White house ready to drop public option.

[boomerang]

Originally posted by: sportage

Me too. I wanted the public option...

It doesn't matter to me. I got pretty good health insurance I guess... I was just hoping we could cover the rest in a more efficient manner.

And at what point will it matter?
When your company insurance either triples your premiums,
co pays, so that you can not afford care, or when you find yourself
unemployed with no healthcare?

"It doesn?t matter" is not only the wrong attitude, but ones famous last words.

Everyone's... "EVERYONE'S" premiums, co pays and out of pocket is about to
increase to amounts never imagined, if reform fails.
A lot of people with a good job, good company healthcare, will be forced to drop
coverage in order to afford gas, food, and the mortgage. Its coming!

The insurance companies have and are spending huge amounts to buy congress,
buy propaganda, mislead American's.
Do you really believe they will not soon seek to recover their expenses?
And guess who it is that will refresh the CIGNA money pot?
Look in the mirror... Its you.

And republicans thought death panels were to fear.
After CIGNA screws with your company healthcare costs, you'll
wish you had an appointment with that death panel.
And should you or yours become ill, really ill and need your healthcare,
you will experience CIGNA's death panel first hand.
NO ONE does a death panel better than our "healthcare for profit" insurance companies.
And those opponents who ranted at the town meetings will ask.. "was this the alternative?".
Silly silly people.
Banks raise fee's to recoop losses. Credit cards raise rates to recoop losses.
And healthcare for profit insurance companies??? Guess what they do... You'll find out.

Take some Xanax and chill.

Chew on this one for a while; you're going to pay for your health care coverage no matter what plan you're on. Public, private or government. Look at the tax rates in Canada and the UK. That's your future here in the U.S.

Somebody's got to pay.

Which is at the heart of the entire argument. The administrations numbers don't add up. As soon as they can convince the majority of taxpayers in this country that it can be done at "x" price, it will happen. Now mind you, it will all be a lie, but we're used to that. We old folks won't have to worry about the cost, because you youngsters are going to foot the bill - as always.

Taxing the rich is not going to cover it. The greatest percentage of people in this country pay no federal tax at all, so that leaves all of you in the middle to cover it.

Works out perfect for me.

As was said earlier, the top priority right now should be turning this economy around and putting people back to work. When the needs of the many outweigh the assets of the few, the whole system will collapse.

It?s only common sense.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

When the Democrats themselves could pass any version of the current proposals without a single Republican vote, why do they continue to blame the Republicans for their own failure to unite and accomplish that task?

Personal responsibility FTW.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: OCguy
http://thehill.com/leading-the...option-2009-08-16.html

President Barack Obama himself on Saturday suggested he won?t insist on a public option.
'The public option, whether we have it or we don?t have it, is not the entirety of healthcare reform," ...



It must really anger some of the more liberal posters here that not even the most liberal president we have had in a long time sees the heathcare issue as they do.

Well Obama has said in the past that he thinks a single payer option is most certainly the best form of health care delivery (as is so obviously shown by all available data), but to shift the US to that immediately would be too big a change. I disagree with his stance, but it's certainly reasonable.

change we can think about maybe believing in someday?

 

[TheSkinsFan]

nvm

 

[brencat]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: SammyJr
Just sent another round of emails to my Senators, Obama, and the DNC advising them that if they don't pass a public option, then I'm staying home for the next few elections. If they can't even attempt an incremental reform, fuck them.

liberals hate profits and people more successful than they are. I for one is happy to see a compromise being made instead of a health plan made by liberals who don't know how the real world really works.

It just looks that way to you because you fear losing something to people you think are inferior. You just despise the part of yourself that was beaten to death in childhood because you cared.

Not inferior as human beings, but perhaps inferior in intelligence and drive to succeed. Sorry Moony, but I didn't graduate with honors, bust my ass 60+ hrs per week, and go the extra mile my first 10 yrs on Wall St to make a lousy $50k per year. So my apologies if I don't want to be forced to share through higher taxation with those not willing to run as fast as they can in their own lane.

Back on topic: Great news on the near death of the public option :thumbsup: Hopefully this is a wake up call to both parties that they had better start governing closer to the center because the wackos on both sides are responsible for the extreme polarization of the electorate today.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: OCguy
http://thehill.com/leading-the...option-2009-08-16.html

President Barack Obama himself on Saturday suggested he won?t insist on a public option.
'The public option, whether we have it or we don?t have it, is not the entirety of healthcare reform," ...



It must really anger some of the more liberal posters here that not even the most liberal president we have had in a long time sees the heathcare issue as they do.

hahaha give one single instance of Obama taking a very liberal stance on ANYTHING.

