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JustaGeek

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Originally posted by: apoppin
*somebody*

i think you did :p
- try coming up with something logical in reply instead of dismissing a survey of 1.3 million gamers - out of hand - based on your personal feelings about it because it may disagree with your world view
:confused:

Isn't that amazing that people can actually fall in love with the Operating System...? :heart:

:confused:

EDIT: And this love really does seem blind, doesn't it... ;)
 

nordloewelabs

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Originally posted by: Aberforth
Originally posted by: Lobsang
XP Pro here (for windows). It does everything I need it to and I don't have a DX10 capable card so I can't see a reason to upgrade to Vista at the moment.

you are very farsighted :D

i cannot see his reason either.

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: JustaGeek
Originally posted by: apoppin
*somebody*

i think you did :p
- try coming up with something logical in reply instead of dismissing a survey of 1.3 million gamers - out of hand - based on your personal feelings about it because it may disagree with your world view
:confused:

Isn't that amazing that people can actually fall in love with the Operating System...? :heart:

:confused:

EDIT: And this love really does seem blind, doesn't it... ;)

totally blind ... and insensitive to others with "lesser" systems
:p

look, i get more than a little irritated when someone points to a stupid little survey of 103 elitist HW geeks on a HW forum as though it "Means Something" and in the VERY NEXT BREATH *dismisses* a survey of 1.3 MILLION gamers as useless because it ... "isn't representative"

somebody is confusing playing a fantasy game with talking fantasy here ;)


 

Mem

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Originally posted by: apoppin
*somebody*
:Q

i think you did, Mem :p
- try coming up with something logical in reply instead of dismissing a survey of 1.3 million gamers - out of hand - based on your own personal feelings about it because it may disagree with your elitist world view
:confused:

I know a lot of gamers that don't do online gaming,Steam games are mainly online games with the exception of single player games that you can download,I do know a few gamers that don't touch online gaming or even bother to install Steam,however that's besides the point since survey polls are limited in what they can survey, 1.3 million may sound a lot but its nothing compared to all the gamers in the world,as I have already stated if you want to agree with that survey or any survey its up to you ,so I don't know where you getting the elitist view from :p ,last time I checked it was called having an opinion,we can agree or disagree in a free country ;).

It has nothing to do with what I think of the survey,to be honest I don't care one way or the other,surveys only represent a small percentage of the available gamers/public ie ...whatever the survey is in question,it changes with time and nobody is going to really argue with that...
As to the whatever the real figure is in the survey who cares I know I don't,that's why I don't take any survey serious whatever it maybe.

Its not worth debating over and with that in mind I'm off to do some online gaming ,wish me luck m8 :).







 

apoppin

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good luck!

and we can agree to disagree .. on surveys here

... and i will also be doing some online gaming ... i finally got my DUN speeds up in the 170s consistently .. kilo-BITS-per second [:p] ... good enough for WoW or Guild Wars, Nightfall :)

... heck, it's slow ... but still 4x faster than 56K
 

JustaGeek

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Mem, I hope you don't mind if I step in and voice a few opinions of my own.

You are about to become a moderator on this forum, and as such you should have a well balanced and educated opinion about the issues with which people have to deal, and be as objective and fair as possible.

All I could learn from your posts in the past few months is an absolute commitment to Vista. No matter what anyone says, you:

NEVER had a BSOD.
NEVER had to use System Restore in any OS.
NEVER had any issue with Vista 64.
NEVER had any hardware problems.

You have to acknowledge the fact that the World doesn't revolve around Vista. And in your case, any type of comment that might put Vista in a perceived negative light brings your strong resistance.

I would not want you to take this post as a personal attack - it isn't. But you are a very knowledgeable and valuable member of the AT community, and this type of "blind commitment" makes you less believable.

Hope you understand ;)
 

anotherdude

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I have no doubt that the rank and file gamer out there is probably still on XP, and by a good margin, as the Steam results suggest. Not everyone is going to switch in the first year. The poll results here may be more indicative of the trend or simply of hardware enthusiast preference. More and more at other boards I belong to Vista 64 seems to be the OS of choice for new machines. I do see a trend. Why so may uber-Geeks using it if it sucks?

