Not going to happen. The people are waking up and poll, after poll show the people don't want the gubment controlling their healthcare. It's only the lunatic fringe that do.
Not going to happen. The people are waking up and poll, after poll show the people don't want the gubment controlling their healthcare. It's only the lunatic fringe that do.
A president campaigning on an issue, trying to get it passed, and compromising when he can't get the votes by passing a watered-down version is not exactly a 'broken promise'.
But note that I'm not defending him on this, other than from excessive attack - I'm angry and disappointed with his not fighitng hard enough for the right bill, it seems to me.
irishScott
Lifer
- Oct 10, 2006
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Yep, he gets elected and *gasp* he isn't Obalexama The Great anymore. We do live in something resembling a Democracy here, and despite recent wins on the part of the Dems the Repubs still hold a very significant minority. Unity is one thing Republicans have and Democrats don't. As long as that remains the case, Obama's got an uphill battle.
For the record I think we should just nuke congress from orbit and change voting laws to require that all parties in any given election receive equal funding from the government with strict limits on private funding. The original idea as I understand it behind our election process was that the average joe off the street could run for President if he liked. Now being ridiculously rich and/or well connected is everything but an official prerequisite.
But I digress. As far as health care goes, I think a government option could be a good move, but it's a fine line (which congress will squiggle about to no end); and it cracks open the door to a more severe form of the Welfare State down the line, which I vehemently oppose. Thus while I admit our current system needs massive improvement, maybe even more governmental regulation, I don't trust the current government to not slide down the proverbial slope; and it's no secret that this is not a "compromise" in the eyes of Obama or the left. The memo mentioned in the article spells it out "Nothing has changed." Even if this passes, it will probably be intentionally fucked up so the left will have more reason to propose more incremental "compromises".
I know I'm hitting the left hard here, but I do consider myself a moderate independent. I despise moronic conservatives as much as I do moronic liberals, and the Republicans are guilty of practices similar to the ones listed above IMO, but those practices aren't the issue for the moment.
For the record I think we should just nuke congress from orbit and change voting laws to require that all parties in any given election receive equal funding from the government with strict limits on private funding. The original idea as I understand it behind our election process was that the average joe off the street could run for President if he liked. Now being ridiculously rich and/or well connected is everything but an official prerequisite.
But I digress. As far as health care goes, I think a government option could be a good move, but it's a fine line (which congress will squiggle about to no end); and it cracks open the door to a more severe form of the Welfare State down the line, which I vehemently oppose. Thus while I admit our current system needs massive improvement, maybe even more governmental regulation, I don't trust the current government to not slide down the proverbial slope; and it's no secret that this is not a "compromise" in the eyes of Obama or the left. The memo mentioned in the article spells it out "Nothing has changed." Even if this passes, it will probably be intentionally fucked up so the left will have more reason to propose more incremental "compromises".
I know I'm hitting the left hard here, but I do consider myself a moderate independent. I despise moronic conservatives as much as I do moronic liberals, and the Republicans are guilty of practices similar to the ones listed above IMO, but those practices aren't the issue for the moment.
What are you libs going nuts for? What's wrong with a co-op instead of having the federal government take over healthcare? I have no problem with a carefully crafted proposal that allows co-ops to be formed. It doesn't give the federal government more power to screw things up.
CallMeJoe
Diamond Member
- Jul 30, 2004
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Now co-ops are being derided as a Trojan Horse for the Public Option. Hannity went off on that last night. Count on any idea from this administration, no matter how good, being trashed by Talk Radio, Fox News and the Jim DeMented branch of Congressional Republicans.
What did you expect the pundits to do? Go along with it?
Let's face it. The original proposal is just a piece of sh!t that they couldn't sell. If Obama is the leader he really wants people to believe he is, he would've worked with congress and not produce the original form of UHC that the non-partisan CBO crapped on. They missed the August deadline, and Obama shares most of the blame for it. The fact is that after crap like the bailous, "stimulus", and cap and trade, moderates now see Obama as just another inner-city liberal who has nothing new to offer (more of the same).
Modelworks
Lifer
- Feb 22, 2007
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I think they should take all that money they wanted to spend on health insurance and just set up public clinics/hospitals in each city. The government can run it like they want and charge what they want. The people that want to go elsewhere can do so. Insurance companies can stay as they are if people want to use them . If the government really can manage health care cost like they claim then other providers will have to lower cost to stay competitive. Similar to the way the school system works, use the public system or if you think you can do better for more money you can put kids in private school.
The lunatic fringe showing obama as hitler or bringing guns to rallies? Or the ones saying they don't want government in their medicare?
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