White folk in US dying faster than babies are born. /freakout

[Zorba]

Not surprising. Millennials have no incentive to raise kids. They are buried in student debt, facing steep housing costs and working multiple jobs to cover their debts. When the younger generations aren't keeping pace with the dying ones you are going to see a gap form. Add immigration and birth rates in communities that are used to living in lower standards of living and it's easy to see why this is happening.

And sex is easy and cheap to get, without that relationship thing. Marriage rates are down and starting later, which discourages reproduction among educated people.

 

[Zorba]

I have to give credit to Lindsay Graham for bringing the subject up regarding immigration.
We’re not having enough kids to keep things going. This will be a long term problem. Immigrants are needed.
Happened during one of the clown car debates.

Automation is going to eliminate the need for a constant increase in human population. Although it might still be time to looking into new economic models that don't require exponential growth.

 

[Indus]

It is not just money, it is society. Having kids is discouraged.

We have been working on this for several generations now.
Making better and easier birth control and pushing people to use it though STD hysteria.
Making having kids a stigma to having a good job.
Making the two worker household practically mandatory.
Working on lowering the teen birth rate.

LOL I would agree with you but there are exceptions like Octomom and the like who are basically baby producing factories.

 

[Stokely]

Automation is going to eliminate the need for a constant increase in human population. Although it might still be time to looking into new economic models that don't require exponential growth.

Yep, between climate change and automation, we may be looking at an extremely different world in the decades ahead. I don't think people realize how many jobs may be "lost" to automation and things like 3D printing. We are at the infancy of human jobs being taken over. Even the people writing the software for the automation will likely be (mostly) replaced!

Of course that's not necessarily a bad or good thing, it's just reality. We can do a Dune-universe-like limitation on tech, that's probably the only way to stop it. Otherwise, the notion of "you are worthless unless you can do a day's work" is done. Leisure time will be the norm for everyone, of course that implies that we haven't blown it all up to a post-apocalypse where yes indeed you'd better work (at spinning cloth, skinning hides, gathering wood etc)

 

[Noah Abrams]

Yeah money isn’t the main reason for declining birth rates. If anything the affluent are the ones reproducing lot less. I know several couples both white and immigrants, quite rich, who have not yet have had kids. Who wants to change diapers when you could be having fun in Paris

 

[brandonbull]

When everyone becomes a bit "darker" will it be the end to racism?

That's when diversity takes over. Right?

 

[Juiblex]

When the whites die out, things will correct themselves back to where they need to be.

For example: Old white farmers. When nobody replaces them, people are going to go hungry and starve. Much like what happened in Zimbabwe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1f2de2bb74e5

 

[pauldun170]

My youngest appears white.
He's not.
He's a secret agent.

By the time The Whites© figure out the mutts and darkees are banging out kids with fair skin it will be too late.

 

[glenn1]

When the whites die out, things will correct themselves back to where they need to be.

For example: Old white farmers. When nobody replaces them, people are going to go hungry and starve. Much like what happened in Zimbabwe.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1f2de2bb74e5

If you already believe in taxing "the rich" at confiscatory rates it's not much of a leap of logic to just forcing them to work involuntarily to maintain that tax income and/or production of desired goods.

 

[K1052]

If you already believe in taxing "the rich" at confiscatory rates it's not much of a leap of logic to just forcing them to work involuntarily to maintain that tax income and/or production of desired goods.

How would one, under this theory, force corpses to work? I am genuinely curious.

 

[pauldun170]

Yep, between climate change and automation, we may be looking at an extremely different world in the decades ahead. I don't think people realize how many jobs may be "lost" to automation and things like 3D printing. We are at the infancy of human jobs being taken over. Even the people writing the software for the automation will likely be (mostly) replaced!

Of course that's not necessarily a bad or good thing, it's just reality. We can do a Dune-universe-like limitation on tech, that's probably the only way to stop it. Otherwise, the notion of "you are worthless unless you can do a day's work" is done. Leisure time will be the norm for everyone, of course that implies that we haven't blown it all up to a post-apocalypse where yes indeed you'd better work (at spinning cloth, skinning hides, gathering wood etc)

There is a better way

 

[Mai72]

But but but...

