be necessary. But throughout American history it's been the conservative mindset that has driven racism and other bigotry. That's a simple, provable fact. And quite frankly if you claim to not be a racist, but would support the racist actions of another, you're a fucking racist.

That is utter bullshit, plenty of rich white racist liberals out there, Hollywood is one example and Northern California is full of them, they just aren't dumb enough to wear it on their sleeve like conservatives that's why it looks like there are fewer of them.

I even said liberals aren't immune from racism. However, liberals shun racists that appear in their fold, conservatives celebrate them. That's an undeniable fact. And that's why there's so many fewer liberal racists, because the community will not stand for it.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Now if you'd said "liberals can be racist", you'd be perfectly right. Liberals are not immune from racist tendencies. However liberals tend to not support racist behavior when it's revealed in their fold. Conservatives on the other hand ARE racist, there's no can be. It is a requirement to be a conservative in the US that you have to be racist. It's always been that way. And unlike liberals, when conservatives see another conservative be blatantly racist, they support and defend him.

That has got to be one of the most stupid, ignorant comments I've seen from you. But libs are good at vilifying anyone that has the temerity to disagree with them. For all that libs scoff every time someone accuses them of following Saul Alinsky's playbook, you libs do a great job of doing the very thing you claim to deny.

So go ahead and do what you do best.

 

[shira]

That has got to be one of the most stupid, ignorant comments I've seen from you. But libs are good at vilifying anyone that has the temerity to disagree with them. For all that libs scoff every time someone accuses them of following Saul Alinsky's playbook, you libs do a great job of doing the very thing you claim to deny.

So go ahead and do what you do best.

Oh, the irony.

FerrelGeek decries a specific person - thraashman - for making negative generalizations about conservatives. And then in the next sentence he makes negative generalizations about liberals.

 

[unokitty]

Oh, the irony.

FerrelGeek decries a specific person - thraashman - for making negative generalizations about conservatives. And then in the next sentence he makes negative generalizations about liberals.

Hmmmmmmmm.....

 

[Hugo Drax]

There does seem to be this weird White guilt amongst the college educated white anglo americans.

You do not see that in any other group.

 

[shira]

In what way are those four rules remotely the sole or even main province of the Left? I can think of plenty of contemporary examples (Climate Change denial; the anti-abortion movement; efforts to kill Obamacare; the anti-immigration movement; budget brinksmanship) where the Right is using many or all of the tactics you've listed.

In fact, I think those "Rules" are followed much, much more by the Right these days than by the Left.

 

[unokitty]

In what way are those four rules remotely the sole or even main province of the Left?.. .

To which part of "Hmmmmmmmm....." are you responding?

Uno

 

[shira]

To which part of "Hmmmmmmmm....." are you responding?

Uno

What part of the definition of "Strawman" do you not understand?

Edit: Literally, you don't seem to understand what a straw man argument is.

 

[bshole]

michal1980 is a twit.

News at 11.

roflmao!

 

[unokitty]

What part of the definition of "Strawman" do you not understand?

Edit: Literally, you don't seem to understand what a straw man argument is.

LOL

You did that on purpose didn't you?

Uno

 

[bradly1101]

We should get our names replaced by numbers since that's what most of us are anyways to the government and to corporations looking to make a profit.

"Who is number one?"
"You are number six."

 

[nageov3t]

Could it possibly be that the poem being resubmitted to one of the 40 publications that denied it got it reviewed, and then approved, by a different reviewer and had nothing to do with the name of the author?

I mean, obviously, that would be too logical of an explanation, so it has to be racism. But, come on.

the publisher himself said that the only reason the poem stood out to him was because of the (presumed) Chinese origin of the writer contrasting with the Western imagery in the poem.

 

[stlc8tr]

snip*

Read that it was rejected by 40 different journals then accepted with a different name. holy...

IMHO, he should have milked the name for money. Make millions then come out.

Even with the fake name, it was rejected another eight times. Perhaps it was sheer luck that it was accepted.

Someone should do a more rigorous test with fake poems from a bunch of people (black writer using a "white name", Asian writer using a "black name", etc.) to see if there is a systemic bias.

 

[shira]

LOL

You did that on purpose didn't you?

Uno

LULZ

 

[werepossum]

I believe the highest artistic rewards should be based mostly or solely on merit. Here's the story of a white guy who - when he couldn't get his poem published under his real name - Michael Derrick Hudson, tried submitting it under a Chinese-sounding name - Yi-Fen Chou. And it was selected for a "best of year" anthology. The author revealed his true ethnicity (or lack of ethnicity) prior to the anthology's publication (the poem was nevertheless included). But some members of the poetry world view Hudson's actions as fraudulent.

This story is pretty much like affirmative action for the arts. I'm a liberal, and I get the point being made by the naysayers. Fine (I say), give under-represented artists "access" - to literary programs at universities, to literary publications, even to jobs in the field. But when it comes time to choose "the best of the best," I've reached my limit. So I'm very, very UN-sympathetic to the arguments being made here that Hudson's behavior was in any substantial way fraudulent.

Well said, and it beats my plan to recommend that the world's smallest violin play for both sides.

Besides, everything I need from poetry I can get from Brian Manahan. Screw a bunch of SJWs' "best of the year".

 

[werepossum]

There does seem to be this weird White guilt amongst the college educated white anglo americans.

You do not see that in any other group.

Yeah . . . I hear that bringing people to a strange land as slaves goes a long way toward fixing that sort of guilt.

Even with the fake name, it was rejected another eight times. Perhaps it was sheer luck that it was accepted.

Someone should do a more rigorous test with fake poems from a bunch of people (black writer using a "white name", Asian writer using a "black name", etc.) to see if there is a systemic bias.

Absolutely, because systemic bias in poetry is totally a serious societal problem. Really.

I'm one of those people who considers Maya Angelou's poetry to be as bad as Ayn Rand's prose and I literally could not care less if a bunch of whiny white people are at a disadvantage in the cutthroat world of professional poetry. Perhaps it's time they abandon poetry as an official Social Justice handout program and get real jobs doing something useful.

 

[Enigmoid]

"Who is number one?"
"You are number six."

"Whose side are you on?"

 

[IronWing]

"Whose side are you on?"

That would be telling.

 

[IronWing]

Absolutely, because systemic bias in poetry is totally a serious societal problem. Really.

I'm one of those people who considers Maya Angelou's poetry to be as bad as Ayn Rand's prose and I literally could not care less if a bunch of whiny white people are at a disadvantage in the cutthroat world of professional poetry. Perhaps it's time they abandon poetry as an official Social Justice handout program and get real jobs doing something useful.

Maya Angelou's poetry ain't terrible. Maya Angelou reading Maya Angelou's poetry is excruciating.