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White House kept "major program" secret from Congress

DealMonkey

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This *is* the White House M.O. since taking office in 2001. Keep Congress mostly or completely in the dark and pressure them to make uninformed decisions that benefit the administration.

We saw it in 2002, with the Congressional Authorization Authorizing Force Against Iraq, and we're seeing it now with the Administration's questionable legal tactics with their various surveillence programs.

White House kept "major program" secret from Congress

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration was running several intelligence programs, including one major activity, that it kept secret from Congress until whistle-blowers told the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, the committee's chairman said on Sunday.


Rep. Pete Hoekstra, a Michigan Republican who chairs the House Intelligence Committee, said on Fox News Sunday he had written a four-page to President George W. Bush in May warning him that the failure to disclose the intelligence activities to Congress may be a violation of the law.

In doing so, he confirmed a story that first ran in Sunday editions of the New York Times.

"I take it very, very seriously otherwise I would not have written the letter to the president," Hoekstra said.

"This is actually a case where the whistle-blower process was working appropriately and people within the intelligence community brought to my attention some programs that they believed we had not been briefed on. They were right," said Hoekstra, a close ally of Bush.

"We asked by code name about some of these programs. We have now been briefed on those programs but I wanted to reinforce to the president and to the executive branch and the intelligence community how important by law is the requirement that they keep the legislative branch informed of what they are doing," Hoekstra said.

The White House declined to comment directly on the allegations in Hoekstra's letter. "We will continue to work closely with the chairman and other congressional leaders on important national security issues," said Alex Conant, a White House spokesman.

Critics have charged that the Bush administration has a penchant for secrecy and has pushed its legal powers to the limit and possibly beyond in pursuing its "war on terror." But Hoekstra's complaint was particularly significant since it came from a strong supporter of the administration's tactics.

Hoekstra complained in his letter to Bush that the U.S. Congress "simply should not have to play 'Twenty Questions' to get the information that it deserves under our Constitution."


In the letter and the interview, Hoekstra did not provide details about the programs, which presumably remain secret.

Hoekstra had been briefed about both the National Security Agency's domestic surveillance program and the Treasury Department's tracking of international banking transactions, both of which were leaked to the media.

He said he did not expect to be briefed about everything intelligence agencies were doing but at least one of the secret activities was a major program which Congress definitely should have been informed about.

In the letter, Hoekstra said the lack of disclosure possibly constituted a "breach of responsibility by the administration, a violation of the law, and, just as importantly, a direct affront to me and the members of this committee who have so ardently supported efforts to collect information on our enemies."

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alien42

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we can only hope that these criminals pay for and/or serve time for their crimes.
 

Moonbeam

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The Messiah needs no congressional approval to protect God's country. The good can do only good.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: conjur
Hoekstra's a paper tiger.

He's been briefed now and all is well.


:roll:

If he is a paper tiger how did he manage to get briefed?
 

sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
until whistle-blowers told the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee

This mean they read the New York Times?

Some in Congress heard about the program for the first time from NYT.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
until whistle-blowers told the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee

This mean they read the New York Times?

Some in Congress heard about the program for the first time from NYT.

OH! I should have know! It's those traitors at the NY Times again exposing the truth about our fearless leader!

:roll:

It's hard to tell if this republican congress is a bigger joke or disgrace.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
until whistle-blowers told the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee

This mean they read the New York Times?

Some in Congress heard about the program for the first time from NYT.

OH! I should have know! It's those traitors at the NY Times again exposing the truth about our fearless leader!

:roll:

It's hard to tell if this republican congress is a bigger joke or disgrace.
Where is the big joke in a Republican telling the President he may be acting illegally? Why is he a paper tiger? Of what has he been informed?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
until whistle-blowers told the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee

This mean they read the New York Times?

Some in Congress heard about the program for the first time from NYT.

OH! I should have know! It's those traitors at the NY Times again exposing the truth about our fearless leader!

