Whipping the Bunny - Here are Your Right-Wing Christians

[Moonbeam]

i will respond to this, your other ramblings i have already debunked.(actualy this i have too for that matter) if you disagree we can go over it again on a point by point basis. perhaps you may let go of your own "bigoted preconceptions" as you put it
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Yes, lets do:
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his statement is incorrect in that marxism(communism) does not "imply" atheism, it calls for it to be state policy in a straightforward manner...thus atheism is in fact an integral part of communism itself. i have even shown you the text.
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That is what 'implies communism' means for God's sake.
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the rest is classic circular reasoning and is a logical fallacy on his part since it is merely a self sustaining statement.
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I have no idea what that means.
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the fact that atheism does not imply communism i do not dispute, but it is irrelevant to the fact atheism is a part of communism.
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We were not disputing that you were implying that. We were pointing out the fact that Atheism whether implicit to communism or not has nothing to do with the violent nature of communism historically. It is not the Atheism that is the source of the violence. You are saying that because red flags are implicit to communism that red flags equate to millions of deaths. It is utter bunk and logically fallacious. The connection is all in your mind, a kind of magical voodoo thinking. Communists are atheists therefore atheists are bad. Atheism does not imply killing religious people so it isn't atheism that is the source of this disease. It is the faith that communism is more important than human life. It's belief in that religion. Of course it could be the color red does that to people. no?
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anytime one religious view has been made enforced state policy those who hold differing views have always suffered, atheism is no different. again this is a real world observation that is in fact verifiable.
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That fact is not in dispute. It is the fact that a atheism has never been a singular enforced state policy, the policy is communist doctrine not atheism itself. Communism is a rapacious religious doctrine struggling for dominance. Atheism is merely non belief. Its not struggling for anything.
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if atheists are going to deride theists for past atrocities then the simple fact is atrocities committed against differing religious views in the name of state sanctioned atheism are in fact no different.
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There is no pure form of state sanctioned atheism. What you mean is communism. You are back to saying that because atheism implies communism that communism implies atheism. That doesn't work, remember. Next think you know and you'll be telling me that state sanctioned red flags mean that people who like green will be suffering.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: HelloDeli

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: HelloDeli
Ok, let me get this strait...

Some fringe Christian organization sanctions an obviously stupid performance about the "true meaning of Easter". Conclusion of the Left = All Christians are Neo-Con Freedom Hating Facist Bunny Whippers.

A group of Islamic Terrorists fly commercial airliners into the WTC, and Pentagon killing 3000 Ammerican Civilians. Conclusion of the Left = These were just Fringe Islamic Terrorists that had some valid reasons behind their desperate attempt to protest the Iron Fist of America. These were a select few, and Islam is a peaceful religion.

Ok, looks like I got it.

Workin' the straw today?

With savvy and clever one liners like that, its a wonder I even try to debate. I mean, you completley debunked my entire point with four small words. A veritable Verbal Picasso!

What? You want me to debate your sweeping generalizations about the left? Pffft, I don't think so.

 

[Shad0hawK]

moonbeam as usual you are not making a bit of sense...i apologize if i made you blow a fuse.

you are totally ignoring the fact that atheism is an integral part of communism, then saying it does have something to do with communism, then saying there is no such thing as "pure" state sanctioned atheism...only communism. then throw in that communism is a religion when in fact it is areligious.

it seems to me you would rather amuse yourself with double talk and purposful logical inconsistancies than engage in a serious dialogue. and for future reference "point by point" is not the same as "sentence by sentence"


goodnight and God bless

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
The implication that the OP was trying to convey was that this incident is somehow indicative of Christianity in its entirety, which is moronic at best. I agree with Shadohawk and I support his posting his views in this thread.

Cheers!
Nate

Well, I certainly didn't read that into the title: "Whipping the Bunny - Here are Your Right-Wing Christians" - where does it say this incident is indicative of all Christians? Frankly, I think you and some others here are getting worked up over nothing. Nobody's trying to attribute the isolated actions of this one church to all Christians. I don't even think they meant to come across as violent or whatever -- personally, I found it to be a bizarre way to celebrate Easter and to be honest, it came across pretty humorous.

