White? Dont teach here. Op Updated to address false 'racist' labal

[SpatiallyAware]

Omfg dank, just drop it. You have made your 'side' so over complicated that I don't think anyone can follow it. Reading your posts trying to defend yourself is making me cringe.

 

[realibrad]

I'm glad someone finally understands what I am talking about.

However, I do not agree with your conclusion that "the moment you get into the history of a different race that was in America, you must stop." The protesters weren't splitting down to that level. The class was African-Latino-Asian but they think a black person can teach all of that. The qualifier is clearly "you must be a part of this group" and not "you must be every part of this group."

They may not have said it, but it is the conclusion of their beliefs. Quite explicitly the protesters said that the problem is a lack of first hand experience. You cannot teach something you have not been directly apart of. Ill not expand it to any history beyond race because I would think they think race history is different from other types of history.

Only a black teacher has first hand experience with black issue, but does not with Latin American issues. A Latin American teacher does not have first hand ex of black issues ect.

If the disqualification of the white teacher is first hand experience, and the class spans multiple race histories, then you can only have a teacher that is all the races, and have first hand experience of every topic.

Once the protesters said that first hand experience is required, they took it down this path.

 

[dank69]

Omfg dank, just drop it. You have made your 'side' so over complicated that I don't think anyone can follow it. Reading your posts trying to defend yourself is making me cringe.

I'm sorry logic offends you. Your racism offends me, so we're even.

 

[dank69]

They may not have said it, but it is the conclusion of their beliefs. Quite explicitly the protesters said that the problem is a lack of first hand experience. You cannot teach something you have not been directly apart of. Ill not expand it to any history beyond race because I would think they think race history is different from other types of history.

Only a black teacher has first hand experience with black issue, but does not with Latin American issues. A Latin American teacher does not have first hand ex of black issues ect.

If the disqualification of the white teacher is first hand experience, and the class spans multiple race histories, then you can only have a teacher that is all the races, and have first hand experience of every topic.

Once the protesters said that first hand experience is required, they took it down this path.

They clearly mean first hand experience being a minority, not first hand experience being black.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I'm sorry logic offends you. Your racism offends me, so we're even.

It's not offensive, it's embarrassing and derailing the thread.

 

[dank69]

Because so far, only one person acknowledged that he gets it. You're just mad because you still don't and want that inconvenient truth to go away.

 

[dphantom]

we all got it long ago.

 

[dank69]

It's not offensive, it's embarrassing and derailing the thread.

This is a discussion about the original topic in every way. The fact that you think it is derailing just shows how poor a grasp you have on logic. Probably a root cause of your blatant racism.

 

[realibrad]

Omfg dank, just drop it. You have made your 'side' so over complicated that I don't think anyone can follow it. Reading your posts trying to defend yourself is making me cringe.

I think I have it now. He took the statement to mean that you should fire all back history teachers that are teaching any history outside of black history. He then took it to mean that Waggy believed that black teachers teaching "American" history should be fired, as it is not "Black" history. That would then imply that Blacks are not apart of American history.

Its a misunderstanding of the context of Waggys statement.

so i guess they should fire every black history teacher (except for African-American, Latino and Southeast Asian studies)

If you do not read studies at the end, it could mean that every teacher teaching black history classes should be fired. I think this is likely what happened.

 

[dank69]

we all got it long ago.

If you got it long ago you would acknowledge that you were wrong, like an honest person. If you still think I'm wrong then you don't get it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Because so far, only one person acknowledged that he gets it. You're just mad because you still don't and want that inconvenient truth to go away.

LOL...I'm not mad. I just think you're an idiot who's frantically trying to defend a really stupid point in order to save face...that's all.

 

[Whiskey16]

The racist are the ones that think a white person can't teach those classes just as well, because they're white.

Thank you, despite being challenged and offered a chance to recognise the explicit racism of the OP, xj0hnx, you are clearly enforcing that this is not racist:

They [Blacks and Hispanics] want to be taught 'their' [Blacks and Hispanics] history. Where they [Blacks and Hispanics] come from.

Well they [Blacks and Hispanics] are in America, and should learn American history.

Don't like it, go back to where you [Blacks and Hispanics] came from to get 'your' [Blacks and Hispanics] history.

That bloody filthy racist justly got called out, and yet you and many others continue to deny the presence of such racism. You thereby defend the above. Bloody ill....