:roll:

It's hard to tell if this republican congress is a bigger joke or disgrace.
Where is the big joke in a Republican telling the President he may be acting illegally? Why is he a paper tiger? Of what has he been informed?

1. The big joke is in the line, "Some in Congress heard about the program for the first time from NYT." A republican congress and a republican president yet they aren't aware of what the other is doing? And now that the NYT has to inform them they tell bushler he "may" be acting illegally?

HA HA HA.

2. He's a paper tiger because he acts as though he could do something about the situation when apparently this republican congress will continue to allow this "republican" president to do anything, legal or illegal, that he se chooses to do.

3. He was informed by the NYT that bushler kept a "major program" secret from this joke of a disgusting congress that won't do a damn thing about it anyway.

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
until whistle-blowers told the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee

This mean they read the New York Times?

Some in Congress heard about the program for the first time from NYT.

OH! I should have know! It's those traitors at the NY Times again exposing the truth about our fearless leader!

:roll:

It's hard to tell if this republican congress is a bigger joke or disgrace.
Where is the big joke in a Republican telling the President he may be acting illegally? Why is he a paper tiger? Of what has he been informed?

1. The big joke is in the line, "Some in Congress heard about the program for the first time from NYT." A republican congress and a republican president yet they aren't aware of what the other is doing? And now that the NYT has to inform them they tell bushler he "may" be acting illegally?

HA HA HA.

2. He's a paper tiger because he acts as though he could do something about the situation when apparently this republican congress will continue to allow this "republican" president to do anything, legal or illegal, that he se chooses to do.

3. He was informed by the NYT that bushler kept a "major program" secret from this joke of a disgusting congress that won't do a damn thing about it anyway.

1. OK, I don't get the joke. If the President kept a secret how is it this joke of a congressman's fault?

2. How do we know he will allow anything to continue. Apparently this paper tiger's meow got him informed of what's going on. I don't know what he was told and neither do you. So how do we know on what basis he allows the President to continue or will allow it?

3. How do you know that what he was told didn't rightly change his opinion? I have trouble with all this certainty you have over stuff you have no facts about. It looks a lot like bias.
 

BBond

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This congress has refused to perform its most basic function in our system of government -- oversight in a system that depends on checks and balances. The joke is that one of them would step forward after many of them had to find out IN THE TRAITOROUS NY TIMES about another of many secret programs run right under their noses by this fascist executive branch.

I know they'll allow it to continue based on past performance. They've allowed EVERYTHING to continue, what makes YOU think the leopard's spots will change now?

I have no facts? I have historical precedent on this administration and the congress they have in their pocket as well as information that I get the same place CONGRESS is getting theirs -- newspapers. I also have a lifetime of watching the political machinations of the likes of bush and his enablers on which to base my opinions. Bias? Pointing out the continuing failures of bush and his ilk isn't bias, it's truth.

Has someone taken over your computer, Moonie? Or have you tasted the kool-aid and found it's easier to just drink up rather than resist?





 

dahunan

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It is a Joke because any other President would have been sent up for IMPEACHMENT BY NOW

Congress is the joke that keeps this clown in power
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: BBond
This congress has refused to perform its most basic function in our system of government -- oversight in a system that depends on checks and balances. The joke is that one of them would step forward after many of them had to find out IN THE TRAITOROUS NY TIMES about another of many secret programs run right under their noses by this fascist executive branch.

I know they'll allow it to continue based on past performance. They've allowed EVERYTHING to continue, what makes YOU think the leopard's spots will change now?

