Which lightly used small SUV / Crossover is for me?

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Mini-SUV / Crossover, under 20,000 miles / $16,000

I've never owned an SUV or crossover before, but I'd like to try one for my next car. I rarely go over 5000 miles per year, so fuel efficiency isn't that big of a deal as long as we can stay over 20 mpg city.

Criteria (in this order):

Reliability - Top Priority - I want to own it for years while having to do little maintenance because I'm very lazy and cheap. A trouble free vehicle is paramount.

Cargo Capacity - I might want to haul something now and then like the used treadmill my wife found on Craig's List. 55 - 70 cubic feet with the rear seats down would be nice. It would also be good if the front passenger seat folded down in case I wanted to haul a kayak or some such.

Winter Driving - Sometimes we can get a lot of snow in North Dakota and the vehicle needs to be one that's good at starting up in the cold, but my usage is pretty much restricted to city driving.

Comfortable Ride - I don't need a fast sporty vehicle and I'm not a fan of bumpy rides, though good handling would be nice.

Budget - $16,000, could stretch to $18,000 and maybe 30,000 miles if I'm smitten with something and think it's a good value. I suppose that acceptable mileage is relative to price and amenities and how much I like the model, but I'd very much prefer to get a nearly new vehicle with under 20,000 miles if possible and under 10,000 would be fantastic.

Possible Contenders that might realistically be found in budget (cargo w/ seats down in parenthesis) I don't want any part of Jeep/Dodge/Chrysler/Mitsubishi since they don't meet the reliability criteria.

  • Kia Sportage (54 ft3)
  • Kia Sorento (72 ft3)
  • Hyundai Tucson (55 ft3)
  • Hyundai Santa Fe / Sport (80 / 74 ft3)
  • Toyota Venza (70 ft3)
  • Toyota Rav4 (73 ft3) - probably out of budget
  • Honda CR-V (70 ft3) - probably out of budget
  • Mazda CX-5 (65 ft3)
  • Nissan Rogue (57 ft3) (2013 and older)
  • Nissan Rogue (70 ft3) (2014 and newer)
  • Chevy Trax (48 ft3)
  • Chevy Captiva (56 ft3)
  • Chevy Equinox (63 ft3)
  • Buick Encore (48 ft3)
  • Ford Escape (68 ft3)
  • VW Tiguan (56 ft3) (Reliability / Cost of repair?)
I've seen the most listings that meet the budget / mileage criteria for: Kia Sportage, Kia Sorento, Ford Escape, Chevy Capitva, Chevy Equinox, Chevy Trax, Nissan Rogue - What do you think of these vehicles?

I'm feeling a little smitten with a fully loaded 2015 Chevy Captiva I found with under 20,000 miles listed for $14k (moonroof / heated seats / backup camera, etc.) being sold by a small local used car dealership in a rural area about 200 miles away. What are reasons for and reasons not to buy it? Is it probable that it was a rental car? Are Capitvas generally reliable? Since it's sold more abroad than domestically, would parts and repairs be unusually expensive? I used to regard Chevys as being junk. Has the build quality changed in the past decade?

Apparently two dealers in the Twin Cities are listing brand new 2016 Chevy Trax LS for about $16,000. Interesting. (Of course, they could just be jerking around with incentives that few people are qualified for.) Same dealer also has a 2016 Buick Encore new for $18,000.

Oh, here's a link to a Cars.com search that covers those models and criteria with in a range I'm willing to shop. I don't think I'm interested in cars with rebuilt titles (see Eastside Auto):

https://www.cars.com/for-sale/searc...rMx=16000&mlgId=28867&zc=58103&akamai-feo=off
 
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NutBucket

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The Captiva was mainly for fleets as it is a rebadged Saturn Vue (once Saturn closed up shop). There's nothing wrong with it aside from being an older platform. Given your price/mileage requirements Toyota and Honda are out. Equinox, Terrain and Escape may be your best bets but I would avoid any model with the Powershift transmission. Seems like there are lots of complaints about how it drives. I haven't seen much about reliability.
 

