Which one of these 3 Ti4200 ?

[ledfortr]

Done, just cancelled other order and ordered the 8420s from newegg.

Jeff, you should get a commission

 

[Harabecw]

Originally posted by: ledfortr
8x agp (which has little value currently but soon will be a factor)

Not really.
Its getting replaced by PCI Express in a year or two anyway.

 

[Yggsdrasil]

Does anyone know about the MSI card?

I am buying a card to tide me over for a while and I know I'll buy new one again soon for Doom3, so I don't mind so much not having the best. I am somewhat tempted by the software included with the MSI card.

 

[CraigRT]

When I first got my 128MB 4200, most of the reviews were swinging towards the MSI card for best bang for buck/overclocking for a 128MB card.

not sure if it's still that way, but i had no problems with my MSI card.
the new Albatron turbo or whatever it is, is way cool though, might want to take a look at that one!!

 

[Ilmater]

I just bought the exact ASUS card you listed from Newegg. I put it in last night and, with stock cooling, got it to a stable 320/690! That's far past 4600 speeds! Even if you don't overclock, it comes stock at 260/550, which is only 15MHz core below the Ti4400. You can't beat that deal!

I should also add that, assuming you will overclock, there ar two other factors that set the ASUS card apart from the other two. First off, it has the same 8-layer PCB that the Ti4600 has. This makes for cleaner signals, especially if you're wanting higher speeds. It also has 3.3ns RAM, and I know the other two don't. Even if you don't want to overclock now, you could always overclock down the road some time when things aren't going as fast as you'd like them to.

 

[Yggsdrasil]

I went with the MSI yesterday. Knowing I will buy another one in the next 6-12 months kept me from worrying too much about the best. My old GF2 Ti was handling everything I have been doing quite well, so this should be a good step up.

It was the software that got me with MSI:
Ghost Recon
Morrowind
Duke Nukem
Virtual Drive
RestoreIt
WinDVD
And about 10 or so more that aren't as axciting.

I wanted to buy Ghost Recon and Morrowind anyway.

It does sound like the Asus is a real champ though. If neither one came with software I would have gone with Asus.

IlmaterIlmaterIlmater: "The Tick" Rocks!

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Ilmater
I just bought the exact ASUS card you listed from Newegg. I put it in last night and, with stock cooling, got it to a stable 320/690! That's far past 4600 speeds! Even if you don't overclock, it comes stock at 260/550, which is only 15MHz core below the Ti4400. You can't beat that deal!

I should also add that, assuming you will overclock, there ar two other factors that set the ASUS card apart from the other two. First off, it has the same 8-layer PCB that the Ti4600 has. This makes for cleaner signals, especially if you're wanting higher speeds. It also has 3.3ns RAM, and I know the other two don't. Even if you don't want to overclock now, you could always overclock down the road some time when things aren't going as fast as you'd like them to.

Ti4200 128 origionally used 4.0ns RAM... 64 mb model used 3.6ns, which is what most Ti4200's are using now
Ti4400's use 3.3ns RAM
Ti4600's use 2.8ns RAM

The Asus V8420S uses 3.3ns RAM... but it uses the Ti4600's PCB like Ilmater said... so you can look at it two different ways... it's a Ti4600's with slow RAM... or a Ti4400 with a slow core speed.

In my opinion it should be sold as a Ti4400 because you can reliably bump the GPU up to 275 on every card I'd be willing to bet. However... I"m glad it's sold as a Ti4200 cause Ti4400's are still around $200 =)

*EDIT* By the way... you're not getting ANY tearing with the memory at 690? What happens if you increase the GPU speed?

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: ledfortr
Done, just cancelled other order and ordered the 8420s from newegg.

Jeff, you should get a commission

That's the 4th time this week I've been told I should sell computers for a living.

 

[Intelman07]

Asus! It has the 8 layer pcb so its like the 4600!

 

[PLaYaHaTeD]

am i the only one that knows you can get a geforce fx 5600 ultra at newegg for 215 dollars? why the F*** would you consider a ti4200 for this amount of money? Check it out

 

[ledfortr]

Using Rivatuner
300/665
3dmark 2001se 12142
Stock Cooling
Asus 8420s

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: PLaYaHaTeD
am i the only one that knows you can get a geforce fx 5600 ultra at newegg for 215 dollars? why the F*** would you consider a ti4200 for this amount of money? Check it out

I'd rather not waste an extra $70 on something I'm not going to want in 6 months. Considering I sold my Gainward Ti4200 for $125 and got this Asus for $140... I'd say I made a pretty good choice.

