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Which of these setups would you choose (860 vs. 920)?

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Jumpem

Lifer
Intel Core i7 920, Microcenter, $199.99
ZALMAN CNPS10X Extreme, Newegg, $59.99
ASUS P6T, Newegg, $239.99
G.Skill F3-12800CL6T-6GBTD, Newegg, $169.99
Radeon HD 5870, Newegg, $379.99
TOTAL: $1,083.94

Intel Core i7 860, Microcenter, $229.99
ZALMAN CNPS10X Extreme, Newegg, $59.99
ASUS P7P55D Pro, Newegg, $169.99
G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH * 2, Newegg, $189.98
Radeon HD 5870, Newegg, $379.99
TOTAL: $1,063.93

The i7 920 system comes to a mere $20 more.

The i7 920 would be easier to overclock, but use more power and run hotter. The i7 860 would be faster out of the box, and more efficient power wise. Not sure if I would need something better than a Corsair HX520 for the i7 920?
 
If you plan to overclock heavily (or overclock only on stock voltage), or run a SLI / Crossfire setup in the future, go with i7 / X58. If you want less power consumption, less heat, and better stock speeds, go with i5 or i7 / P55.

Personally, my overclocking days are pretty much over (don't need all the power and don't have much time to fool around with it), and I don't plan on running SLI or Crossfire due to power consumption and heat.
 
I just went through the same dilemma, and got my processor from Microcenter. What basically sent me to the 920 was the heatsink compatibility, there didn't seem to be much choice for the 1156 at the moment, but all of the stuff you mentioned was also thought through and the words f*** it were uttered under my breath and I said gimme the 920 to the slightly pimply faced sales guy at Microcenter.

920 + 6gb Corsair ram + MSI X58M = 517
860 + 4gb GSkill + MSI P55-GD65 = 498

I went with the 920 and am awaiting a Prolimatech Megahalem to start the build. I know I went pretty much bottom of the line on X58 boards vs a mid grade 1156, but it should fit my needs.
 
Originally posted by: Jumpem
Intel Core i7 920, Microcenter, $199.99
ZALMAN CNPS10X Extreme, Newegg, $59.99
ASUS P6T, Newegg, $239.99
G.Skill F3-12800CL6T-6GBTD, Newegg, $169.99
Radeon HD 5870, Newegg, $379.99
TOTAL: $1,083.94

Intel Core i7 860, Microcenter, $229.99
ZALMAN CNPS10X Extreme, Newegg, $59.99
ASUS P7P55D Pro, Newegg, $169.99
G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH * 2, Newegg, $189.98
Radeon HD 5870, Newegg, $379.99
TOTAL: $1,063.93
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Option #3:

Intel Core i7 860, Microcenter, $229.99
ASRock P55 Extreme LGA 1156 $149.99
G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH $88.99 or 12800CL7D-4GBRH $94.99
Radeon 5850 $259.99 * 2 = $519.98
Prolimatech Megahalems $45.86
Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-14 or AP-15 $15.99
1156 Bracket $6.99 (free shipping) <-- but you don't necessarily need this since the board supports S775 🙂

Total: $1,058-$1,064

If you go with your Asus board, add another $20 => $1,084

Even if that Core i7 920 setup gets to 4.2ghz, your 3.8ghz Core i7 860 setup with dual 5850s will clean up! :music:

 
Im a hardcore 1336 fan; but Russians option #3 looks pretty spank if you dont mind dual GPU setup

It sucks all the prices are spiking with everything, a few months ago u coulda been a 1336 owner with 12gb for like 50$ cheaper than ur 1156 setup

*edit*

Actually i did the math on that from my i7 purchase a few months ago and it came out to 982 for nearly the exact same setup; only difference is my ram is 1600@7 vs @6 but i have twice as much.... i swear to god 1156 made 1336 prices spike for some reason
 
Originally posted by: Ben90
It sucks all the prices are spiking with everything, a few months ago u coulda been a 1336 owner with 12gb for like 50$ cheaper than ur 1156 setup

*edit*

Actually i did the math on that from my i7 purchase a few months ago and it came out to 982 for nearly the exact same setup; only difference is my ram is 1600@7 vs @6 but i have twice as much.... i swear to god 1156 made 1336 prices spike for some reason
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Yeah, it's crazy how much the prices have gone up on DDR3 since P55 came out. I'm sure it's a scheme to max profits out but sucks for the consumer.