I have no facts? I have historical precedent on this administration and the congress they have in their pocket as well as information that I get the same place CONGRESS is getting theirs -- newspapers. I also have a lifetime of watching the political machinations of the likes of bush and his enablers on which to base my opinions. Bias? Pointing out the continuing failures of bush and his ilk isn't bias, it's truth.[/b]

Has someone taken over your computer, Moonie? Or have you tasted the kool-aid and found it's easier to just drink up rather than resist?
You have the 'above bolded' and from that you predict the future. As long as Republicans act true to the past and your view of the past is correct so will be your view of the future, but if somebody steps our of the box you will never see it. That is why you need to speak with less certainty and more awayness that you are using the best judgment you can muster. You come off as if you had latched onto unalterable cosmic truths instead of modest judgments of what is going on. It becomes clear, as in this case, when you start ranting about this or that Republican as if you had a full picture of what is in his mind. Such a think allows you to make a monster of the other based on nothing but your opinion. It is the very kool-aid drinking you accuse other of engaging in, but in my opinion. I can understand the temptation to rant and rave, but I really fear believing myself when I do. And a commitment to truth should be the property of any seeking to understand the world.





 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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Originally posted by: dahunan
It is a Joke because any other President would have been sent up for IMPEACHMENT BY NOW

Congress is the joke that keeps this clown in power

Congress wants that power for themselves after Bush is gone. Government at this point will never check itself, we the people must check it for them through demands.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: conjur
Hoekstra's a paper tiger.

He's been briefed now and all is well.


:roll:
If he is a paper tiger how did he manage to get briefed?
Because being briefed apparently waives all previous illegal activities in his eyes. Where's the accountability?
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BBond
This congress has refused to perform its most basic function in our system of government -- oversight in a system that depends on checks and balances. The joke is that one of them would step forward after many of them had to find out IN THE TRAITOROUS NY TIMES about another of many secret programs run right under their noses by this fascist executive branch.

I know they'll allow it to continue based on past performance. They've allowed EVERYTHING to continue, what makes YOU think the leopard's spots will change now?

I have no facts? I have historical precedent on this administration and the congress they have in their pocket as well as information that I get the same place CONGRESS is getting theirs -- newspapers. I also have a lifetime of watching the political machinations of the likes of bush and his enablers on which to base my opinions. Bias? Pointing out the continuing failures of bush and his ilk isn't bias, it's truth.[/b]

Has someone taken over your computer, Moonie? Or have you tasted the kool-aid and found it's easier to just drink up rather than resist?
You have the 'above bolded' and from that you predict the future. As long as Republicans act true to the past and your view of the past is correct so will be your view of the future, but if somebody steps our of the box you will never see it. That is why you need to speak with less certainty and more awayness that you are using the best judgment you can muster. You come off as if you had latched onto unalterable cosmic truths instead of modest judgments of what is going on. It becomes clear, as in this case, when you start ranting about this or that Republican as if you had a full picture of what is in his mind. Such a think allows you to make a monster of the other based on nothing but your opinion. It is the very kool-aid drinking you accuse other of engaging in, but in my opinion. I can understand the temptation to rant and rave, but I really fear believing myself when I do. And a commitment to truth should be the property of any seeking to understand the world.

I've been right so far and time will prove me right again. Maybe I am plugged into some greater cosmic truth. Or maybe I have a talent for assembling information and making predictioins based on past actions. Or maybe the republicans who've taken over our government are just so transparent that it's easy to see where this is all heading. Either way, I'll stake my predictions against bush's or yours or Ann Coulter's or anyone else and I'll be right while you enjoy your kool-aid with the rest of them.

What a dissapointment. You used to have your head screwed on straight but you've fallen victim to the "let's be fair and give these criminals another chance" club.

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BBond
This congress has refused to perform its most basic function in our system of government -- oversight in a system that depends on checks and balances. The joke is that one of them would step forward after many of them had to find out IN THE TRAITOROUS NY TIMES about another of many secret programs run right under their noses by this fascist executive branch.

I know they'll allow it to continue based on past performance. They've allowed EVERYTHING to continue, what makes YOU think the leopard's spots will change now?