Dames scare me.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

If you already believe in taxing "the rich" at confiscatory rates it's not much of a leap of logic to just forcing them to work involuntarily to maintain that tax income and/or production of desired goods.

But it’s too far of a leap to imagine restricted access to immigration camps could never become death camps

 

[Mai72]

Seriously though...

Does it suprise you? People who have higher educations are the ones waiting, and when and if they have kids it's one maybe two tops. Poor(er) familes OTOH are having 3 plus kids.

They aren't too concerned with a fancy lifestyle and 3 week vacations at the shore. Anyway, it's going to be decades before we notice any changes to our society. By then, all on this forum will be either old or dead.

 

[boomerang]

Whitey might be leading the charge on this one, but the national birthrate is way down overall. I read a couple weeks ago that the only age bracket where it's increased is 35-45.

And for some reason when faced with this it's so fucking hard to hammer out a reasonable immigration policy. Path to citizenship, secure the damn border, vastly increase consulate and internal support for immigration processing.

Somebody, just today I think it was, said that it takes two to Tango. Congress has no interest in working together. As for immigration, one party wants anyone and everyone to come in regardless of whether they will become a burden or benefit to society and the other party wants to make as certain as possible that everyone that comes in will be a benefit to society.

What's really curious is that the party that wants open borders now, are as recently as four years ago on record as being against it. It's almost like they have a compulsion to adopt the opposite position to their sworn political enemies. The quest for power is the only thing that matters to the political class.

None of this matters. The fiscal death spiral started many decades ago. It cannot be stopped only perhaps blunted. The debt our nation is in combined with its unfunded liabilities is mortal and cannot be remedied. No amount of immigration in even its most effective form will even make a dent in it.

Opening the borders and flooding the nation with unskilled, uneducated people that are willing to work for dismal wages is not an answer and it should be very simple for most people to comprehend that. Unfortunately it's not. Bring them in by the busload and watching them send their earnings back to the country they left makes bleeding hearts feel good but just speeds up our demise.

It all makes sense if you hate this nation. What's most important these days is for your tribe to win. We'll get to experience the further escalation of that. When a large enough percentage of the population cannot accept the results of elections, that society is very close to its demise. Right now we've got a lot of name-calling, some incitement to violence, some violence and some shooting at Republican congressmen practicing for a baseball game. We're really close to something really big for the history books.

 

[WHAMPOM]

So why do we not have a classification for Italian white people? Or Russian white people?

I see "non-hispanic white" on all sorts of government forms. Why?

We did, read your history, not Governmental but society, NO dogs-NO blacks-NO Irish was applied by the WASP majority to many other nationalities.

 

[feralkid]

Somebody, just today I think it was, said that it takes two to Tango. Congress has no interest in working together. As for immigration, one party wants anyone and everyone to come in regardless of whether they will become a burden or benefit to society and the other party wants to make as certain as possible that everyone that comes in will be a benefit to society.

What's really curious is that the party that wants open borders now, are as recently as four years ago on record as being against it. It's almost like they have a compulsion to adopt the opposite position to their sworn political enemies. The quest for power is the only thing that matters to the political class.

None of this matters. The fiscal death spiral started many decades ago. It cannot be stopped only perhaps blunted. The debt our nation is in combined with its unfunded liabilities is mortal and cannot be remedied. No amount of immigration in even its most effective form will even make a dent in it.

Opening the borders and flooding the nation with unskilled, uneducated people that are willing to work for dismal wages is not an answer and it should be very simple for most people to comprehend that. Unfortunately it's not. Bring them in by the busload and watching them send their earnings back to the country they left makes bleeding hearts feel good but just speeds up our demise.

It all makes sense if you hate this nation. What's most important these days is for your tribe to win. We'll get to experience the further escalation of that. When a large enough percentage of the population cannot accept the results of elections, that society is very close to its demise. Right now we've got a lot of name-calling, some incitement to violence, some violence and some shooting at Republican congressmen practicing for a baseball game. We're really close to something really big for the history books.

Someone else said "Garbage in, Garbage out".
Everything you know is wrong.

 

[Victorian Gray]

This can't come fast enough for me. I'm very much looking forward to not just being a minority but being an oppressed minority.

Don't you enjoy being a oppressed majority enough?