Lighten up people, your religion is not under attack here.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Orsorum
The implication that the OP was trying to convey was that this incident is somehow indicative of Christianity in its entirety, which is moronic at best. I agree with Shadohawk and I support his posting his views in this thread.

Cheers!
Nate

Well, I certainly didn't read that into the title: "Whipping the Bunny - Here are Your Right-Wing Christians" - where does it say this incident is indicative of all Christians? Frankly, I think you and some others here are getting worked up over nothing. Nobody's trying to attribute the isolated actions of this one church to all Christians. I don't even think they meant to come across as violent or whatever -- personally, I found it to be a bizarre way to celebrate Easter and to be honest, it came across pretty humorous.

Lighten up people, your religion is not under attack here.

I'm not a Christian. : )

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
moonbeam as usual you are not making a bit of sense...i apologize if i made you blow a fuse.

you are totally ignoring the fact that atheism is an integral part of communism, then saying it does have something to do with communism, then saying there is no such thing as "pure" state sanctioned atheism...only communism. then throw in that communism is a religion when in fact it is areligious.

it seems to me you would rather amuse yourself with double talk and purposful logical inconsistancies than engage in a serious dialogue. and for future reference "point by point" is not the same as "sentence by sentence"

Moonbeam is making perfect sense to me, here let me break it down: You're attributing atheism to communism. That's fine. But then your attributing the violence to the atheism component and not the communism component or any other component for that matter. You're saying that A & B (atheism and communism) regularly occur together and that A is the cause of C (violence). That's your logical fallacy.

I tend to agree with MB's earlier concept in which it merely appears that man is committing atrocities in the name of religion, when there's really more deep-seeded problems going on. It's a convenient excuse for someone who's already violent to commit horrible acts. Even absent the religious factor, atrocities would still be committed.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
moonbeam as usual you are not making a bit of sense...i apologize if i made you blow a fuse.
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Not at all, not at all, it's just that you can't follow sense.
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you are totally ignoring the fact that atheism is an integral part of communism, then saying it does have something to do with communism, then saying there is no such thing as "pure" state sanctioned atheism...only communism. then throw in that communism is a religion when in fact it is areligious.
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See what I mean, you've twisted yourself into knotts. The fact that atheism is an integral part of communism means nothing at all any more than red flags are an integral part of communism too. It means nada except in your head because you feel in your heart that ahteism is bad. Because of that you are blind to how that feeling leads you by the nose.
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it seems to me you would rather amuse yourself with double talk and purposful logical inconsistancies than engage in a serious dialogue. and for future reference "point by point" is not the same as "sentence by sentence"
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It seems you describe yourself. And why is it not the same? I'll be calling the points on my end.
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goodnight and God bless
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And to you also.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
moonbeam as usual you are not making a bit of sense...i apologize if i made you blow a fuse.

you are totally ignoring the fact that atheism is an integral part of communism, then saying it does have something to do with communism, then saying there is no such thing as "pure" state sanctioned atheism...only communism. then throw in that communism is a religion when in fact it is areligious.

it seems to me you would rather amuse yourself with double talk and purposful logical inconsistancies than engage in a serious dialogue. and for future reference "point by point" is not the same as "sentence by sentence"

Moonbeam is making perfect sense to me, here let me break it down: You're attributing atheism to communism. That's fine. But then your attributing the violence to the atheism component and not the communism component or any other component for that matter. You're saying that A & B (atheism and communism) regularly occur together and that A is the cause of C (violence). That's your logical fallacy.

I tend to agree with MB's earlier concept in which it merely appears that man is committing atrocities in the name of religion, when there's really more deep-seeded problems going on. It's a convenient excuse for someone who's already violent to commit horrible acts. Even absent the religious factor, atrocities would still be committed.