I have no facts? I have historical precedent on this administration and the congress they have in their pocket as well as information that I get the same place CONGRESS is getting theirs -- newspapers. I also have a lifetime of watching the political machinations of the likes of bush and his enablers on which to base my opinions. Bias? Pointing out the continuing failures of bush and his ilk isn't bias, it's truth.[/b]

Has someone taken over your computer, Moonie? Or have you tasted the kool-aid and found it's easier to just drink up rather than resist?
You have the 'above bolded' and from that you predict the future. As long as Republicans act true to the past and your view of the past is correct so will be your view of the future, but if somebody steps our of the box you will never see it. That is why you need to speak with less certainty and more awayness that you are using the best judgment you can muster. You come off as if you had latched onto unalterable cosmic truths instead of modest judgments of what is going on. It becomes clear, as in this case, when you start ranting about this or that Republican as if you had a full picture of what is in his mind. Such a think allows you to make a monster of the other based on nothing but your opinion. It is the very kool-aid drinking you accuse other of engaging in, but in my opinion. I can understand the temptation to rant and rave, but I really fear believing myself when I do. And a commitment to truth should be the property of any seeking to understand the world.

I've been right so far and time will prove me right again. Maybe I am plugged into some greater cosmic truth. Or maybe I have a talent for assembling information and making predictioins based on past actions. Or maybe the republicans who've taken over our government are just so transparent that it's easy to see where this is all heading. Either way, I'll stake my predictions against bush's or yours or Ann Coulter's or anyone else and I'll be right while you enjoy your kool-aid with the rest of them.

What a dissapointment. You used to have your head screwed on straight but you've fallen victim to the "let's be fair and give these criminals another chance" club.

The difference, I think, between you and me is that you are a fanatic. You have the gift of greater cosmic truth etc. You need no trial, no evidence, no concrete facts to determine who is a criminal. You are just as dangerous as the criminals you condemn. You have no humility and no possibility of error. You belong with the fundamentalist Christians and should start your own church.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BBond
This congress has refused to perform its most basic function in our system of government -- oversight in a system that depends on checks and balances. The joke is that one of them would step forward after many of them had to find out IN THE TRAITOROUS NY TIMES about another of many secret programs run right under their noses by this fascist executive branch.

I know they'll allow it to continue based on past performance. They've allowed EVERYTHING to continue, what makes YOU think the leopard's spots will change now?

I have no facts? I have historical precedent on this administration and the congress they have in their pocket as well as information that I get the same place CONGRESS is getting theirs -- newspapers. I also have a lifetime of watching the political machinations of the likes of bush and his enablers on which to base my opinions. Bias? Pointing out the continuing failures of bush and his ilk isn't bias, it's truth.[/b]

Has someone taken over your computer, Moonie? Or have you tasted the kool-aid and found it's easier to just drink up rather than resist?
You have the 'above bolded' and from that you predict the future. As long as Republicans act true to the past and your view of the past is correct so will be your view of the future, but if somebody steps our of the box you will never see it. That is why you need to speak with less certainty and more awayness that you are using the best judgment you can muster. You come off as if you had latched onto unalterable cosmic truths instead of modest judgments of what is going on. It becomes clear, as in this case, when you start ranting about this or that Republican as if you had a full picture of what is in his mind. Such a think allows you to make a monster of the other based on nothing but your opinion. It is the very kool-aid drinking you accuse other of engaging in, but in my opinion. I can understand the temptation to rant and rave, but I really fear believing myself when I do. And a commitment to truth should be the property of any seeking to understand the world.

I've been right so far and time will prove me right again. Maybe I am plugged into some greater cosmic truth. Or maybe I have a talent for assembling information and making predictioins based on past actions. Or maybe the republicans who've taken over our government are just so transparent that it's easy to see where this is all heading. Either way, I'll stake my predictions against bush's or yours or Ann Coulter's or anyone else and I'll be right while you enjoy your kool-aid with the rest of them.

