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Akira13

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Well, I just did some initial testing (mostly playing games). Let's start at the beginning:

The packaging is not very good. They chose to lose the anti-static bag for the showy window. It kinda makes me nervous to see something like that. However, my card was not damaged (I suppose that the packaging protected it, but when I pulled the cellophane away from the box, it did produce some static charge). Everyone should remember to use a static wrist band anyway.

The contents are: The board, a manual (really sparse documentation), the vivo connector (s-video in and out only), an s-video cable, MDKII, a driver CD (WinDVD, drivers, and an overclocking utility) and a DVI-VGA converter.

The card itself is fairly large (it's larger than my old GF2 GTS). It's not so large that it wouldn't fit into my Epox 8KHA+ (unlike the Visiontek GF4 Ti4600). I didn't have to do too much rearranging in my case either in terms of cables. The card is also realtively heavy, which leads me to think that the heatsinks are made of aluminum. However, the heatsinks still leave me in doubt. The gold coating seems to be plastic (at least, to the touch). I don't have any way to determine if it is anodized aluminum or not. They do, however, conduct heat fairly well (ie: they get warm to the touch while the computer is idle). The fan is quiet. I cannot hear it over my current setup (the Volcano 7+ on low is the loudest part of my rig).

As for ease of installation, I run WinXP Pro, so I just dropped it in, and it was recognized. I downloaded the latest drivers from Guru3D, with the refresh fix. The documentation with the card suggested that their drivers were out of date (there was an insert advising downloading drivers that didn't make it in before publishing time from Chaintech's Taiwanese website).

Now for the preformance tests. While I am very sleepy, I did force myself to play some games (yeah, like that was hard...). Grand Theft Auto III ran great. I previously ran on the lowest resolution, with all of the eye candy off. I was able to turn on the eye candy, and bump up the resolution a little before I noticed a slowdown. It was practically unplayable on 1280x1024x32. The only problem I had was that, for the first time ever, GTAIII crashed on me. I'm not sure if it was the card's fault, or if it was just a random occurrence. It happened when I had the resolution at 1280x1024. Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast was always very video card limited on my system. When I tried it again with this card, I found that I could play at 1280x1024x32, with all the settings turned up, without a problem. I probably could've turned the resolution higher.

After I quit the games, I noticed that my CPU and ambient temperatures were one to two degrees celcius higher than they were with my GF2. Normally, my CPU doesn't go above 45C at full (GTAIII) load. I reached a new high of 48C with this card.

If I think of more, I'll post later. Otherwise, good luck to everyone.
 

MaximusPSO

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Great information Akira13!!! That was a fantastic review. One question. Has it locked up on you anymore since then? Thanks. :D
 

Akira13

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I have not had a chance to "test" GTAIII more, but I will look for lockups. So far, it has not locked up on me since that one time. Meanwhile, I decided to try the TV-out function. So I checked the manual. The manual is very poor, and did not cover any VIVO or dual CRT functions (which I will test later). Then I checked the settings tabs in my display properties, and I could not get the TV-out to select (it was greyed out). I'm gonna find a solution to this eventually, but if anyone can tell me why it was greyed out, that would be great. I'm using the 29.42 drivers (I didn't install any Chaintech software whatsoever).
 

memories2002

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i was thinking of an gf4 ti4200 gainward gs 128mb to last me 3 years atleast as my gaming will be 800x600....but now im somehow leaning toward a radeon8500 .... what do you guys think ?
 

happybob

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akira, did you try to enable the tv-out in nview? nview is one of the tabs in the display setting control panel.
 

rawhyde

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Akira, how about overclocking? The Visionteks and Gainwards seem to make it to 300/550 or so... does this come close? Better? BTW I saw a post over on a Firingsquad board from a guy with a Leadtek card that hit 320/650... not bad for a ~ $160 card, just wish it had 128MB of RAM...
 

Akira13

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Originally posted by: happybob
akira, did you try to enable the tv-out in nview? nview is one of the tabs in the display setting control panel.

Here's what I did in an attempt to enable TV out: under display properties, I selected settings, advanced, nView, device settings: select output device. When I got to the final window, There were three selections: analog display, digital display, and tv. The analog display was the only one available (digital and tv were greyed out). So far, that's been the only way I can think of to enable TV out.