Beyond that, where is the troll? How many embarrassingly stupid and offensive threads does michael1980 start and then run-way? I called it in the second post.

~~~~~~~ oh, and Dank, you've wasted pages with your stubbornness for misreading waggy's statement.

 

[dank69]

I think I have it now. He took the statement to mean that you should fire all back history teachers that are teaching any history outside of black history. He then took it to mean that Waggy believed that black teachers teaching "American" history should be fired, as it is not "Black" history. That would then imply that Blacks are not apart of American history.

Its a misunderstanding of the context of Waggys statement.

so i guess they should fire every black history teacher (except for African-American, Latino and Southeast Asian studies)

If you do not read studies at the end, it could mean that every teacher teaching black history classes should be fired. I think this is likely what happened.

Yes, the bolded is exactly what I typed back when you decided to enter the conversation. It has nothing to do with context. Waggy made a direct link:

Whites can't teach African studies is the same as blacks can't teach American History

 

[dank69]

LOL...I'm not mad. I just think you're an idiot who's frantically trying to defend a really stupid point in order to save face...that's all.

A "stupid" point that you cannot refute because the logic is airtight.

 

[justoh]

Yes, that is exactly what I typed the bolded back when you decided to enter the conversation. It has nothing to do with context. Waggy made a direct link:

Whites can't teach African studies is the same as blacks can't teach American History

Indicating faulty logic and not his personal belief? He thinks that's what the woman's statement would entail, incorrectly. oder? Why is it the case that he must believe that, instead of just misunderstanding the implications of what was said, like spungo did.

 

[dank69]

Indicating faulty logic and not his personal belief? He thinks that's what the woman's statement would entail, incorrectly. oder? Why is it the case that he must believe that, instead of just misunderstanding the implications of what was said, like spungo did.

Because he was trying to find an example of a group that is not a part of another group and his example was black people not being a part of American History. The logic was sound, his example did not fit.

 

[realibrad]

They clearly mean first hand experience being a minority, not first hand experience being black.

How are you able to infer that? If you are going to give them the reasonable doubt, why did you not extend it to Waggy as well, before accusing him of not believing blacks were apart of American history?

Also, being a "Minority" can be very different given each context. You just took a shortcut by saying "Minority" because in this context, it means ethnic non majority relative to the white majority. Quite literally, from your statement, the qualification would be one need only to be a minority of any type to obtain first hand knowledge. I having Duane syndrome am a minority of sorts, and would then be qualified to teach the class if I were also a history teacher.

I would say its pretty obvious that you did not mean minority in its literal sense. Instead of jumping to the belief that Waggy did not believe blacks were apart of American history, you could have simply asked him to clarify and you would then likely know.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

A "stupid" point that you cannot refute because the logic is airtight.

People aren't refuting it because you're nuts, and you've made your point into something so complicated that there's no way to even begin to reason with you.


You're not changing any minds in regards to their opinions.

The only thing you're accomplishing is embarrassing yourself.

 

[realibrad]

Yes, the bolded is exactly what I typed back when you decided to enter the conversation. It has nothing to do with context. Waggy made a direct link:

Whites can't teach African studies is the same as blacks can't teach American History

He never said Blacks cannot teach American history. That was an inference you made. He said blacks cannot teach any other history other than minority history classes. You did not place the statement in context.

 

[dank69]

People aren't refuting it because you're nuts, and you've made your point into something so complicated that there's no way to even begin to reason with you.


You're not changing any minds in regards to their opinions.

The only thing you're accomplishing is embarrassing yourself.

You just admitted it's too complicated for you and you think I am the one who should be embarrassed? It isn't even a difficult concept.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You just admitted it's too complicated for you and you think I am the one who should be embarrassed? It isn't even a difficult concept.

How far are you going to keep digging?

 

[dank69]

How are you able to infer that? If you are going to give them the reasonable doubt, why did you not extend it to Waggy as well, before accusing him of not believing blacks were apart of American history?

Also, being a "Minority" can be very different given each context. You just took a shortcut by saying "Minority" because in this context, it means ethnic non majority relative to the white majority. Quite literally, from your statement, the qualification would be one need only to be a minority of any type to obtain first hand knowledge. I having Duane syndrome am a minority of sorts, and would then be qualified to teach the class if I were also a history teacher.

I would say its pretty obvious that you did not mean minority in its literal sense. Instead of jumping to the belief that Waggy did not believe blacks were apart of American history, you could have simply asked him to clarify and you would then likely know.

I infer it from this part of the article:

...

"We're just saying what the community wants. We didn't fight for a white male or female teacher to educate our babies," Crozier said. "We still are at these racial fault lines, and we want someone who will be able to think critically about those racial fault lines and how do we help heal, to restore the problems that have existed."

...

This to me means they want someone who understands the experience of being in the racial minority when it comes to race relations. If they were concerned about the teacher being all of the races they would have asked for that. They did not. Clearly a black teacher is qualified in their opinion to teach not only African studies, but Latino and Asian as well. Why do you think differently?

 

[dank69]

He never said Blacks cannot teach American history. That was an inference you made. He said blacks cannot teach any other history other than minority history classes. You did not place the statement in context.

Bullshit. He said all black history teachers should be fired except for African studies. Is American History a subset of African studies? No. This post of yours holds zero water.

 

[dank69]

How far are you going to keep digging?

Go back to Stormfront, the adults are talking.