I think the experience of hardware enthusiasts here and elsewhere shows that Vista is a good game platform and not the dog it sometimes claimed to be.
 

Mem

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Originally posted by: JustaGeek
Mem, I hope you don't mind if I step in and voice a few opinions of my own.

You are about to become a moderator on this forum, and as such you should have a well balanced and educated opinion about the issues with which people have to deal, and be as objective and fair as possible.

All I could learn from your posts in the past few months is an absolute commitment to Vista. No matter what anyone says, you:

NEVER had a BSOD.
NEVER had to use System Restore in any OS.
NEVER had any issue with Vista 64.
NEVER had any hardware problems.

You have to acknowledge the fact that the World doesn't revolve around Vista. And in your case, any type of comment that might put Vista in a perceived negative light brings your strong resistance.

I would not want you to take this post as a personal attack - it isn't. But you are a very knowledgeable and valuable member of the AT community, and this type of "blind commitment" makes you less believable.

Hope you understand ;)



Apoppin knows me better then you when it comes to my comments etc...as to my problems I have posted when I had problems with Stalker(had issue with certain map and quicksaves crashing) and The Witcher(crashing problem in full screen mode,think I was the first to post this in AT,however it was a common problem if you check the official Witcher thread),also lastweek I had a very minor Dungeon Siege issue ,I even posted a thread in PC gaming with the simple fix (apoppin can vouch for that)end of the day problems are quickly solved,PC and gaming by nature bring problems sooner or later,right now both my Vista x64 and x86 on my lappy are running sweet,as to hardware problems I have posted time and time again about all my hardware failures over the years ,however that's nature of owning a PC.

I never had to use System Restore so far in Vista x64 or Vista x86,never used it in XP either,I hope I won't ever have too.
Btw what has this to do with Vista?..apoppin and I were talking about accurancy of survey polls,end of the day they are only a very small percentage of the total.
You seem to jump to a lot of wrong conclusions about what I have stated both present and in the pass.
Blind commitment?...now you have lost me completely.



Btw here's the Dungeon Siege thread fix I posted link. JustaGeek you need to pay attention to my problem threads when I post them ;).

My old Witcher thread. ,notice I said

Checking their forums tells me I'm not alone in the crashing department, going to advance options like disabling Field of View etc did not help in my case.I'm pretty sure its a game issue since all my other games are fine and even Bioshock,Two Worlds etc are more stable,I guess its possible it could be driver related but doubt it.I expect a few more patches to appear since the game could of done with more stability tweaking ,I will go as far and say this game is probably my most unstable game I own (I don't say that lightly since 99% of my games don't cause me problems).

My opinion is a very good game(story,sound,graphics etc..) but has stability issues that need addressing ASAP,anyway if I find the cause I'll let you know.
The fix was to run in windowed mode in my case.

Btw I was talking about poll accurancy in this thread and also in general rather then Vista,but I guess you think I was talking about Vista when I was not,point being I expected the poll to have XP in front by a mile rather then Vista being in the lead last time I checked,that shows inaccurancy to me even for a very small survey like here in AT forums,now you know why I don't take survey polls serious.As to the Steam survey poll,I don't doubt the results,however it only represent a small 1.3 million gamers (how many gamers are in the real world?) my point being how accurate is it,you'll probably find XP has a bigger lead if Steam could survey all those gamers that were not included in the poll.
 

Nothinman

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Steam is not "a small percentage of the total *PC* gamers world wide" ... unless you count 3rd world countries with no Internet access and pre-'03 games running on their rigs

That's pretty awesome and why statistics are pointless, they can be made to make just about any point. And following them up with something that essentially says "Steam is representative of gamers world-wide, as long as you don't count all of those gamers that don't happen to run Steam." only makes the point finer.

But the whole thing is irrelevant except to point out that despite all of the "OMG Vista sucks! I want my XP back!" threads Vista is doing just fine even among Anand users.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Mem
Originally posted by: JustaGeek
Mem, I hope you don't mind if I step in and voice a few opinions of my own.

You are about to become a moderator on this forum, and as such you should have a well balanced and educated opinion about the issues with which people have to deal, and be as objective and fair as possible.