As for overclocking, I haven't tried that yet. The card did come with an overclocking utility, however I have not even touched the install CD. I'm not too comfortable overclocking my video card because I have no direct way to monitor the temperature other than to watch my CPU and case temps, and physically open the case and feel the card itself. That will probably be the last thing I do in terms of testing.

Oh, I ran 3Dmark2001SE, and it gave me a score of almost 9000, as compared to my previous 2500 (if I remember correctly) with my GF2 GTS. I'll try to verify my old score (I don't remember where I wrote that down...).
 

bobdobolina

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Hi all,

I picked up the Asus V8420 128mb ti4200 the other day and after some initial issues and a call to tech support I finally got it working. I have the core/mem at 315/545mhz overclocked and that seemed pretty damn good to me. However, I am getting really LOW 3dmark numbers. They're in the range of 6600-6800. Pretty crappy based on the other numbers I have seen online. I am running a PIII 650@ 897mhz o/c'd with 512 mb of RAM on an Asus CUV4X MBoard. Any Ideas why it's giving such low numbers? Thanks!
 

happybob

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akira 13,

need to make sure you are connected to the tv w/ s-video cable before you get into nview. if the tv doesn't just show up as an option, do an auto-detect to see if it finds anything.
 

Holmecollie

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Originally posted by: bobdobolina
Hi all,

I picked up the Asus V8420 128mb ti4200 the other day and after some initial issues and a call to tech support I finally got it working. I have the core/mem at 315/545mhz overclocked and that seemed pretty damn good to me. However, I am getting really LOW 3dmark numbers. They're in the range of 6600-6800. Pretty crappy based on the other numbers I have seen online. I am running a PIII 650@ 897mhz o/c'd with 512 mb of RAM on an Asus CUV4X MBoard. Any Ideas why it's giving such low numbers? Thanks!


Most people benching use AMD XP or Intel P4 proccessors and DDR ram... that's why everyone elses scores are better than urs...

 

Techronious

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Originally posted by: happybob
akira 13,

need to make sure you are connected to the tv w/ s-video cable before you get into nview. if the tv doesn't just show up as an option, do an auto-detect to see if it finds anything.

Agreed, make sure you have the tv connected to the computer first. I don't know if you've already tried that, but it won't work if the tv isn't already connected.
 

Techronious

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Originally posted by: bobdobolina
Hi all,

I picked up the Asus V8420 128mb ti4200 the other day and after some initial issues and a call to tech support I finally got it working. I have the core/mem at 315/545mhz overclocked and that seemed pretty damn good to me. However, I am getting really LOW 3dmark numbers. They're in the range of 6600-6800. Pretty crappy based on the other numbers I have seen online. I am running a PIII 650@ 897mhz o/c'd with 512 mb of RAM on an Asus CUV4X MBoard. Any Ideas why it's giving such low numbers? Thanks!

Like the other guy said, i think your cpu and memory are holding you back. The really high scores will come from DDR or Rambus memory and p4's or XP's. Good luck though.

EDIT: A good way to check if something is wrong is checking madonion's online results browser (ORB) and looking for processors around your speed that share a similar video card (g4 4200). If something is wrong, and your scores should be a lot higher, then you will know by seeing other people's scores on the ORB.
 

Krayzie13

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I just got my Chaintech G4 Ti4200 128meg GT21 today. I like it a lot so far. I noticed someone asking about OCing it, I have mine at 300/550 right now haven't tried any higher, but so far so good with those speeds. I've ran 3DMark 2k and 2k, DS benchmark and used the Artifact tester 5 on hardcore and all has checked out fine so far. I read yesterday someone had theirs at 310/560 and running fine but I'll probably leave mine at this speed for now. My 3DMark 2001 score on default is 7833 which I think is pretty good for my system!


Specs:
Asus A7V
Tbird 1.4Ghz (200mhz fsb)
512 pc133
 

happybob

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i think i'm probably going to get the gainward 4200 128mb vivo version or the msi 4200 128mb version w/o video-in. i haven't made up my mind yet whether i need the vivo, but since the price difference is only $20, i thought i might as well just go for it. i've ruled out the chaintech and evga 4200s since both of their vivo versions seem incomplete. neither one comes with the software to take advantage of the video in. the chaintech only comes with s-video in, which is really limited. also based on reviews, both evga and chaintech's heatsink/fan designs seem to produce mixed results.

i've seen reviews for the msi 4200 64mb version, but not the 128mb one. anyone who owns this card? i would like to know in particular how the gainward compares to the msi in terms of 2-D quality and overclockablity.