Yuriman

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Toyota and Honda are historically the most reliable, so they hold their value. You generally get what you pay for.
 

Yuriman

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These might be useful:

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Frankly I'm shocked to see Jeeps so high up.
 
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MadScientist

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Purchased a used Ford 2014 Escape SE in 2014, 2.0L turbo, with 9K miles on it for 19K OTD. It now has 45K on it and has been very reliable, only routine maintenance. It's your call but I would not consider the basic Escape S model. Toyota and Honda have better reliability ratings than Ford and higher resale values, but that makes their used models more expensive.
 
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Demo24

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It's not on the long term lists there, probably because those appear a bit old, but I'd also feel confident in the Mazda cx5. It's always been well reviewed and overall is quite a nice package. If you can get a 2016 model that would be ideal as they upped some standard features and added in sound deadening.

Otherwise yes, crv and rav4 will be reliable. Heck now that the new crv is out, you might could even get a brand new previous model (2016), for right about your price.
 
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Heck now that the new crv is out, you might could even get a brand new previous model (2016), for right about your price.

I wish, I can barely find them with under 30,000 miles for under $18,000. The only really new cute utes in a 500 mile radius selling for under $18k are 2016 Chevy Trax LS and LT (LT can be had for under $16,000, advertised "price" anyway) and maybe a 2016 Ford Escape here and there. Oh, and there's one dealer that has a new 2016 Buick Encore that he's claiming he's selling for $18k.

2016 Chevy Trax LT for $15,035: https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/679859728/overview/
 
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NutBucket

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$16k for an Escape is really low, even for a loss leader. The Trax is pretty tiny. IMHO makes a good city car but not sure I'd enjoy extended jaunts on the open highway.

Heck, I'd call our Forester adequate when it comes to highway comfort. Let's face it, when it comes to cruising weight and size are benefits.
 

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Here's an interesting one. 2017 Ford Escape SE for $16,000 (plus tax, title, license, destination)

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/692432327/overview/

Can't tell if this dealer is jerking people around or what since the price isn't listed at the website:

https://www.northcountryford.com/new/Ford/2017-Ford-Escape-f830a10c0a0e0a6b1c382ff822506b07.htm

$16K for a new 2017 Escape SE :rolleyes: Edmunds TMV price for a basic 2017 red Escape SE, 1.5l turbo, for that zip is $21.5K before tax, title, and doc fees. https://www.edmunds.com/ford/escape/2017/st-401628717/options/?legacy=true&zip=55433#step2
 
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NutBucket

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I'm not sure you'll find what you're after given the price/mileage requirements. Depreciation on high-demand models just isn't there. Around LA $20k gets you a 2-4 year old CR-V with around the miles you're after. At that rate, it makes a lot of sense to spend an extra 10-15% and buy new.
 

cyclistca

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I'm surprised how few responses I've gotten. I guess no one wants to shoot the shit over cute utes?

Now that we are parents we are thinking of exchanging one of our cars for a compact ute. We are look at a the 2017 CRV, Escape, Forester and the CX5. Keeping an eye on this thread.
 

Dr. Detroit

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I'm gonna suggest the Ford Transit Connect from 2014+. Titanium comes with heated leather seats and you can find one with the heated front windshield for cold weather.

It is built on the Ford Escape/Focus platform and comes with the very reliable 2.5l 4-cyl and a 6spd auto.

I'd also suggest a Dodge Grand Caravan - while you might not like Chrysler the Caravan is bulletproof. Great 3.6L Pentastar engine. You should be able to find one brand new for $16K or 1yr old.

If you must have a tall station wagon. Buy the CRV. Seriously, its really good. Largest cargo, best fuel economy and no repairs wile holding its resale value.