 

[Jaskalas]

The debt our nation is in combined with its unfunded liabilities is mortal and cannot be remedied.

I remember feeling that hopelessness and despair. It is difficult to see the light at the end of the tunnel when you cannot even see the tunnel. But look, I can describe it for you. What a mere 25% tax rate can achieve via Basic Income. My plan is "pay as you go", there is no deficit spending involved.

No idea how to fix this? It is so simple, but requires a big leap. On the plus side, we're being forced to do it rather soon unless we wish to collapse under income inequality and bankruptcy. The fix is to restructure our government to provide Basic Income. As for labor, that's what robots are for. I'll make this clear. We do not need pyramid schemes.

We are scamming ourselves if we think infinite growth is a viable long term solution. We've been milking it for decades, it's time to stop and pay our dues. First by balancing our budget. That's with a proper tax structure. Second, by providing a good return on that investment: Basic Income. Third, labor has already reached the point where it'll find a way. It does not need humans any more. In the coming decades it'll be regressives fighting for laws against automation. Instead, I say we embrace automation. We can revel in increased productivity with LESS labor. And we keep our people participating in the economy by giving them their... fair share.

This is the only economic plan or solution I see going forward. It is also sustainable. It does not depend on or ask for growth. The world does not need any more people and neither does our country.

This can be a demographic disaster, or the dawn of a new age.

As for the details, everyone gets $1,000/mo. Children have it saved in a "nest egg" account. Upon turning 18, a couple would have a combined savings of $432,000. (Not counting investment). That is enough to pay cash for most homes. Think about it, the elimination of your monthly rent / mortgage payment. Nation wide. The rest of the nest egg can go towards transport and education costs. Essential big ticket items that make the $2,000/mo the couple receives stretch a lot further than it would today.

And that's not even counting anything they receive elsewhere. I'm talking real, valuable, sustainability whether they are employed or not. In return, other government programs to pay "welfare" are eliminated. Pensions are eliminated. They are simply not necessary. It's a system that lets people move freely, work freely, and do whatever they want - we still provide the basics.

A true social safety net paid for by taxes does not harm our debt or deficit. That onus is on our irresponsible programs today. We can eliminate them in exchange for a deficit neutral (or beneficial) system that ensures stability to our national economy. Imagine a 2008 crash where people were not losing their homes. Where they were not stressed over how to put food on the table. Where they could pack up and chase jobs while still receiving the full benefits of our system.

Unfunded liabilities? Burn them, we have no need of them if we replace them. The future is bright, we just need the vision to get there.

 

[Victorian Gray]

What is a hispanic white person?

Ask here:

https://www.google.com/

 

[Bitek]

Ironically, white people are doing this to themselves by cutting it the social safety net from underneath them.

It's just too expensive to have more kids if you both work and intend to send your kids to college (white suburban life.)

 

[SMOGZINN]

Ironically, white people are doing this to themselves by cutting it the social safety net from underneath them.

It's just too expensive to have more kids if you both work and intend to send you kids to college (white suburban life.)

You are probably right, but the question is which one do you give up?

 

[Jaskalas]

You are probably right, but the question is which one do you give up?

Preferably they'll give up the delusion of trickle down policy. They did not have to have less wealth than their parents. They chose that.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Ironically, white people are doing this to themselves by cutting it the social safety net from underneath them.

It's just too expensive to have more kids if you both work and intend to send you kids to college (white suburban life.)

As I said there are many many people who can easily afford to send kids to college but choose not to have kids. It is part of the me culture. I don’t know why every issue gets framed in terms of money. Not just this

 

[Bitek]

You are probably right, but the question is which one do you give up?

Look what Germany and Sweden are doing for example.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-23/how-germany-is-defusing-a-demographic-time-bomb

After decades of low birth rates, Germany just posted their highest rate since 1973.

More $ assistance to parents (paid time off), low cost child care, free healthcare for kids.

Controlling education costs and giving higher levels of support would also help (ie, aid, not just loans.)

High cost of retirement is also a threat here.

You can't expect families with flat wages to pay ever more for childcare, education, healthcare and retirement and expect them to have lots of kids.

But we're a bunch of idiots who borrow more money to give to rich people, cut support for the masses, then try and keep out immigrants and think that will solve our problems.