I bought my original X58 with 2x2GB because memory prices were very inflated. When DDR3 dropped down to ~15$/GB, I bought another 2GB just for kicks since it seemed so cheap even though I don't need tri-channel over dual-channel.

Now, it's almost like DDR3 prices are back to the old prices from last year when X58 first came out, which is absolutely ridiculous.
 
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Originally posted by: Jumpem
Intel Core i7 920, Microcenter, $199.99
ZALMAN CNPS10X Extreme, Newegg, $59.99
ASUS P6T, Newegg, $239.99
G.Skill F3-12800CL6T-6GBTD, Newegg, $169.99
Radeon HD 5870, Newegg, $379.99
TOTAL: $1,083.94

Intel Core i7 860, Microcenter, $229.99
ZALMAN CNPS10X Extreme, Newegg, $59.99
ASUS P7P55D Pro, Newegg, $169.99
G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH * 2, Newegg, $189.98
Radeon HD 5870, Newegg, $379.99
TOTAL: $1,063.93
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Option #3:

Intel Core i7 860, Microcenter, $229.99
ASRock P55 Extreme LGA 1156 $149.99
G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH $88.99 or 12800CL7D-4GBRH $94.99
Radeon 5850 $259.99 * 2 = $519.98
Prolimatech Megahalems $45.86
Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-14 or AP-15 $15.99
1156 Bracket $6.99 (free shipping) <-- but you don't necessarily need this since the board supports S775 🙂

Total: $1,058-$1,064

If you go with your Asus board, add another $20 => $1,084

Even if that Core i7 920 setup gets to 4.2ghz, your 3.8ghz Core i7 860 setup with dual 5850s will clean up! :music:
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An ASRock X58 Extreme($170) i7 920 with a dual 5850 GPU, would spank your configuration for not much more. 😉

The extra $20 price for the motherboard can be negated by the $30 in savings you get on an i7 920.
 
Originally posted by: Lothar

An ASRock X58 Extreme($170) i7 920 with a dual 5850 GPU, would spank your configuration for not much more. 😉

The extra $20 price for the motherboard can be negated by the $30 in savings you get on an i7 920.
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That's also sound advice. Although I would never say that a Core i7 920 would spank the 860 since the 920 will likely top out at 200-300mhz more at most. However, with that comes significantly higher power consumption at both idle and load. It's a toss up. The x58 platform ends up costing more no matter what due to electricity bills, but it will be 10% faster once overclocking is taken into account as you have implied. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Originally posted by: Jumpem
Intel Core i7 920, Microcenter, $199.99
ZALMAN CNPS10X Extreme, Newegg, $59.99
ASUS P6T, Newegg, $239.99
G.Skill F3-12800CL6T-6GBTD, Newegg, $169.99
Radeon HD 5870, Newegg, $379.99
TOTAL: $1,083.94

Intel Core i7 860, Microcenter, $229.99
ZALMAN CNPS10X Extreme, Newegg, $59.99
ASUS P7P55D Pro, Newegg, $169.99
G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB F3-12800CL7D-4GBRH * 2, Newegg, $189.98
Radeon HD 5870, Newegg, $379.99
TOTAL: $1,063.93
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Option #3:

Intel Core i7 860, Microcenter, $229.99
ASRock P55 Extreme LGA 1156 $149.99
G.Skill Ripjaws 4GB F3-10666CL7D-4GBRH $88.99 or 12800CL7D-4GBRH $94.99
Radeon 5850 $259.99 * 2 = $519.98
Prolimatech Megahalems $45.86
Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-14 or AP-15 $15.99
1156 Bracket $6.99 (free shipping) <-- but you don't necessarily need this since the board supports S775 🙂

Total: $1,058-$1,064

If you go with your Asus board, add another $20 => $1,084

Even if that Core i7 920 setup gets to 4.2ghz, your 3.8ghz Core i7 860 setup with dual 5850s will clean up! :music:
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one problem with op. 3

and that is psu requirements.
 