The source of the violence, DealMonkey is that people hate themselves, don't know it and don't know that they don't want to know. The dilema for man then is how to hate without remembering who we really hate and refeeling the pain of the hate that made us hate ourselves. We do this on the one hand by becoming good, by having the only religion and by projecting our hate out onto others as if it were they who hate us and not we who hate ourselves. In this way we divide the world into us and them and spend our time at war right next to the animal intensity of our own unconscious hate, feeling it but not consiously aware of its source. In this way belief, regardless of type, always breeds violent expression. We are pulled like moths backwards into our childhood trauma and recreate it in the world. We have to make the other guy feel as bad as we do. The reason that Christ died on the cross was to show us what happened to us, to help us remember and tell us what will happen if we do.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
moonbeam as usual you are not making a bit of sense...i apologize if i made you blow a fuse.

you are totally ignoring the fact that atheism is an integral part of communism, then saying it does have something to do with communism, then saying there is no such thing as "pure" state sanctioned atheism...only communism. then throw in that communism is a religion when in fact it is areligious.

Moonbeam is making perfect sense to me, here let me break it down: You're attributing atheism to communism. That's fine. But then your attributing the violence to the atheism component and not the communism component or any other component for that matter. You're saying that A & B (atheism and communism) regularly occur together and that A is the cause of C (violence). That's your logical fallacy.

This is what I was saying above in somewhat more clear terms. The argument can be put into the form of a syllogism as follows:

IF Communism implies Atheism AND
Communism implies Violence
THEN Atheism is responsible for Violence

It appears to be an attempt to use the Transitive property (if A -> B and B -> C, then A -> C), but transitivity doesn't apply here, because your assumptions are A -> B and A -> C, which does not imply B -> C, where A is Communism, B is Atheism, and C is violence.

 

[DealMonkey]

Indeed. If Shadowhawk could actually prove (in some other way since he certainly hasn't done it here) that A (atheism) = C (violence), nevermind the B (communism), then he might actually have something.

Otherwise he may as well scream "God is GREAT! Allah Akbar!" and leave the thread. Which is pretty much what he did . . .

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: cquark

This is what I was saying above in somewhat more clear terms. The argument can be put into the form of a syllogism as follows:

IF Communism implies Atheism AND
Communism implies Violence
THEN Atheism is responsible for Violence

It appears to be an attempt to use the Transitive property (if A -> B and B -> C, then A -> C), but transitivity doesn't apply here, because your assumptions are A -> B and A -> C, which does not imply B -> C, where A is Communism, B is Atheism, and C is violence.

again that is inaccurate because my reasoning is not quite following the pattern you are using. i am not dealing in theory but instead making observations in reality. if a total disregard for what goes on in reality were a reasonable thing to do you might have a point...if communism did not have an atheistic agenda inherent, they would have no reason to persecute other religous views. however since communism does incorporate atheism other religious views suffer as a result...just as historically other politicized religious views make competeing views suffer as well.

that same logicical flow mathematically would be expressed as since 1+1=2 then 2-1=1

there is one thing that keeps both instances from being circular reasoning, both are verifiable in reality.

let's look at your charactorization of my reasoning again.

IF Communism implies Atheism AND
Communism implies Violence
THEN Atheism is responsible for Violence

that is not my argument, it is inaccurate. this is:

IF Communism implies Atheism AND
Communism implies Violence
THEN politicized Atheism is responsible for Violence

using the Transitive property (if A -> B and B -> C, then A -> C) transitivity does in fact apply here, because my assumptions are A -> B and A -> C, which does imply B -> C, where A is Communism, B is Politcized Atheism, and C is violence against other religous viepoints.

again i have the luxury of having reality confirm my statements, reality being objective makes my assertions objective as well because they are observable in reality.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Indeed. If Shadowhawk could actually prove (in some other way since he certainly hasn't done it here) that A (atheism) = C (violence), nevermind the B (communism), then he might actually have something.

Otherwise he may as well scream "God is GREAT! Allah Akbar!" and leave the thread. Which is pretty much what he did . . .

if you are going to go as far as denying reality to hold on to what you beleive, nothing can be proven to you. you are simply going to beleive what you want to. you might as well stick to jr. high school level abusive humor, it seems to be all you have going for you.