If you are any indication of the typical "liberal stance," THANK GOD he hasn't.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: SammyJr

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: SammyJr
Just sent another round of emails to my Senators, Obama, and the DNC advising them that if they don't pass a public option, then I'm staying home for the next few elections. If they can't even attempt an incremental reform, fuck them.

liberals hate profits and people more successful than they are. I for one is happy to see a compromise being made instead of a health plan made by liberals who don't know how the real world really works.

That's fucking stupid. I hate the idea of people going bankrupt from health care costs. I hate the idea of people being denied care for getting sick. I hate the idea of American business being burdened by health care costs. The American idea of access to health care is a sick joke at best and its an albatross on our economy.

And we know how the real world works. See Western Europe. See Canada. See Japan. See Australia. All of these systems work better than ours. They're not perfect, but they cover everyone.

QFTruth. Sad that the greatest country in the world cannot even offer a public option but lesser countries can do it successfully. Apparently the only way to get it is to be a "veteran" of our country.

 

[exar333]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Sadly, I don't think that the "public option" really stood a chance of passing. There are just way too many people running the health insurance and drug industries with deep pockets who wanted it to fail, and they bought just enough moderate votes and negative PR to make it happen. :|

I'm curious what the new "co-op" alternative is going to be, though... At a minimum, I hope that it outlaws denying claims for pre-existing conditions, considering that both Republicans and Democrats were promising that reform during the 2008 campaign.

You do understand that rates will just go up for everyone, right? Health insurance is for profit, and they will need to re-coup these additional claims somehow.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Obama is trying to pin this on republican again. Democrat has control of both house and the senate. And the last I know, even if all Republican are against this, democrat have enough vote to push through any new bill.

Not with the hick dog "democrats" which aren't really democrats.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: SammyJr
Just sent another round of emails to my Senators, Obama, and the DNC advising them that if they don't pass a public option, then I'm staying home for the next few elections. If they can't even attempt an incremental reform, fuck them.

liberals hate profits and people more successful than they are. I for one is happy to see a compromise being made instead of a health plan made by liberals who don't know how the real world really works.

The real world means we should be profiting off of killing people. We should also remove public education to show how the real world works. We should make it so employees could get injured on the job, followed by being fired for being unavailable to work. That will show them the real world. Let's reinstate slavery so we could show what the real world is about.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: blackangst1
:thumsup:

Now lets see how the libs blame the GOP for this

Oh, you could start with a fearmongering campaign full of lies. "Pull the plug on Granndma" ring a bell?

This is what keeps pushing me away from the Republican Party. It's not just that the leadership is a bunch of lying and destructive slime balls -- both parties have that. It's that the party rank and file seem to celebrate the sliminess instead of being ashamed of it. You're proud of the way you drag America down.

lol, one must be willingly blind to ignore the same thing from the D / lib party.

Are you seriously suggesting that the democrats lob the same amount of slime as the republicans?

The fuck they dont lol

blinders.txt

I guess he's forgotten the lies about how the GOP is going to take old people's SS (theyve gotten alot of mileage on that)...or how Bush stole the election from Gore in the courts...when in fact it was GORE who requested a recount in the courts (lol) it goes on and on. I was an active Democrat for 20+ years before I woke the fuck up and realized they are the most hateful slanderous party in America. Next to the KKK that is.

Umm, Bush got elected through the Supreme Court. This is a fact.

If Bush's SS plan went into place, people would have been crushed in the last year. Fact.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Genx87
btw I love how it is framed at bowing to Republican pressure when it was a top democrat (Kent Conrad) who said the public option was doa and never had a chance from the beginning.

I think its funny how much credit the GOP is getting int his. They are nothing now. They have zero power, zero influence. The fact that they cant admit to their their own failures is laughable. Thats like going to gym class and blaming the kid in the wheelchair for your failure on the basketball court.

Dems have control. All of it. If GOP marketing is better than theirs, well, then thats their failure and no one elses. As Ive said before...the failure of this bill is due to bad PR, and no one's fault but the Dems. Theyre gimp.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Genx87
btw I love how it is framed at bowing to Republican pressure when it was a top democrat (Kent Conrad) who said the public option was doa and never had a chance from the beginning.

Not Republican pressure, Republican fear mongering. Big difference. The pressure is coming from an inflamed public reacting irrationally to a propaganda campaign about "pulling the plug on Grandma" and similar lies and disinformation. It's the same tactic by the same slime machine that panicked Americans into invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

Funny...thats not the overwhelming theme in the town hall meetings.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Genx87
btw I love how it is framed at bowing to Republican pressure when it was a top democrat (Kent Conrad) who said the public option was doa and never had a chance from the beginning.

