Fingolfin269
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Any Dem not trying to break the filibuster via cloture would be exposed as basically voting with the Republicans. Perhaps the Dem leadership know this and realize it would potentially cost them seats down the road.
Fingolfin269
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blackangst1
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Ah yes. I forgot Democrats dont say stupid things. Stuff like "It's a new day. Communism is dead. It's even dead in Cuba. I hate to say it, it's dead." - Barbara Boxer...or
"I was embarrassed to wear it." - Senator Diane Feinstein on wearing an American flag pin....or how about "...even with people like Osama, who is very likely to be found guilty, we should do our best not to, in positions of executive power, not to prejudge jury trials," - Howard Dean to the Concord Monitor in December 2003.....
Theres no shortage.
CallMeJoe
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One of the biggest problems with "Obamacare" is that it isn't; the Obama administration learned the wrong lesson from the demise of "Hillarycare".
Rather than propose a framework then work with both Houses of Congress to shape it into something usable, this administration gave the Democratic Congressional "Leadership" a vague outline and essentially said "Put together something that can pass". They are now reaping an abomination of a "Plan" cobbled together from the porcine aspirations of 314 Representatives and Senators kowtowing to the AARP, AMA and Pharma. Abdicating control of Health Care legislation to the Congressional Democrats' alleged Leadership gives us a Health Reform and Savings plan that neither Reforms nor Saves.
Take this clusterfuck of a "Reform Plan" and have some of the few admirable aspects misrepresented and demonized by the Opposition and you have what we see before us now. Unfortunately, I don't think the Obama administration has the nerve to say "this isn't working" and reboot the whole process, and I'm certain the Congressional Democrats lack the will to unseat their "Leaders" and replace Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid with new blood that can actually accomplish something in those seats.
Rather than propose a framework then work with both Houses of Congress to shape it into something usable, this administration gave the Democratic Congressional "Leadership" a vague outline and essentially said "Put together something that can pass". They are now reaping an abomination of a "Plan" cobbled together from the porcine aspirations of 314 Representatives and Senators kowtowing to the AARP, AMA and Pharma. Abdicating control of Health Care legislation to the Congressional Democrats' alleged Leadership gives us a Health Reform and Savings plan that neither Reforms nor Saves.
Take this clusterfuck of a "Reform Plan" and have some of the few admirable aspects misrepresented and demonized by the Opposition and you have what we see before us now. Unfortunately, I don't think the Obama administration has the nerve to say "this isn't working" and reboot the whole process, and I'm certain the Congressional Democrats lack the will to unseat their "Leaders" and replace Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid with new blood that can actually accomplish something in those seats.
You are exactly right. The problem is Obama is not a real leader and has never been one. He did the same thing with porkulus and cap/tax. He let the idiots in congress screw things up. If Obama would of presented a bill with what he campaigned on it would of been passed by now. They should of focused on controlling costs and pre-existing conditions like he campaigned on. Instead he let the far left wing change it into a government take over of healthcare costing trillions.
JSt0rm
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So you are saying that if Obama sent a single payer uhc bill to congress it would of been passed by now? I would argue that the defeat would of been certain as these interests were not about to be pushed to the sidelines. This is just the beginning for the industry. If they won the no public option angle they will move on and try to stop all change of their industry. The longer things sit in limbo the longer they have to attack, lobby and misinform the public.
blackangst1
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And if its a worthwhile plan, the more time to educate the public. You know, in the name of transparency. If they have to rush it its because its flawed and they want to pull a fast one on the public.
It's been two months already and republicans have a solid hold on the narrative why would they want to let more lies seep in that they can't defend against
I dress up for the Ren-fest every year, does that make me a "hick"?! So much for liberal acceptance of those who might be different from you, eh?
Fucking bigots... you're all the same. :|
He campaigned on costs costs costs and pre-existing conditions. He did not say a peep about UHC during the campaign. Only this congress could screw it up this much. The average person cares about 2 things cost and pre-existing conditions. The average person does not want to spend a few trillion to cover 20 million people.
fallout man
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lol.. inferior, or not, that blonde viking wench on the far left of the photo makes me want to add this to my list of festivals.
On a more serious note, Craig's and Shadow's bigotry is simply despicable.
JSt0rm
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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
lol.. inferior, or not, that blonde viking wench on the far left of the photo makes me want to add this to my list of festivals.
On a more serious note, Craig's and Shadow's bigotry is simply despicable.
what I liked about this post was the use of the words wench and bigot together.
Bravo, number 13, bravo.
When used to describe women in trashy renaissance garb, or in this case viking garb, "wench" is a perfectly acceptable anachronistic term.Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
lol.. inferior, or not, that blonde viking wench on the far left of the photo makes me want to add this to my list of festivals.
On a more serious note, Craig's and Shadow's bigotry is simply despicable.
what I liked about this post was the use of the words wench and bigot together.
Bravo, number 13, bravo.
But, you knew that already, right?
I'm going to miss the Ren-fest this year, and all the beautiful wenches who serve me my ale there, so that photo and these posts are just making me homesick. damnit.
I remember him stating very often that he promised universal health care or a single payer system. Otherwise you're exactly right.
IndyColtsFan
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If Obama, Clinton, or any other Democrat were in the picture rather than Palin, Craig would probably be praising it as them "connecting with the common person." That is the kind of fickle, partisan buffoon he is.
GuitarDaddy
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Goverment owned or government controlled co-ops whats the difference? Not much!
As long as the rules and priciples stay the same I think its a great comprimise.
But you can bet the repub's will try and derail the underlying principles of the co-op's, so it's anybodys guess what the final house and senate bills will look like. If I where a betting man I would bet that the repubs in the senate will never agree to a comprise bill, and we will get something resembling the house bill passed with less that 60 votes in the senate.
As long as the rules and priciples stay the same I think its a great comprimise.
But you can bet the repub's will try and derail the underlying principles of the co-op's, so it's anybodys guess what the final house and senate bills will look like. If I where a betting man I would bet that the repubs in the senate will never agree to a comprise bill, and we will get something resembling the house bill passed with less that 60 votes in the senate.
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