 

[DealMonkey]

Here, I fixed it for you:

IF Communism implies red flags AND
Communism implies Violence
THEN red flags are responsible for Violence

See, you could interchange "atheism" for practically anything. It still doesn't make any more sense.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well I mistakenenly left the following post on my computer when I went to watter the yard, and it was prior to the last too by shadow and somewhat dated now but here goes:

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Indeed. If Shadowhawk could actually prove (in some other way since he certainly hasn't done it here) that A (atheism) = C (violence), nevermind the B (communism), then he might actually have something.

Otherwise he may as well scream "God is GREAT! Allah Akbar!" and leave the thread. Which is pretty much what he did . . .

Yup and when you feel the truth, ie when your opinions are based on irrational emotion, everything you say looks perfectly logical, to you, yourself, that is. And he just knows that atheism is bad and that atheists have no morals and are just as likely to slit your throat as look at you. I mean, look at history.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Here, I fixed it for you:

IF Communism implies red flags AND
Communism implies Violence
THEN red flags are responsible for Violence

See, you could interchange "atheism" for practically anything. It still doesn't make any more sense.

no, atheism is the belief God does not exist....politicized atheism on the other hand becomes more than that. it becomes dogma enforced by the government. once that happens it becomes abusive toward other religous viewpoints just as has happened when any other religous view becomes a state sanctioned religous view.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Indeed. If Shadowhawk could actually prove (in some other way since he certainly hasn't done it here) that A (atheism) = C (violence), nevermind the B (communism), then he might actually have something.

Otherwise he may as well scream "God is GREAT! Allah Akbar!" and leave the thread. Which is pretty much what he did . . .

if you are going to go as far as denying reality to hold on to what you beleive, nothing can be proven to you. you are simply going to beleive what you want to. you might as well stick to jr. high school level abusive humor, it seems to be all you have going for you.

You are the one denying reality. We have explained again and again that the fact that communists have killed millions means only that communists have killed millions. It does not mean that the fact they profess atheism is the reason they killed millions. They killed millions because they want power, authority and control just like every other phony answer to man's ills, all the Marx quotes and things communists might say not withstanding. It's all about believing what you believe is more important than human life, and atheists don't believe in god, but some will believe in any other thing just like the rest of humanity. Take the step from atheism to knowing nothing. It's very refreshing.

I know you are aqll wound up about the danger that killing millions represents, but you have confused that danger with things that are irrelevant. It is belief that what you believe is more important than human life that is the danger. The threat is belief and you are a believer one very likely to gladly kill millions of atheist communists in preemptive self defense cause you know you are right just like them.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Yup and when you feel the truth, ie when your opinions are based on irrational emotion, everything you say looks perfectly logical, to you, yourself, that is. And he just knows that atheism is bad and that atheists have no morals and are just as likely to slit your throat as look at you. I mean, look at history.

again your only defense is to mischaractorize my argument. my argument is based on observations in objective reality, not emotion. in fact it seems your argument is based more on emotion than mine is.

here are my assertions

1. communism is inherantly atheistic,. this is a factual and not an ad hom argument. i am sure you can remember the relevant portion of the communist manifesto i provided.

2. communism calls for the overthrow(violent if needed) of competing ideaologies. religion is included. again this is factual. as per the communist manifesto

3. when a singular religous viewpoint becomes state policy(politicized) other competing viewpoints suffer at its expense. this is true of any theistic view, the atheisitic religous viewpoint is no different. again this is verifiable fact observable in reality.

so can you show me exactly where the "emotionalism" is in that?

 

[Moonbeam]

How many times do you need to be told that Atheism is the absesnce of the belief in God. It is not the belief that God doesn't exist. The belief that God doesn't exist is bigotry. You are not a believer in the non existance of the tooth fairy. You don't go around preaching that the tooth fairy doesn't exist. You don't sit around all day telling yourself there is no tooth fairy. You seldom if ever think about the tooth fairy. You don't believe in the tooth fairy and have left all notion of the tooth fairy behind. The tooth fairy is not a part of your daily experience. The toothfairy is absent from your life. Its the same for an atheist with God. And his real name is Mogogo, by the way. You didn't know you're a believer in Mogogo, did you.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

How many times do you need to be told that Atheism is the absesnce of the belief in God.

no, that's agnosticism.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain

How many times do you need to be told that Atheism is the absesnce of the belief in God.

no, that's agnosticism.