 

[Yggsdrasil]

Originally posted by: PLaYaHaTeD
am i the only one that knows you can get a geforce fx 5600 ultra at newegg for 215 dollars? why the F*** would you consider a ti4200 for this amount of money? Check it out

Maybe we don't want to pay the extra $100 for that card. Especially when we know we will more than like buy another one soon for full dx9 and the new generation of games like doom3. When we can get a 4200 for 115 at newegg that extra 100 is quite a difference. Why would you bother with a 5600 when you can get a 5900 for 340? What's an extra 100 right?

 

[PLaYaHaTeD]

Originally posted by: ledfortr
Here is the breakdown

V9280S/TVD (SuperFast) : GeForce4 Ti 4200-8X, AGP 8X, 128MB DDR, TV-out, Video-in, DVI, 2nd VGA. using an 8-layer Ti 4600 PCB a 275MHz core speed, and a 600MHz memory. Samsung 3.3ns BGA RAM chips

V9280 VS (Video Suite) : GeForce4 Ti 4200-8X, AGP 8X (Fan Speed Control), 128MB DDR, TV-out, Video-in, Dual DVI, 2nd VGA.

V9280 TD : GeForce4 Ti 4200-8X, AGP 8X, 64MB/128MB DDR, TV-out, DVI, 2nd VGA

The 9280TD and VS are running at 3.6ns RAM chips.

The retail for these things have pretty staggering differences

9280S retail: $215
9280TS Retail: $130
9280VS retail: $150

Guys, I was referring to this guy who was considering the 9280S which he says is $215. This is the exact price for a 5600U as previously posted. As far as a 4200 that can be had for 100 dollars less (Or even a 75 dollar difference), of course there is a reason to purchase one of these.

 

[Neolicious]

Hey guys...just was catching up on this discussion.

What games are going to use/require DX9 in the near future? Doom3? Half-Life 2?? And let me get something straight...if a card, such as the NVIDIA Ti4200, doesn't support DX9, does that mean it will not run a DX9 game at all...or just at a lesser performance level? Please advise.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Neolicious
Hey guys...just was catching up on this discussion.

What games are going to use/require DX9 in the near future? Doom3? Half-Life 2?? And let me get something straight...if a card, such as the NVIDIA Ti4200, doesn't support DX9, does that mean it will not run a DX9 game at all...or just at a lesser performance level? Please advise.

Doom3 and HL2 will use some DX9 features, but not require DX9.
A Ti4200 should run DX9 games in software more... which means, no hardware acceleration like pixels shaders, etc. It would be similar to the way a GeForce4 MX420 runs current DX8.1 games like Quake 3 and UT2k3

 

[Neolicious]

Thanks for the reply...

Do you think an video upgrade is a good idea for me at this point? Here are the relevant (i.e., excluding crap like CD-Rs and so on) my specs, including current video card:

Intel P4 2.26 GHZ
Audigy 2
GeForce 3 Ti 200 with DVI
19 in. Trinitron monitor
512MB RAMBUS

At most concern is some performance issues in recent games (and, of course, the always prevalent BF: 1942). After upgrading from SB Live! to the Audigy 2 almost soley for the sound-related performance problems I had in BF:1942, I'm still having issues. I'm guessing my video card is the culprit? Anyway, not trying to make this into a BF:1942 performance thread...

Would it make sense to go with the Ti 4200? I imagine if I did, my system would still scream with some HL-2 and Doom 3 action..?? I don't want to have to upgrade again for another 1.5 years or more...

Thanks!! I appreciate your advice...