What a dissapointment. You used to have your head screwed on straight but you've fallen victim to the "let's be fair and give these criminals another chance" club.

The difference, I think, between you and me is that you are a fanatic. You have the gift of greater cosmic truth etc. You need no trial, no evidence, no concrete facts to determine who is a criminal. You are just as dangerous as the criminals you condemn. You have no humility and no possibility of error. You belong with the fundamentalist Christians and should start your own church.

I have the evidence and all the concrete facts I need. I'm just waiting for the trial.

But that's the joke. With the current crop of "republicans" in charge the trial will never be held. As you might have noticed, even when they're caught with their hands in the cookie jar up to the elbows their cohorts in congress and the judiciary refuse to act.

Who are the true fanatics?

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: BBond
This congress has refused to perform its most basic function in our system of government -- oversight in a system that depends on checks and balances. The joke is that one of them would step forward after many of them had to find out IN THE TRAITOROUS NY TIMES about another of many secret programs run right under their noses by this fascist executive branch.

I know they'll allow it to continue based on past performance. They've allowed EVERYTHING to continue, what makes YOU think the leopard's spots will change now?

I have no facts? I have historical precedent on this administration and the congress they have in their pocket as well as information that I get the same place CONGRESS is getting theirs -- newspapers. I also have a lifetime of watching the political machinations of the likes of bush and his enablers on which to base my opinions. Bias? Pointing out the continuing failures of bush and his ilk isn't bias, it's truth.[/b]

Has someone taken over your computer, Moonie? Or have you tasted the kool-aid and found it's easier to just drink up rather than resist?
You have the 'above bolded' and from that you predict the future. As long as Republicans act true to the past and your view of the past is correct so will be your view of the future, but if somebody steps our of the box you will never see it. That is why you need to speak with less certainty and more awayness that you are using the best judgment you can muster. You come off as if you had latched onto unalterable cosmic truths instead of modest judgments of what is going on. It becomes clear, as in this case, when you start ranting about this or that Republican as if you had a full picture of what is in his mind. Such a think allows you to make a monster of the other based on nothing but your opinion. It is the very kool-aid drinking you accuse other of engaging in, but in my opinion. I can understand the temptation to rant and rave, but I really fear believing myself when I do. And a commitment to truth should be the property of any seeking to understand the world.

I've been right so far and time will prove me right again. Maybe I am plugged into some greater cosmic truth. Or maybe I have a talent for assembling information and making predictioins based on past actions. Or maybe the republicans who've taken over our government are just so transparent that it's easy to see where this is all heading. Either way, I'll stake my predictions against bush's or yours or Ann Coulter's or anyone else and I'll be right while you enjoy your kool-aid with the rest of them.

What a dissapointment. You used to have your head screwed on straight but you've fallen victim to the "let's be fair and give these criminals another chance" club.

The difference, I think, between you and me is that you are a fanatic. You have the gift of greater cosmic truth etc. You need no trial, no evidence, no concrete facts to determine who is a criminal. You are just as dangerous as the criminals you condemn. You have no humility and no possibility of error. You belong with the fundamentalist Christians and should start your own church.

I have the evidence and all the concrete facts I need. I'm just waiting for the trial.

But that's the joke. With the current crop of "republicans" in charge the trial will never be held. As you might have noticed, even when they're caught with their hands in the cookie jar up to the elbows their cohorts in congress and the judiciary refuse to act.

Who are the true fanatics?

Why ask me? Your truth is all right there in your Bible of evidence and concrete facts God has revealed to you via your holy gift. You must not let a snake like me lead you astray. Questions, modest, and doubt are from the Debble. The believer does not question his faith, ever.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam


Why ask me? Your truth is all right there in your Bible of evidence and concrete facts God has revealed to you via your holy gift. You must not let a snake like me lead you astray. Questions, modest, and doubt are from the Debble. The believer does not question his faith, ever.

Faith is believing in that for which we have no proof.