Nope, agnostics aren't sure about the existence of god.

ag·nos·tic
1a. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
1b. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
2. One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

a·the·ist
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.

 

[Moonbeam]

1. communism is inherantly atheistic,. this is a factual and not an ad hom argument. i am sure you can remember the relevant portion of the communist manifesto i provided.

Yes yes, we know that. Communism is a religion that substitutes communism for god.

2. communism calls for the overthrow(violent if needed) of competing ideaologies. religion is included. again this is factual. as per the communist manifesto

Yes yes we know that. Communists want power and control like every other ' only true' belief.

3. when a singular religous viewpoint becomes state policy(politicized) other competing viewpoints suffer at its expense. this is true of any theistic view, the atheisitic religous viewpoint is no different. again this is verifiable fact observable in reality.

This comment is potentially logically flawed. The fact that a series of historical events have features in common does not mean that all future historical experiences will work out the same. The probability is there and you are doing here exactly what you laughed at me for doing by suggesting that since things evolved that evolution has to be the explanation. You are using inductive logic to draw the most likely conclusion. Shame on you. The big difference between us is that our personal history is very short and evolution has a billions of year record of consistency. Also we don't know what would happen if atheists rather than Communist atheists were in power. Atheist, pure and simple, have no dogma to bite at your Karma's tires.

Also, so what. What is the point of your lesson. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely? We know that it corrupts those who are corruptible religious or atheist. It isn't religion or Atheism that is the problem, as I said. It's the need to believe, the feeling that your belief is more important than the life of your fellow man. You are off on an irrelevant tangent.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

You are the one denying reality. We have explained again and again that the fact that communists have killed millions means only that communists have killed millions. It does not mean that the fact they profess atheism is the reason they killed millions. They killed millions because they want power, authority and control just like every other phony answer to man's ills, all the Marx quotes and things communists might say not withstanding. It's all about believing what you believe is more important than human life, and atheists don't believe in god, but some will believe in any other thing just like the rest of humanity. Take the step from atheism to knowing nothing. It's very refreshing.

your explantion was based on a mischaractorization of my argument, not on my argument itself. thus it was innacurate and irrelevant.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I know you are aqll wound up about the danger that killing millions represents, but you have confused that danger with things that are irrelevant. It is belief that what you believe is more important than human life that is the danger. The threat is belief and you are a believer one very likely to gladly kill millions of atheist communists in preemptive self defense cause you know you are right just like them.

you are making that ssumption based upon a stereotype, if i fit that stereotype, you would have a point...however since i do not, you do not.

what is going on is atheists for the most part love to talk about how "religion" causes so much suffering, when it is rightly pointed out that militant atheism that has become state dogma has caused much more suffering and much more recently atheists go to great lengths and make the most nonsensical arguments to the contrary. but reality has shown us that an atheistic fanatic willing to force his viewpoint upon people is no different than any theistic fanatic wqilling to do the same. as long as this is denied and turned a blind eye to it will keep happening as it has been the past 90 years and is still happening today. whether it be in the name of God or in the name of the state or self it does not matter, suffering is still suffering and death is still death.

Nietzsche saw this coming you know.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

This comment is potentially logically flawed. The fact that a series of historical events have features in common does not mean that all future historical experiences will work out the same. The probability is there and you are doing here exactly what you laughed at me for doing by suggesting that since things evolved that evolution has to be the explanation. You are using inductive logic to draw the most likely conclusion. Shame on you. The big difference between us is that our personal history is very short and evolution has a billions of year record of consistency. Also we don't know what would happen if atheists rather than Communist atheists were in power. Atheist, pure and simple, have no dogma to bite at your Karma's tires.