Other problems: not every game title scales with dual GPU, AFR microstutter, input lag, problems running multiple MMO clients in windowed mode, cooling... And the list goes on.
 
well if i had to build a system:

i7 920 D0... or W3520
Foxconn bloodrage or Giggybyte X58 series
DDR3 1600mhz ram... be smart with the divider, and use 7-8-7-7-16 timings.
(pick your preference of gpu)
a PSU of at least 550-600W for 1 gpu, if your going multi gpu's a 750 class or higher.

Im not impressed with the i5 at all. I personally dont see the point in the P55 if were gonna be using dedicated gfx controllers.
 
Originally posted by: aigomorla
one problem with op. 3

and that is psu requirements.
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Yes, this too. I have a Corsair HX520 now. I would need to add another $150 for a new PSU with dual video cards.
 
Originally posted by: v8envy
Other problems: not every game title scales with dual GPU, AFR microstutter, input lag, problems running multiple MMO clients in windowed mode, cooling... And the list goes on.
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Are these problems also persistent with dual GPU single cards?
 
I love my Asrock x58 Extreme, and am glad I went 1366 i7 920.

Any of the above options are going to push your current PSU.
 
Originally posted by: jjmIII

Any of the above options are going to push your current PSU.
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I agree that it will stress the PSU but it's certainly doable. Here is my reasoning:

A Core i7 920 @ 3.33ghz + 5870 uses up 299 watts of power in Warcraft 3. Of course Warcraft 3 is not the most demanding application out there. But, testing maximum GPU consumption in OCCT and CPU consumption with Linpack or Prime95 at the same time to get say 450Watts produces rather meaningless results. This is because you will likely never be able to stress the cpu and gpu in the manner both of these programs do at the same time. In fact at 80% efficiency, you have another 117 watts to spare.

Here is a 550 Watt In-Win powering a GTX 295 + Core i7 920. You can see that in 3dMark06, the maximum power consumption was only 357 watts. The maximum theoretical output with Furmark + Prime 95 was 503 watts, but with dual GT200s.

Considering Corsair HX520W can do 520W under load and still maintain 3.36V on 3.3V rail and 11.95-11.98V on 12V rail, it should be able to handle a 4.0ghz Core i7 920 and single 5870 under load without a lot of trouble.

The major downside though is likely going to be increased fan speed/noise due to higher load.
 
Originally posted by: jjmIII
I love my Asrock x58 Extreme, and am glad I went 1366 i7 920.

Any of the above options are going to push your current PSU.
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How do you come up with that conclusion? You realize that a 5870 only uses as much power under load as a 4890? A decent 520W PSU will have no trouble at all running a 5870 and an OC'd i7.

As far as choosing between the options, my opinion is that unless you run benchmarks for a living, or would really need a 6-core cpu as soon as it's available, you could get as good or better performance from an i7 860, and save yourself money in the process. If money matters, I'd go with the 860.
 
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Originally posted by: jjmIII

Any of the above options are going to push your current PSU.
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I agree that it will stress the PSU but it's certainly doable. Here is my reasoning:

A Core i7 920 @ 3.33ghz + 5870 uses up 299 watts of power in Warcraft 3. Of course Warcraft 3 is not the most demanding application out there. But, testing maximum GPU consumption in OCCT and CPU consumption with Linpack or Prime95 at the same time to get say 450Watts produces rather meaningless results. This is because you will likely never be able to stress the cpu and gpu in the manner both of these programs do at the same time. In fact at 80% efficiency, you have another 117 watts to spare.

