White? Dont teach here. Op Updated to address false 'racist' labal

[dank69]

Wait...
Do you believe Waggy believes "whites can't teach African studies is the same as blacks can't teach American History" or that Waggy believes thats what the protesters think?

Lol, you guys are funny. The first one, as I have repeatedly typed.

 

[Retro Rob]

But the statement was not Waggy's belief, but what he though the conclusion of the protesters would imply.

If we establish what Waggy likely thought the view point of the protester was, we can establish a context to place his statements in.

Agree with this, but remember, dank69 has infant-level reading comprehension skills.

 

[justoh]

But the implication of the protesters was that culture cannot be taught by someone who does not have first hand knowledge. If culture is apart of history, a teacher would not be able to teach with out this experience. Thus a black teacher would only be able to teach history from a relatively recent time frame, as northern Europe have zero blacks from 2000+ years ago.

Also, there are cultural studies featuring Europeans.

Could these protestors be of the opinion that these shortcomings only affect the dominant culture and that non whites necessarily are qualified to teach anything? Because they probably do. Could it be the case that only the cultural studies classes taught in their school is of any concern to them, and everything else not within the scope of what they expressed? Seems likely. Even though merely probably and likely, it necessarily follows that we can't extrapolate from what they said anything about the qualifications of non-whites.

 

[justoh]

No. He has to believe the two statements are equal. That is how logic works.

Why does believing those statements to be equal necessitate him holding those beliefs.

 

[realibrad]

Agree with this, but remember, dank69 has infant-level reading comprehension skills.

Oh Jesus, now you chime in too.

Zing!

 

[dank69]

Agree with this, but remember, dank69 has infant-level reading comprehension skills.

Oh look who decided to join the wrong side of the argument while addressing nothing with a douche-canoe attitude. Feel free to attempt to poke a single, solitary hole in my logic if you think you can, chump.

 

[dank69]

Why does believing those statements to be equal necessitate him holding those beliefs.

The belief IS that they are equal. They are not equal.

 

[realibrad]

Lol, you guys are funny. The first one, as I have repeatedly typed.

Ok, then we are done, because you are wrong.

He was obviously saying what he thought the protesters conclusions should ultimately lead to.

He does not believe it is necessary to take race into account to be a teacher, as he explicitly said so.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The belief IS that they are equal. They are not equal.

In what way are they not equal?

 

[realibrad]

Could these protestors be of the opinion that these shortcomings only affect the dominant culture and that non whites necessarily are qualified to teach anything? Because they probably do. Could it be the case that only the cultural studies classes taught in their school is of any concern to them, and everything else not within the scope of what they expressed? Seems likely. Even though merely probably and likely, it necessarily follows that we can't extrapolate from what they said anything about the qualifications of non-whites.

If the protesters only wanted this limited to "their" school, then they must establish a different argument. The argument is not limited by the constraints of local issues. The argument is the necessity of first hand experience to teach a history of race. I cannot see how it would be limited to that school on that subject. They may not have thought ahead to the implications of their argument, but it is there for sure.

 

[dank69]

Ok, then we are done, because you are wrong.

He was obviously saying what he thought the protesters conclusions should ultimately lead to.

He does not believe it is necessary to take race into account to be a teacher, as he explicitly said so.

And I am the one with the infant reading skills? We have been over this several times and you are still confused. You are missing the bolded part of what Waggy believes:

Whites can't teach African studies is the same as blacks can't teach American History

But, yet again you think I am saying that Waggy believes that:
Whites can't teach African studies
and
Blacks can't teach American History

Yet again, that is not what I am saying.

Waggy thinks the two statements are equal

Waggy thinks the two statements are equal

Waggy does not agree with either statement

Waggy does not agree with either statement

 

[dank69]

In what way are they not equal?

Because white people have no experience as a minority in America while black people DO have experience with American History?

 

[justoh]

But does waggy agree with either statement, or think that they are equal?

 

[dank69]

But does waggy agree with either statement, or think that they are equal?

You tell me.

 

[realibrad]

You tell me.

Waggy

The teacher has the qualifications so he is able to teach it. it amazes me that people think the color of the skin matters.

Where did Waggy say that Blacks cannot teach American history?

exactly. so i guess they should fire every black history teacher (except for African-American, Latino and Southeast Asian studies)

By having African-American he is establishing that there are sub cultures to American history. American history contains White, Asian, Native, Black, Hispanic, ect. So, if a prerequisite to teaching black history in the US is experience, how can a Black teacher teach Southern US history during slavery? Blacks were not the minority in terms of population during slavery in the south.

 

[Thebobo]

Oh look who decided to join the wrong side of the argument while addressing nothing with a douche-canoe attitude. Feel free to attempt to poke a single, solitary hole in my logic if you think you can, chump.

I had to look that up http://douchecanoe.com/

 

[dank69]

Waggy


Where did Waggy say that Blacks cannot teach American history?



By having African-American he is establishing that there are sub cultures to American history. American history contains White, Asian, Native, Black, Hispanic, ect. So, if a prerequisite to teaching black history in the US is experience, how can a Black teacher teach Southern US history during slavery? Blacks were not the minority in terms of population during slavery in the south.

Before I continue with your rehashing of the logic for another round, you should first admit your post 208 was a result of your failed reading comprehension skills.

 

[realibrad]

I had to look that up http://douchecanoe.com/

hahaha WTF is that. Well, Ill getting a call from IT soon

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Because white people have no experience as a minority in America while black people DO have experience with American History?

These 25 year old children do not have any clue about oppression. Give me a break.

 

[dank69]

These 25 year old children do not have any clue about oppression. Give me a break.

Can you explain yourself better, please?

 

[realibrad]

Before I continue with your rehashing of the logic for another round, you should first admit your post 208 was a result of your failed reading comprehension skills.

Nope, because he does not believe its necessary for race to be a factor. He does not believe Blacks cannot teach American History. He believes the protesters logic establishes that idea, but he does not believe the protesters are correct.

I even quoted Waggy as saying race is not a factor in teaching history. I still dont get why you cannot understand this.

Also, I'm sure this is your way of deflecting. You can address both points in a single post.

 

[dank69]

Nope, because he does not believe its necessary for race to be a factor. He does not believe Blacks cannot teach American History. He believes the protesters logic establishes that idea, but he does not believe the protesters are correct.

I even quoted Waggy as saying race is not a factor in teaching history. I still dont get why you cannot understand this.

Also, I'm sure this is your way of deflecting. You can address both points in a single post.

And you are still failing the reading comprehension.

I'm not going in circles anymore. You understood what the argument was about and now you don't again. Until you can prove you know where you are I am not going to chase your tail for you.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Because white people have no experience as a minority in America while black people DO have experience with American History?

This is not true for some people. I'm white and grew up in a black neighborhood. Your premise appears to be flawed.

 

[dank69]

This is not true for some people. I'm white and grew up in a black neighborhood. Your premise appears to be flawed.

America. Not neighborhood. I suppose most of your elected town officials were black, most of your state officials were black and most of your federal officials were black, right? Did you have to fight for your right to vote?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

America. Not neighborhood. I suppose most of your elected town officials were black, most of your state officials were black and most of your federal officials were black, right?

My neighborhood was America to me.