Also, so what. What is the point of your lesson. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely? We know that it corrupts those who are corruptible religious or atheist. It isn't religion or Atheism that is the problem, as I said. It's the need to believe, the feeling that your belief is more important than the life of your fellow man. You are off on an irrelevant tangent.

actually you are still wrong(overall) but i agree with some things you said. but you are still desparately trying avoid what is obvious. for one thing i am not using just inductive reasoning but deductive reasoning as well...as i have said before reality is objective. when the claim is made(usually by ahteists who soend alot of time doing this) that religion is the cause of much suffering in the world they point to history. when theists make the claim that militant atheism has caused even more suffering we to point to not only history but current events as well....but when theists point out that politicized atheism behaves the same way toward other views as politicized religion does atheists cry foul and want to change the rules...when it comes right down to it they want to criticize religion but not be criticized themselves.

the point is what i have already simply stated, an atheistic fanatic willing to kill others who think differently is no different than a theistic one willing to do the same. we seem to be in agreement on this, however you seem to still want to seperate atheism from communism and fail to do so because atheism is not seperate from communism it is an integral part of it. the fact that there are atheists that are not communists while being true is totally irrelevant to this fact. communism is not a religion that is a mistake on your part.

atheism itself may have no dogma to bite karma's tires(which if you think about it is inaccurate but i will go with it for now) but politicized atheism will burn your house, kill your family and force sterilization on you because you dared beleive differently. it is happening right now as we speak.

i have to get some actual work done now so cya later

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

You are the one denying reality. We have explained again and again that the fact that communists have killed millions means only that communists have killed millions. It does not mean that the fact they profess atheism is the reason they killed millions. They killed millions because they want power, authority and control just like every other phony answer to man's ills, all the Marx quotes and things communists might say not withstanding. It's all about believing what you believe is more important than human life, and atheists don't believe in god, but some will believe in any other thing just like the rest of humanity. Take the step from atheism to knowing nothing. It's very refreshing.

your explantion was based on a mischaractorization of my argument, not on my argument itself. thus it was innacurate and irrelevant.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I know you are aqll wound up about the danger that killing millions represents, but you have confused that danger with things that are irrelevant. It is belief that what you believe is more important than human life that is the danger. The threat is belief and you are a believer one very likely to gladly kill millions of atheist communists in preemptive self defense cause you know you are right just like them.

you are making that ssumption based upon a stereotype, if i fit that stereotype, you would have a point...however since i do not, you do not.

what is going on is atheists for the most part love to talk about how "religion" causes so much suffering, when it is rightly pointed out that militant atheism that has become state dogma has caused much more suffering and much more recently atheists go to great lengths and make the most nonsensical arguments to the contrary. but reality has shown us that an atheistic fanatic willing to force his viewpoint upon people is no different than any theistic fanatic wqilling to do the same. as long as this is denied and turned a blind eye to it will keep happening as it has been the past 90 years and is still happening today. whether it be in the name of God or in the name of the state or self it does not matter, suffering is still suffering and death is still death.

Nietzsche saw this coming you know.

Good grief, I don't disagree with any of that. I just tired to point out to you that the uniting principle is belief, not non belief, the belief that what you believe is more important than human life. An atheist who has another form of religion is still a believer, just not a believer in God. The problem is not that he doesn't believe in God but that he believes in something else the true nature of which he may equally rationalize. All you are telling me is that humanity is mentally ill. I already knew that. But I'm suggesting that by blaming atheism or religion for any of this is to miss the mark. The cause goes back to self-hate. It is that to which we turn a blind eye. We have met the enemy and he is us. The real war is to be fought within oneself. The problem is not out there. I am suggesting that the religious person and the atheist suffer from exactly the same disease and they are fundamentally identical.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
How many times do you need to be told that Atheism is the absesnce of the belief in God. It is not the belief that God doesn't exist. The belief that God doesn't exist is bigotry. You are not a believer in the non existance of the tooth fairy. You don't go around preaching that the tooth fairy doesn't exist. You don't sit around all day telling yourself there is no tooth fairy. You seldom if ever think about the tooth fairy. You don't believe in the tooth fairy and have left all notion of the tooth fairy behind. The tooth fairy is not a part of your daily experience. The toothfairy is absent from your life. Its the same for an atheist with God. And his real name is Mogogo, by the way. You didn't know you're a believer in Mogogo, did you.

if atheists did not spend alot of time preaching the idea that there is no God you would have a point, but they do. we se it on this board even all the time whenever a discussion about God comes up an atheist invariably pops in with the definitive claim "there is no God" now follow your own logic to it's conclusion and see you prove yourself wrong.