Here is a 550 Watt In-Win powering a GTX 295 + Core i7 920. You can see that in 3dMark06, the maximum power consumption was only 357 watts. The maximum theoretical output with Furmark + Prime 95 was 503 watts, but with dual GT200s.

Considering Corsair HX520W can do 520W under load and still maintain 3.36V on 3.3V rail and 11.95-11.98V on 12V rail, it should be able to handle a 4.0ghz Core i7 920 and single 5870 under load without a lot of trouble.

The major downside though is likely going to be increased fan speed/noise due to higher load.
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I agree.
I don't understand why most people think you'd need 750w or more for sli/cf setup.
620HX will even run 3x CF 5850 with i7 920.
520HX will run 2x CF 4890 with i7 920.

 
Originally posted by: PUN
Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Originally posted by: jjmIII

Any of the above options are going to push your current PSU.
Click to expand...

I agree that it will stress the PSU but it's certainly doable. Here is my reasoning:

A Core i7 920 @ 3.33ghz + 5870 uses up 299 watts of power in Warcraft 3. Of course Warcraft 3 is not the most demanding application out there. But, testing maximum GPU consumption in OCCT and CPU consumption with Linpack or Prime95 at the same time to get say 450Watts produces rather meaningless results. This is because you will likely never be able to stress the cpu and gpu in the manner both of these programs do at the same time. In fact at 80% efficiency, you have another 117 watts to spare.

Here is a 550 Watt In-Win powering a GTX 295 + Core i7 920. You can see that in 3dMark06, the maximum power consumption was only 357 watts. The maximum theoretical output with Furmark + Prime 95 was 503 watts, but with dual GT200s.

Considering Corsair HX520W can do 520W under load and still maintain 3.36V on 3.3V rail and 11.95-11.98V on 12V rail, it should be able to handle a 4.0ghz Core i7 920 and single 5870 under load without a lot of trouble.

The major downside though is likely going to be increased fan speed/noise due to higher load.
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I agree.
I don't understand why most people think you'd need 750w or more for sli/cf setup.
620HX will even run 3x CF 5850 with i7 920.
520HX will run 2x CF 4890 with i7 920.
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Cause most people are dumbasses. 🙂

Nothing wrong with running either option with your HX520.

170W for the GPU, same for CPU (if you really bump the voltage to hell) and we are only at 340W, that is on the 12V. Add in the rest of the crap and we are safely under 400W, and no single rail is pushed to limits.

Don't know why you insist on that Zalman heatsink when there are better options available.
 
Originally posted by: PUN


I agree.
I don't understand why most people think you'd need 750w or more for sli/cf setup.
620HX will even run 3x CF 5850 with i7 920.
520HX will run 2x CF 4890 with i7 920.
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assume 80% is the max load on the psu listed value.

So something that says 520 -20% = 416W

My current system wont do unless i get a 1kw or higher PSU.
But i have a majorly overpowered system.

i7 975 @ 4.4ghz /w HT ON
eVGA Classified.
2 x HD4870X2 in Xfire
12 Fans
4 hard drives.

🙂

You guys dont want to know the idle of my main system. :X
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...la/Haruhi/IMG_1385.jpg
 
I burned up an OCZ 600 watt good PSU with just 2 8800GT's and a C2D @ 3.2 !

Some of the newer video cards take less than the older ones.

You can never have too much PSU, but not enough can spell disaster to an entire system when it dies, if it is not enough. Always err on the side of more power.
 
Originally posted by: OILFIELDTRASH
Why not get the i5 for $159 @ MC?
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I don't know about him, but I don't have one of those within hundreds of miles.....

I wish.
 
Originally posted by: Scoop
Don't know why you insist on that Zalman heatsink when there are better options available.
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I don't insist. I just picked one that didn't look like junk on Newegg. Any suggestions?
 
Originally posted by: Markfw900
I don't know about him, but I don't have one of those within hundreds of miles.....

I wish.
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Nor do I. We were going stop while travelling out of state.
 
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