 

gennro

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bought a Visiontex Xtasy ti 4200 128 se at walmart for 200 bucks and have it at 315/600
 

recluser

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Hey Gennro,

Picked up the Walmart Visiontek 4200 also. Got a great deal on a closeout. OC out of the box to 315/560 w/ stock cooling.
Pretty sweet care, eh!
 

mellondust

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Originally posted by: bobdobolina
Hi all,

I picked up the Asus V8420 128mb ti4200 the other day and after some initial issues and a call to tech support I finally got it working. I have the core/mem at 315/545mhz overclocked and that seemed pretty damn good to me. However, I am getting really LOW 3dmark numbers. They're in the range of 6600-6800. Pretty crappy based on the other numbers I have seen online. I am running a PIII 650@ 897mhz o/c'd with 512 mb of RAM on an Asus CUV4X MBoard. Any Ideas why it's giving such low numbers? Thanks!

bobdobolina,

Please tell me how this card works with your system. I have a similar set up and have been debating on getting a geforce 4 ti4200 128, but I have had concerns about the card being just to much for my system. What specific differences have you noticed with this card compared to your old card. Have fps really increased, or can you just crank up the setting but with similar fps. I want to get this card but can't seem to do it if it only gives me the same performance as a geforce 3 or r8500 on my system. Please give all the details you can and your overall impression.

Thanks
 

rawhyde

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I just noticed Newegg now lists another flavor of the Gainward 4200 128MB card, this one still has all the overclocking features of the original Golden Sample, but lacks a DVI output and TV-in (i.e. just has CRT and TV-out). Should be available in a couple of days for $185 shipped, so you basically save $20 for no DVI and no TV-in. The other great deal is the Visiontek card at buy.com, $169 shipped after $20 rebate and 10% discover card discount.
 

Akira13

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I finally got the TV-out to work. Thanks to everyone's suggestions. I had it hooked through an A/V switch, but I guess the signal wasn't passing through. So I had to connect them directly (carrying my TV over to my computer wasn't easy). The TV-out works great, except for the fact that I can only run at 800x600 resolution when I "clone" the monitors. Later today I'll test the Dual CRT features. I still need to find software for video-in usage. Can anyone recommend a free Video-in program? I have some proprietary software (from Intel), which I will use if I can't find anything else. Overclocking comes later...
 

Tom

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happybob,

re your comments about the Chaintech and Evga being incomplete as far as VIVO, I thought the EVGA came with Powerdirector 2.0me ?

As far as the Chaintech though as far as I've heard it comes with no VIVO software.

AKIRA13, can you confirm that the Chaintech doesn't come with any video editing software?

TIA!
 

Akira13

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There were 2 discs included with the Chaintech GT21: MDKII and a "VGA Utility" disc. The vid util disc lists "TurboGfx," WinDVD, 3Deep, Video-In Drivers, Microsoft DirectX 8.1, Detonators 28.32 for Win9X/Me/2K/XP. I suppose "Video-In Drivers" might be something worth trying, but I haven't had the chance yet.
 

rawhyde

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Akira, any OC reports yet?

Also, for those interested (like me) Newegg just added the Leadtek 128MB 4200 card (w/ VIVO) to their site, @ 206 shipped that's a little steeper price than I'd like. That being said, early reports indicate these overclock really well...

BTW, anyone with the Gainward 128 Golden Sample... does it come with 3.6ns RAM or just high quality 4ns? Thanks.
 

kami

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I have the MSI 128MB. 2d quality looks a bit better than my old Asus GF2 GTS, the ram is Samsung 4ns chips and right now my card's at 285/550...gonna try a bit higher later. It shipped at a default of 250/446
 

Akira13

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I searched the Chaintech disc for the "Video-In" drivers advertised, but no luck. I suppose they simply meant the detonators. Also, the box advertises Aquanox as being included (as does the software case), but I didn't get a copy of Aquanox. I suppose you get what you pay for. No overclocking yet, the TurboGFX software that came with it doesn't work for me. I start it, it chimes, and then quits almost instantly. I'm gonna have to get the Geforce Tweak Utility for this...