Cars no longer sell, SUV's sell so they are priced at a premium. Don't be a afraid to shop 1,000 miles out in large metro areas and fly and drive it home. I like AutoTrader.com for pricing. Also check out CarMax.
 

MadScientist

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Here's an interesting one. 2017 Ford Escape SE for $16,000 (plus tax, title, license, destination)

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/692432327/overview/

Can't tell if this dealer is jerking people around or what since the price isn't listed at the website:

https://www.northcountryford.com/new/Ford/2017-Ford-Escape-f830a10c0a0e0a6b1c382ff822506b07.htm

I posted your links on the Ford Escape forum site. Here's the responses: http://www.fordescape.org/forum/ford-escape-dealers-pricing/84618-new-2017-se-$16k.html

So if I were you I would check this out but beware of the "bait-n-talk-up".
 
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I read what the folks had to say at that Escape website. Very interesting. Poster "centex" seemed to really know what he was talking about. Damn, I wish I could learn to figure out stuff like that. Thanks, MadScientist.
 

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I don't want any part of ... Mitsubishi since they don't meet the reliability criteria.

The Mitsubishi Outlander Sport is one of the most reliable CUVs on the market according to Consumer Reports. Its was their most reliable in 2014 and the drivetrain hasn't changed. I bought two 2010 Lancer Sportbacks with the same 2.4 and CVT and I haven't had either one of them in for a warranty repair. They've been the most reliable new vehicles I've ever owned (which include Mazda, Toyota and Ford). That said they're less refined than the competition, but are cheaper (that's why I bought my two).

Sounds like you're shopping in the Twin Cities. Here's a brand new 2016 with a five speed for 15.5K and a 2017 for 17K. Five year bumper to bumper warranty and 10/100K power train.

http://www.richfieldbloomingtonmits...er+Sport-8960ec680a0e0ae8307c0e3553739df7.htm
http://www.richfieldbloomingtonmits...er+Sport-7be2954c0a0e0ae717548d63cee66670.htm
 
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I chatted with a guy at that dealership. He said he thinks the Cars.com people have been known to get the prices wrong sometimes and that the price is $19,499. I guess the reason it's cheaper than normal is that it was a courtesy vehicle.

Just confirmed $19,499 Cars.com is a 3rd party vendor that unfortunately has been know to get things wrong...That is because we used it as a courtesy vehicle for our service customers. It will have 2,000 miles on it.
 
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The Mitsubishi Outlander Sport is one of the most reliable CUVs on the market according to Consumer Reports

I know, but I suppose there's a reason why they are cheaper. That brand just scares the beejeezus out of me and who knows how long Mitsubishi will even continue operating in the United States. I guess I've never thought of Mitsubishi as having good build quality and long term reliability.
 

lxskllr

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I think your mileage requirements are unnecessary. At 5k/yr, and a 200k expected life, a car with 20k starting will last you 36 years(LoL!). Good luck finding parts at eol. Course if you pick well, you might actually have an investment on your hands, and you'll make money due to the desirability of the antique you're holding :^D

I'd raise your mileage limit, and don't over think things. Used it up, and when it's done, pat it on the hood, tell it it was a good truck, and send it off to the junk yard. With your usage pattern, just about anything will work.
 
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Well...yeah...but I'm just concerned that as the mileage increases on a used vehicle, so does the probability that it has issues. Also, the miles from 100k - 200k aren't always the best, being full of costly repairs as the vehicle is dying.

Maybe I just need to re-calibrate my thinking from an 80's mindset where cars were dead at 100,000 miles.
 

lxskllr

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If reliability were my primary concern, I'd pick the toyota or honda I liked best, then raise the mileage til my chosen price point was reached. Any decent car will hit 100k with virtually zero non-trivial repairs, and 200k with no more than moderate repairs.

As always ymmv since these are complex systems, and sometimes you just get unlucky. Turds roll off the line, and some vehicles last forever. Hard to say which you have til you've had it awhile.