All I could learn from your posts in the past few months is an absolute commitment to Vista. No matter what anyone says, you:

NEVER had a BSOD.
NEVER had to use System Restore in any OS.
NEVER had any issue with Vista 64.
NEVER had any hardware problems.

You have to acknowledge the fact that the World doesn't revolve around Vista. And in your case, any type of comment that might put Vista in a perceived negative light brings your strong resistance.

I would not want you to take this post as a personal attack - it isn't. But you are a very knowledgeable and valuable member of the AT community, and this type of "blind commitment" makes you less believable.

Hope you understand ;)



Apoppin knows me better then you when it comes to my comments etc...as to my problems I have posted when I had problems with Stalker(had issue with certain map and quicksaves crashing) and The Witcher(crashing problem in full screen mode,think I was the first to post this in AT,however it was a common problem if you check the official Witcher thread),also lastweek I had a very minor Dungeon Siege issue ,I even posted a thread in PC gaming with the simple fix (apoppin can vouch for that)end of the day problems are quickly solved,PC and gaming by nature bring problems sooner or later,right now both my Vista x64 and x86 on my lappy are running sweet,as to hardware problems I have posted time and time again about all my hardware failures over the years ,however that's nature of owning a PC.

I never had to use System Restore so far in Vista x64 or Vista x86,never used it in XP either,I hope I won't ever have too.
Btw what has this to do with Vista?..apoppin and I were talking about accurancy of survey polls,end of the day they are only a very small percentage of the total.
You seem to jump to a lot of wrong conclusions about what I have stated both present and in the pass.
Blind commitment?...now you have lost me completely.



Btw here's the Dungeon Siege thread fix I posted link. JustaGeek you need to pay attention to my problem threads when I post them ;).

My old Witcher thread. ,notice I said

Checking their forums tells me I'm not alone in the crashing department, going to advance options like disabling Field of View etc did not help in my case.I'm pretty sure its a game issue since all my other games are fine and even Bioshock,Two Worlds etc are more stable,I guess its possible it could be driver related but doubt it.I expect a few more patches to appear since the game could of done with more stability tweaking ,I will go as far and say this game is probably my most unstable game I own (I don't say that lightly since 99% of my games don't cause me problems).

My opinion is a very good game(story,sound,graphics etc..) but has stability issues that need addressing ASAP,anyway if I find the cause I'll let you know.
The fix was to run in windowed mode in my case.

Btw I was talking about poll accurancy in this thread and also in general rather then Vista,but I guess you think I was talking about Vista when I was not,point being I expected the poll to have XP in front by a mile rather then Vista being in the lead last time I checked,that shows inaccurancy to me even for a very small survey like here in AT forums,now you know why I don't take survey polls serious.As to the Steam survey poll,I don't doubt the results,however it only represent a small 1.3 million gamers (how many gamers are in the real world?) my point being how accurate is it,you'll probably find XP has a bigger lead if Steam could survey all those gamers that were not included in the poll.

Dead-on right ... JustaGeek doesn't know you very well nor does he understand moderation at all. :p

Being a moderator has little to do with having "a well balanced and educated opinion about the issues with which people have to deal, and be as objective and fair as possible". Nope. It is keeping the discussion free of trolls and enforcing the ToS of ATF. The moderator's own opinion is his own and has nothing to do with "moderation".

We may not agree on the validity of the Steam Survey but we do seem to agree that it is more representative than "our" little 2-answer poll.

what do you think ... 150 million PC gamers worldwide? Those with rigs that can play '04 or newer games.

i think a 1% sampling would be good ... and probably there are less gamers using Vista than represented on Steam ... think of "Sims" players mostly on XP, win2K and still 98se :p
 

JustaGeek

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Dead-on right ... JustaGeek doesn't know you very well nor does he understand moderation at all. :p

Being a moderator has little to do with having "a well balanced and educated opinion about the issues with which people have to deal, and be as objective and fair as possible". Nope. It is keeping the discussion free of trolls and enforcing the ToS of ATF. The moderator's own opinion is his own and has nothing to do with "moderation".