Not Republican pressure, Republican fear mongering. Big difference. The pressure is coming from an inflamed public reacting irrationally to a propaganda campaign about "pulling the plug on Grandma" and similar lies and disinformation. It's the same tactic by the same slime machine that panicked Americans into invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

Right from the first line of the story

WASHINGTON ? Bowing to Republican pressure

Blue Dog democrats were the main obstacle here. They wont pass reform that cant be paid for and will only add to the deficit. Democrats can crush a filibuster by Republicans. But they cant because enough in their party will get in the way.

Its because they have no fucking backbone. THEY dont even believe the shit theyre selling.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Maybe one day people will ask questions like:
Being without healthcare is potentially devastating. What can practically be done to mitigate losing a job and moving to another?

One of the biggest things i hate about the current system is people are tied to jobs they don't like or want because they need health care.

Just stop with your lies. Stop it. You are FREE to get your own health insurance and NOBODY will be denied treatment if they need it.

Stop the disinformation and lies. This thread is also reported to flag@whitehouse.gov.

How many times do I have to debunk this stupid lie of yours, spidey? :roll:

If I get my own health insurance, will the cost of it be tax free to me as it would be from an employer? NO.
If I get my own health insurance, will my employer be able to contribute to its cost, tax free to them, as it is if I get their health insurance? NO.

Basically, this country already has socialized healthcare... IF you get it from your employer or are elderly and on medicare. And as you wholeheartedly support and defend that system, that makes you a socialist in my book. Except you're the kind of socialist who likes socialism only when the feeding frenzy at the public trough is open to you but closed to others. Or IOW, fascism.

Sounds like a need for health insurance reform instead of the partisan dumbass let's sing the russian anthem while having the government pay for everything garbage that was trying to be forcibly fed to us.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

If there isn't going to be a public option, then he might as well just pull it all off the table. It's pretty sad that he's going to allow a small group of town hall morons to prevent Americans from moving forward. Perhaps the insurance and pharmaceutical companies threatened the Democrats with the loss of campaign financing. It must be frustrating to be the first president in decades with half-a-brain.

In the meantime, tens of millions of Americans will continue to remain uninsured or under-insured, most of the populace will continue to live in terror of losing their jobs and health insurance, insurance company death panels will still rescind people's coverage when they get sick, and we'll continue to spend a much larger percentage of our GDP on health care than any other first world industrialized nation.

Perhaps someone will try to change this medical-industrial complex again ten or twenty years from now after the U.S. has become a third world country and when more than half the populace can't afford health insurance.

 

[shadow9d9]

Funny how it went from "let's slow it down, they were rushing it" to "We win!!!" on this forum.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Why can't people JUST admit the current plan on the table is a BAD one? IF the plan is so good and perfect, why are the democrat themselves fighting over it. Also, IF the plan is a good one, the democrat shouldn't have the worry about the reelection if they pass it.

According to some *cough* its because of the GOP spreading lies

/lmao

Palin's "death panels" were not bald-faced lies? Oh wait, they clearly were. So what are you saying here?

Then WHY! did the senate bill drop the death panel verbage?

Thats what so fucking funny.

One week: Democrats: We dont have death panels!
Next week: Democrats: We have dropped the death panels!

I swear, the intellectual conservative is an extinct animal at this point. You're fscking morons absolutely incapable of any form of independent thought.

As opposed to all the partisan morons that have steadily plastered straight from the DNC material on these forums for the last year or so.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Xellos2099
Obama is trying to pin this on republican again. Democrat has control of both house and the senate. And the last I know, even if all Republican are against this, democrat have enough vote to push through any new bill.

In the sense that Democrats can be blamed for not having 100% unity, that's true.

But in the sense that a small number of Democrats not supporting the policy make some Republican votes needed, then the Republican position becomes part of the credit or blame.

If those few Republican votes supporting the policy happen, those crossovers get the credit or blame.

And if the majority of Republicans - especially if there's basically unity - take a position for or against, they get the credit or blame for that, too.

Republicans don't get off the hook for their position just because a perfectly unified Democratic party could pass something - especially when a few of their votes are needed.

If a unified Republican party is opposing the public option, they are accountable for that position regardless of whether the Democrats have the numbers to pass it without them.

And when they are able to block the public option because of some 'blud dog Democrats', even the weak argument that their position is unimportant falls apart.

Sure, blame the minority of Democrats who vote against the piublic option - but blame more the Republicans who are about unanimously against it.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
If there isn't going to be a public option, then he might as well just pull it all off the table. It's pretty sad that he's going to allow a small group of town hall morons to prevent Americans from moving forward. Perhaps the insurance and pharmaceutical companies threatened the Democrats with the loss of campaign financing. It must be frustrating to be the first president in decades with half-a-brain.