 

[Jeff7181]

Well... you need to consider a few things... do you want to enable Anti-Aliasing and Ansiotropic Filtering for improved image quality? If so, the smartest choice right now would be an ATI, because they don't take as big a performance hit with those enabled as nVidia cards do... the GeForce FX's are better at it than GeForce 4's, but still not as good as ATI's. For around $200 I'd recommend either a 9500 Pro or 9700 non pro. (the 9700 will be slightly faster than the 9500 Pro)
Then again... if you don't need those features turned on... then I'd recommend the Asus V8420S. It can be overclocked to above Ti4600 speeds as I've said before... and it's only $140... so you're getting Ti4600 performance for $140... not too shabby.
To be honest... not upgrading for 2-3 years is a little unrealistic in my eyes. I realize you're using a GeForce3 that you've probably had for 2 years at least... but you're having trouble play games now. I like to upgrade things before my old hardware is useless to everyone else too. I end up paying about $25-50, but I'm never in the situation where I can't enjoy a game because my hardware won't run it at an adequate speed.
I play BF1942 too... and without AF and AA on, I get around 70-80 FPS... good enough for me. I plan on upgrading again this fall to maybe a GeForce FX with the NV35 core that's just coming out now... because by this fall, the NV40 should be about ready to make it's way onto shelves.

I know I haven't really given you an answer... so if I were you, here's what I'd do...

If I have $200, I'd get a 9500 Pro or 9700 non-pro... if $150 would be easier to come up with, I'd go with the same card I have right now... Asus V8420S.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Well... you need to consider a few things... do you want to enable Anti-Aliasing and Ansiotropic Filtering for improved image quality? If so, the smartest choice right now would be an ATI, because they don't take as big a performance hit with those enabled as nVidia cards do... the GeForce FX's are better at it than GeForce 4's, but still not as good as ATI's. For around $200 I'd recommend either a 9500 Pro or 9700 non pro. (the 9700 will be slightly faster than the 9500 Pro)
Then again... if you don't need those features turned on... then I'd recommend the Asus V8420S. It can be overclocked to above Ti4600 speeds as I've said before... and it's only $140... so you're getting Ti4600 performance for $140... not too shabby.
To be honest... not upgrading for 2-3 years is a little unrealistic in my eyes. I realize you're using a GeForce3 that you've probably had for 2 years at least... but you're having trouble play games now. I like to upgrade things before my old hardware is useless to everyone else too. I end up paying about $25-50, but I'm never in the situation where I can't enjoy a game because my hardware won't run it at an adequate speed.
I play BF1942 too... and without AF and AA on, I get around 70-80 FPS... good enough for me. I plan on upgrading again this fall to maybe a GeForce FX with the NV35 core that's just coming out now... because by this fall, the NV40 should be about ready to make it's way onto shelves.

I know I haven't really given you an answer... so if I were you, here's what I'd do...

If I have $200, I'd get a 9500 Pro or 9700 non-pro... if $150 would be easier to come up with, I'd go with the same card I have right now... Asus V8420S.

hmmm, do i want smooth or crunchy?

reply

'egg salad"

huh?

 

[ledfortr]

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Originally posted by: PLaYaHaTeD

Guys, I was referring to this guy who was considering the 9280S which he says is $215. This is the exact price for a 5600U as previously posted. As far as a 4200 that can be had for 100 dollars less (Or even a 75 dollar difference), of course there is a reason to purchase one of these.

I wasn't considering buying the 9280s, just listing the price. I went with the 8420s and am very happy with it.

 

[Spacecomber]

I went with the Asus V8420S (just got it last week). For me the choice was between this card for $140 or paying a bit more and getting an OEM 9500 Pro. I also noticed that Mwave has the V8420 Deluxe for around $165, if you want to get Hardware monitoring, VR, and VIVO with your card.

I put up my own quicky review of the card, here, if the information in the above posts wasn't enough for you to read.

Space

 

[Neolicious]

Thanks for your advice, Jeff...as well as to the others in this thread. I purchased the Asus V8420S from Newegg. I know I'll be happy with this choice just from the public reviews...

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Spacecomber
I went with the Asus V8420S (just got it last week). For me the choice was between this card for $140 or paying a bit more and getting an OEM 9500 Pro. I also noticed that Mwave has the V8420 Deluxe for around $165, if you want to get Hardware monitoring, VR, and VIVO with your card.

I put up my own quicky review of the card, here, if the information in the above posts wasn't enough for you to read.

Space

The Deluxe model doesn't have the 3.3ns RAM I don't think.

 

[Spacecomber]

Check the reviews of the V8420S that I list at the end of the write-up that I link to in my post. The V8420S is essentially a stripped down V8420 Deluxe from what I read.

Space

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Spacecomber
Check the reviews of the V8420S that I list at the end of the write-up that I link to in my post. The V8420S is essentially a stripped down V8420 Deluxe from what I read.

Space

So basically the deluxe comes with VIVO and 3D glasses