We may not agree on the validity of the Steam Survey but we do seem to agree that it is more representative than "our" little 2-answer poll.

what do you think ... 150 million PC gamers worldwide? Those with rigs that can play '04 or newer games.

i think a 1% sampling would be good ... and probably there are less gamers using Vista than represented on Steam ... think of "Sims" players mostly on XP, win2K and still 98se :p


I understand modaration ONLY from what I would like to see in a moderator.

That's why we have a moderator "election" here. :p

People with lower percentage of votes loose (how ironic - see other polls :D ).

And BTW, we have resolved our differences, however minor, with Mem through private messages, so I personally consider this case closed. ;)

 

nerp

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Mem will chime in with help and it's not like he's oblivious to the fact that even Vista can have issues at times or people might encounter a BSOD. Generally, from what I've seen, his Vista love, like mine, is brought up in defense of it within myriad anti-Vista threads. If someone using Vista encounters an issue, I see no shortage of help offered or objective troubleshooting.
 

Mem

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Originally posted by: nerp
Mem will chime in with help and it's not like he's oblivious to the fact that even Vista can have issues at times or people might encounter a BSOD. Generally, from what I've seen, his Vista love, like mine, is brought up in defense of it within myriad anti-Vista threads. If someone using Vista encounters an issue, I see no shortage of help offered or objective troubleshooting.

I normally defend Vista when people blame the OS without troubleshooting,I did the samething for XP when it was new and probably do the samething when Windows 7 gets here,when something is new its easy to blame that.True no OS is perfect however taking the time to troubleshoot can often point to the problem being something else rather then the OS in question.I know for a fact a few times where the blame was not the OS with my own troubleshooting.

Common problems I hear about Vista are why is Vista taking up so much ram(we all know the answer to that one).I'll give you another example with my brother ,he purchased a new laptop with Vista and had lockups with Firefox , anyway he was going to blame Vista,I did some research and found out it was the Lenovo thinkpad password manager software that was installed causing the problem link was a simple fix and not Vista's fault.

End of the day if you own a PC or laptop expect to put some effort into troubleshooting sooner or later,if you don't know how then ask for help here without pointing the figure unless you are 100% sure of the cause.



 

videopho

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XP MCE2005 (an aging Dell XPS)
XP Pro 64 (soon to be upgraded to Vista Ultimate)
Vista 64 Prem (sig #2)
Vista 32 Pre, (sig #1 lappy)
 

heymrdj

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Vista Ultimate 64 bit on main laptop
Vista Home Premium 32 bit on second laptop
XP Home on home server
Windows Server 2003 on LAN Party Server
Debian 4.0 on Zimbra web server
Windows XP Home, Windows 2000 Pro, Windows 98SE, and Ubuntu 7.10 on a test server. (to see how different builds interact.)
 

labgeek

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Windows Server 2008 Standard (x64)
with XP, Vista and OpenSuse VMs under it.

btw Server 2008 is a GREAT workstation OS... But make sure all your if you go x64 that all the drivers you need are signed (not just out there but SIGNED). x64 in server will not load them otherwise, no matter how much you beg and plead with it.

There are a couple guides to using 2008 as a desktop around.

 

Pabster

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Vista Ultimate x64 across the board. Both of my main workstations, 3 other rigs, and my laptop.

OK, I do have an old lappy with XP but I never use it. :p

Also running Windows Server 2008 x64 on a new machine.
 

JustaGeek

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Vista Ultimate x64 across the board. Both of my main workstations, 3 other rigs, and my laptop.

OK, I do have an old lappy with XP but I never use it. :p

Also running Windows Server 2008 x64 on a new machine.


Hmmm.... perhaps it's time to update MyRigs, Pabster...? :p

 

kurt454

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I have two machines. I game on Vista Home Premium 32bit, and I do everything else on my second machine, running XP Pro.
 

Megatomic

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XP Pro on my Compaq laptop at work
XP Pro on my old HP laptop that came with Vista Home Premium (wife has it now, I have a macbook)
Vista on the new Toshiba laptop that not even the kids (teenagers all) want to use....
 

John

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How about adding an option to the poll for "both"? ;)