In the meantime, tens of millions of Americans will continue to remain uninsured or under-insured, most of the populace will continue to live in terror of losing their jobs and health insurance, insurance company death panels will still rescind people's coverage when they get sick, and we'll continue to spend a much larger percentage of our GDP on health care than any other first world industrialized nation.

Perhaps someone will try to change this medical-industrial complex again ten or twenty years from now after the U.S. has become a third world country and when more than half the populace can't afford health insurance.

How many of these uninsured or underinsured (or people on this board for that matter) know about state risk pools? I can tell you from personal experience I have used them in two states, my diabetes was covered immediately, and I was able to pay for it from my unemployment.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

liberals hate profits and people more successful than they are. I for one is happy to see a compromise being made instead of a health plan made by liberals who don't know how the real world really works.

The voice of the deluded. But it explains how an idiot can justify his positions, when he's opposed to the people who 'hate profits'.

It's like a Democrat who justifies their opposition to Republicans not based on the facts, but because Republicans like watching people starve.

It's the voice of someone too idiotic to understand the difference between, say, limiting a corporation's right to profit *more by limitless pollution*, and 'hating profit'.

That's typical of the delusions on the right. Democrats like profits - limited and balanced with those profits not costing society too much in how they're made. No, you can't increase profits by cooking books, by using economic might to obtian a monopoly, by selling harmful products without any compensation ot victims, by lying to the consumer, by excessive pollution dumped on the taxpayer to clean up, and so on. Democrats love profit on business that's actually providing goods and services within the sort of limits above.

But you need look no further for the problem with the deluded than the quoted post alleging Democrats 'hate profit'. It explains the blind opposition to Democrats.

Who wouldn't oppose a party who 'hates profits'? But the price of such idiocy to believe that sort of lie is large, as the Wall Street unplugged behavior showed.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
If there isn't going to be a public option, then he might as well just pull it all off the table. It's pretty sad that he's going to allow a small group of town hall morons to prevent Americans from moving forward. Perhaps the insurance and pharmaceutical companies threatened the Democrats with the loss of campaign financing. It must be frustrating to be the first president in decades with half-a-brain.

In the meantime, tens of millions of Americans will continue to remain uninsured or under-insured, most of the populace will continue to live in terror of losing their jobs and health insurance, insurance company death panels will still rescind people's coverage when they get sick, and we'll continue to spend a much larger percentage of our GDP on health care than any other first world industrialized nation.

Perhaps someone will try to change this medical-industrial complex again ten or twenty years from now after the U.S. has become a third world country and when more than half the populace can't afford health insurance.

Talk about fear mongering.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
If there isn't going to be a public option, then he might as well just pull it all off the table. It's pretty sad that he's going to allow a small group of town hall morons to prevent Americans from moving forward. Perhaps the insurance and pharmaceutical companies threatened the Democrats with the loss of campaign financing. It must be frustrating to be the first president in decades with half-a-brain.

In the meantime, tens of millions of Americans will continue to remain uninsured or under-insured, most of the populace will continue to live in terror of losing their jobs and health insurance, insurance company death panels will still rescind people's coverage when they get sick, and we'll continue to spend a much larger percentage of our GDP on health care than any other first world industrialized nation.

Perhaps someone will try to change this medical-industrial complex again ten or twenty years from now after the U.S. has become a third world country and when more than half the populace can't afford health insurance.

Talk about fear mongering.

You mean reality?

Insurances ARE the problem here. Without another credible option, we are just getting new insurance companies at best.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: blackangst1

I guess he's forgotten the lies about how the GOP is going to take old people's SS (theyve gotten alot of mileage on that)...or how Bush stole the election from Gore in the courts...when in fact it was GORE who requested a recount in the courts (lol) it goes on and on. I was an active Democrat for 20+ years before I woke the fuck up and realized they are the most hateful slanderous party in America. Next to the KKK that is.

Umm, Bush got elected through the Supreme Court. This is a fact.

I take exception to this misinformation. The Supreme Court interpreted the Constitution accurately, in my opinion. I read the statutes, the court briefs filed by both sides, the cases those briefs cited, and numerous official and unofficial opinions. Bush, like it or not, was elected fairly, and in accordance with the law. Unless you know something I don't, or have read all the same material I have, and come to a different conclusion, quit spreading the FUD.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Dems have control. All of it. If GOP marketing is better than theirs, well, then thats their failure and no one elses. As Ive said before...the failure of this bill is due to bad PR, and no one's fault but the Dems. Theyre gimp.

This. All the lip biting and misty eyes if the bill doesn't pass won't matter and there is no credible way to pin this on the Republicans, Independents, Mickey Mouse, aliens, or the boogeyman of choice for the left. They will try, though, believe me.